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View Poll Results: Year/model of the car the failure happened
04 STI 30 10.95%
05 STI 17 6.20%
06 STI 81 29.56%
07 STI 20 7.30%
08 STI 10 3.65%
05 LGT 4 1.46%
06 LGT 8 2.92%
07 LGT 3 1.09%
08 LGT 0 0%
02-05 WRX 54 19.71%
06 WRX 17 6.20%
07 WRX 11 4.01%
08 WRX 8 2.92%
04-08 FXT 11 4.01%
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:09 PM   #1
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Default oil pickup tube failure thread

There are tons of reports of these failures in several threads here and on other forums, but it is not quite clear how many failures exactly have been reported.

VOTE ONLY IF THE OIL PICKUP TUBE FAILED! This is the tube inside the oil pan.
If you do not understand this DO NOT VOTE. Some people voted who had oil supply line break and leak.

Please vote in the poll ONLY if you had the failure (or if you know someone who is not nasioc member who did). Please also post and include:

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- mileage when the failure happened
- extent of the damage
- whether Subaru handled it under warranty
- any power mods (that Subaru did/could blame the failure on)

Btw, while you are it, I suggest you report the failure to NHTSA, as such a failure is potentially a safety issue as well. Link: https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:01 PM   #2
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Excellent idea. Thanks!
Please post more data as requested in post #1.
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Old 07-09-2008, 08:04 PM   #3
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I voted for someone I knew. I know 3 others. Too bad cant multi vote.
Please post all info you have, if they are not a nasioc members.

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Old 07-09-2008, 08:12 PM   #4
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Scary stuff. Thanks for sharing the info.

So wait a second, it is 6 total, if I read your post correctly?

2 as a tech
3 others covered
1 other not covered

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Old 07-09-2008, 08:18 PM   #5
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^Yup. Unfortunately there is no pattern with it...
I think there is not much pattern except earlier design of tube (04-05 cars) failes at higher miles, than the newer "improved" () design (06+).

Any chance you can break apart these 6 failures among 04/05/06 STIs? (just for statistical purposes)
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:07 PM   #6
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06 STi

about 56k

spun rod bearings, new engine rebuild

Subaru did not cover it.

other then exhaust, intake, bigger fuel injectors, nothing really
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Old 07-09-2008, 09:39 PM   #7
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06 LGT 37,800 miles no mods, Subaru says my engine is fine no damage, they are blowing smoke up my tail pipe. I lost power & gas mileage, i will have to drop the pan & inspect the damage oil was sent to dyson labs waiting to here back from them.
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Subscribed I want to keep track of this. SOA "NEEDS" to issue a recall.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:02 AM   #9
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Subscribed I want to keep track of this. SOA "NEEDS" to issue a recall.
yea.. me too
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Old 07-10-2008, 03:33 PM   #10
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Subscribed I want to keep track of this. SOA "NEEDS" to issue a recall.
So far 4 failures....go recall...
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So far 4 failures....go recall...
Just because only four owners with failures have responded to the poll (in the first day) of this thread does not reduce the seriousness of the design/manufacturing flaw! I've been reading about the failures for over a year and there have been numerous accounts over different forums and all models that use the 2.5 turbo. So, say this flaw, affects someone whom is out of their powertrain warranty, why should that particular owner be stuck with the cost of a rebuilt/replacement motor. Especially for something that should not fail for the life of the motor. It's a defect and should be addressed by SOA!
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yeah i agree.. not everyone that owns a suby is on these forums ethier. i've been hearing about this oil line failure for a long time..
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Old 07-10-2008, 05:25 PM   #13
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So far 4 failures....go recall...
Opie, it's 7 total in this thread (within ONE day). I can easily go myself thru nasioc and iwsti and find another 20.

Since not everybody who owns an STI or LGT is on this board, I can easily speculate that if we have say ~30 reported cases, there is like 4-5 times as much of them.

And that's probably very conservative estimate. Again, 1-3 freak cases total (out of each maybe 1 would be reported here) - yeah, nothing to worry about. A couple of hundreds? Clearly a common problem that should be addressed be Subaru.

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4 according to the poll.. but yeah whatever.. SOA needs to address it.
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4 according to the poll.. but yeah whatever.. SOA needs to address it.
Actually eight now. I added the non-members cars WJM reported in the first post.
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Actually eight now. I added the non-members cars WJM reported in the first post.
Which cannot be confirmed nor denied.

Let me know when you have reached 100+ CONFIRMED failures that did not have any outside influences and then you can start using the term "widespread"
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2000+ views and 4 confirmed failures.
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I can confirm with 100% the 3 06 STi's that had the failure. Period.
That's half of your claimed failures which leaves a pretty big gap.
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And for the record, the 02-05 WRX and the 04-05 (and possible the 06-08) FXT have a completely different design, however the OP left out the 07+ Legacy/Outback and 08+ Impreza (possible earlier as well on the Legacy) that use the same parts, so there is that as well.
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So, say this flaw, affects someone whom is out of their powertrain warranty, why should that particular owner be stuck with the cost of a rebuilt/replacement motor. Especially for something that should not fail for the life of the motor. It's a defect and should be addressed by SOA!

Have you ever read about the Dodge Caravan transmissions that 'convienently' fail once the vehicle's warranty has expired? Or what about the PT Cruisers...same transmission issue. You don't see Chrysler issuing a recall...

That's because a recall isn't put into place just to cover a consumer who has a failure and their car is out of the manufacturer's warranty. A recall is issued when there is a safety defect that can injure, mame or kill someone. Yeah, this may cause a vehicle to die out...but so what...running out of gas can do the same thing.

If you want a recall issued to cover people that fall outside of the warranty perameters, then you will be out of luck. Prove this is a safety hazzard and go thru the proper channels and you might have a chance.

If you want an issue like this covered outside of the regular warranty, buy an extended warranty. If Subaru were to issue a recall about this just to cover people outside of warranty, the hell, why not recall the entire car? There are alot more items on a vehicle that shouldn't fail for the life of the car, and do. That's what warranties or for, not recalls.

Subaru has issued recalls and campaigns and customer satisfaction campaigns over things alot smaller than this, so don't say that Subaru is greedy and doesn't care about the consumer. Instead of complaining to a forum, complain to people that can do something about it.
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Have you ever read about the Dodge Caravan transmissions that 'convienently' fail once the vehicle's warranty has expired? Or what about the PT Cruisers...same transmission issue. You don't see Chrysler issuing a recall...

That's because a recall isn't put into place just to cover a consumer who has a failure and their car is out of the manufacturer's warranty. A recall is issued when there is a safety defect that can injure, mame or kill someone. Yeah, this may cause a vehicle to die out...but so what...running out of gas can do the same thing.

If you want a recall issued to cover people that fall outside of the warranty perameters, then you will be out of luck. Prove this is a safety hazzard and go thru the proper channels and you might have a chance.

If you want an issue like this covered outside of the regular warranty, buy an extended warranty. If Subaru were to issue a recall about this just to cover people outside of warranty, the hell, why not recall the entire car? There are alot more items on a vehicle that shouldn't fail for the life of the car, and do. That's what warranties or for, not recalls.

Subaru has issued recalls and campaigns and customer satisfaction campaigns over things alot smaller than this, so don't say that Subaru is greedy and doesn't care about the consumer. Instead of complaining to a forum, complain to people that can do something about it.
Ms. RexyGirl. Two comments:

1. This s a catastrophic failure that takes entire engine and turbo. Not some "oh we are stranded" type of failure. Big $$$$ and big aggravation.

2. SOA has been reported to deny warranty work for this failure WITHIN warranty due to abuse or mods

This is such a fundamental issue that has no place in modern vehicles, that until SOA does something it I'll be proactively talking out people from buying new turbo Subarus.

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Ms. RexyGirl. Two comments:

1. This s a catastrophic failure that takes entire engine and turbo. Not some "oh we are stranded" type of failure. Big $$$$ and big aggravation.

2. SOA has been reported to deny this failure WITHIN warranty due to abuse or mods

This is such a fundamental issue that has no place in modern vehicles, that until SOA does something it I'll be proactively taking out people from buying new turbo Subarus.
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Have YOU personally had a failure?
No. And do not plan to by trying to be proactive and prevent it.

By the way. I had the car at the dealer and since the oil pan was out for other reasons I asked to have the oil pickup tube inspected. Strangely enough, despite it was not cracked dealer replaced it under warranty, but with the same part # (luckily the 04-05 one, which lasts longer than the 06+). Very unusual to have something warrantied when not broke, isn't it?

I don't wish any bad things to anyone, but I'd laugh if you had the tube crack on your 07 LGT. Remember it has the 110 revised part, which is known to crack soon I am sure you would change your song then.
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Ok, so I browsed thru the threads here and related forums. 23 failures reported by owners. Another 18+ reported by non-owners. These do not include WJM reports. 2 of the owners listed below already voted.

Failures reported by owners:

fastwrx, 04 STI - TWICE!!, second failure on 06 STI pickup
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&postcount=45
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=134

Eastoast06STI, 06 STI, TWICE!!!
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1847562-post34.html

Obsidian, 04 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...89&postcount=1

morgang900, 04 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1&postcount=18

Moomba, 04 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...17&postcount=8

orion421, 04 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...8&postcount=95

troyhunt, 06 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=105

busygettingthere, 04 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=168

Kevin03045, 06 LGT
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=175

GM_Zero, 04 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&postcount=69

andyhsti, 06 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...87&postcount=1

pirotlord, 06 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2&postcount=31

I<3subie, 06 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...7&postcount=42

CBR50, 06 STI
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1681012-post1.html

ruinous, 06 STi
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1681081-post2.html

mikenj, 06 LGT
http://legacygt.com/forums/showpost....8&postcount=15

blurred, 06 STI
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1767069-post32.html

mofoSTI, 04 STI
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1847619-post35.html

Rick G, 00 2.5RS (<-interesting)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=213

FleaDog, 06 STI
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1859593-post16.html

OBPSTI, 07 STI
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1767186-post160.html


Failures reported by non-owners:


LittleBlueGT, unknown year STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...61&postcount=9

Got Boost?, 06 STI
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...8&postcount=51

Kostamojen, unknown car
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...5&postcount=79

Drifiting STI, unknown car
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0&postcount=78

Sudafed, unknown car
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...4&postcount=87

CGM/WRX, 2 failures (both 07 STI)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=163

06WHTWRX, 6 failures (unkown year STIs)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&postcount=169

porkchop, "few" failurs (06+ Imprezas?)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...9&postcount=18

Icculus, an STI
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/1681111-post4.html

Al from jerz, 06 STI (unconfirmed it was the tube)
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/engine-p...n-bearing.html

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No. And do not plan to by trying to be proactive and prevent it.

By the way. I had the car at the dealer and since the oil pan was out for other reasons I asked to have the oil pickup tube inspected. Strangely enough, despite it was not cracked dealer replaced it under warranty, but with the same part # (luckily the 04-05 one, which lasts longer than the 06+). Very unusual to have something warrantied when not broke, isn't it?

I don't wish any bad things to anyone, but I'd laugh if you had the tube crack on your 07 LGT. Remember it has the 110 revised part, which is known to crack soon I am sure you would change your song then.
On the extreme off chance that the pick up tube breaks on my wifes 07 Legacy 2.5i then it will likely get replaced under warranty, no mods and dealer maintained. Besides, I'm not concerned at all considering how many cars are on the road with that same part that has NOT failed.

Odd that the first two cars that I randomly clicked on in your links have had the engine mounts replaced with upgraded mounts and to get the mounts out people typically the jack the engine up by the oil pan, but I highly doubt that had anything to do with it
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