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Old 07-19-2008, 04:59 PM   #1
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Question Hate to ask; HID Q's....

So a buddy of mine has an extra set of ballasts and bulbs from his Audi A4 install. Somehow he got an extra set for no cost through the mail. Anyways, he's going to sell them to me for cheap.

Here's the specs quickly:

Hella HID VVME - L35K

35 Watt bulbs
Voltage in 9-16
Max in 10 Amp
5K bulbs.

My questions are hopefully simple:

1.) Will this work with my system (35 watts I mean)
2.) I have the stock Projector Lenses. I read in the FAQ this might be an issue. I am currently running Silverstar (forget if they are 3800 or 4300 output) lowbeam bulbs. Would the increase to 5k really be an issue?

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Old 07-19-2008, 07:38 PM   #2
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I'm assuming that what you are getting is a set of OEM HID's consisting of D2S bulbs and ballasts. The following is based on that assumption-
Since you have an 06, which has H7-based projector low beams, you can use the OEM HID setup by getting a set of adapter rings for the D2S bulbs. The rings will allow the D2S's to sit properly in the H7 mount. Then, depending on the configuration of the D2 connectors on the ballast output cables as well as that of your lights, you might have to do some modifications to allow enough clearance for the connectors to go on the bulbs.
If the bulbs aren't D2S, then it depends on what the fitment is for the A4. If it's also H7 then it will work, otherwise no.
The 5K rating is close enough to 4300K to not be an issue.
Either way your results may be decent but won't be as good as a full retrofit with true HID projectors.
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:02 PM   #3
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Well, I can get the ballasts on their own and grab the appropriate bulb which is what I might do. The bulbs currently with the kit don't have the same 'prongs' that the stock H7 bulbs have. So I'd need to order that. As for the harness going into the actual Ballast, I might need to retrofit something, but that isn't hard to do.
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Old 07-19-2008, 10:12 PM   #4
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So it's an aftermarket kit? If so then you would need the proper bulbs in H7 form factor to plug into it. If that's not what you're getting I'd say don't bother. Searching around for replacement parts for those kits is often a fruitless exercise. As for fabricating your own harnesses, if it's the 12V input to the ballast that's one thing, but for the output to the bulbs you don't want to mess with that. The ballast output is in the kV (kilovolt) range and the normal wiring techniques you'd use on 12V stuff are not adequate or safe.
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Ok Mulder, he brought the other kit in (6k) and it plugged all in and worked in less than 2 minutes. It looks the right hue that I was looking for too, so I'm pleased about that (Looks like a stock system, not that retarded blue or purple, just a light white/blue hue; I refer to it as 'classy' looking :lol ) I am going to go ahead and grab it since it is only $100 for the ballasts and 4 bulbs. A mistake?
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Old 07-26-2008, 02:42 PM   #6
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be sure to make the whole system weather-sealed, hid are far more sensitive to moisture and whatnot than halogen.

i'd either:

1. not harm the lights in any way so that if these kit components fail(as they often do) you can go back to halogen and forget it

2. make sure these components are d2s and replace your lights with STI projectors which are optically designed for HID.

the fact that you don't know what the bulbs are and only care about the color of the light is a really bad sign. you said these were for your friend's audi, did his audi come from the factory with hids or with halogens? i'm assuming he had h7 because you need to modify d2s to fit in h7 and use a retaining plate anyway.

if they're not h7 bases, and even if they are, there's a very good chance they are not optimally positioned in the projector bowl. even a loose fitting halogen bulb will hotspot and throw light in the wrong area, not to mention a light source that the optics were not designed for.

i know you "hate to ask" but the reason mulder's the only one giving you answers is that most people hate to answer when all of the information is already in the FAQ thread.
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Old 07-26-2008, 08:19 PM   #7
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be sure to make the whole system weather-sealed, hid are far more sensitive to moisture and whatnot than halogen.

i'd either:

1. not harm the lights in any way so that if these kit components fail(as they often do) you can go back to halogen and forget it

2. make sure these components are d2s and replace your lights with STI projectors which are optically designed for HID.

the fact that you don't know what the bulbs are and only care about the color of the light is a really bad sign. you said these were for your friend's audi, did his audi come from the factory with hids or with halogens? i'm assuming he had h7 because you need to modify d2s to fit in h7 and use a retaining plate anyway.

if they're not h7 bases, and even if they are, there's a very good chance they are not optimally positioned in the projector bowl. even a loose fitting halogen bulb will hotspot and throw light in the wrong area, not to mention a light source that the optics were not designed for.

i know you "hate to ask" but the reason mulder's the only one giving you answers is that most people hate to answer when all of the information is already in the FAQ thread.
...which I already STATED I read I was asking advice per the specs of the unit, not on the HID as a whole. I understand the concept of the glare, Halogen projectors Vs. HID factory, etc...

The system is plug and play H7. I already test fitted the Ballast and bulb in my housing. I will use black silicone to seal the 2 small holes I will need to make for this setup. The bulb is 6k, so white witha hint of blue, but that doesn't matter in the long run as the higher you go, the less light. It's just a frequency of the wavelength the energy being emitted comes in. I admittedly do not understand the difference of the D2S and H7? As far as I have done, it will fit fine in my housing.

Maybe Mulder is answering because he's also being nice and helping with some info he has, such as what is the usual for forums, FAQ/Sticky or not.

My particular low beams are held in position by a clip arrangement, such as what holds the airbox down but larger and made of wire vs. a solid piece of bent metal. I will measure out my current projection on halogens on a garage door at 20 feet, install the units, and measure the increase in glare based on the halogen measurements.

~Levi

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Ok, so i got the kit in for the most part. Everything is run, I have the bulbs in and I have the lights working. I didn't have proper light to properly mount the ballasts and adjust the headlights themselves. So far:

1.) There is no hotspotting, the stock halogen projectors are doing abnormally well. I was expecting some issues with the aiming of the projectors as has been mentioned, but the light cut-off for low beam is the same as the halogen. I pulled it into a garage bay and there was no random refraction.

2.) The driver side low beam is actually a tad bit too LOW. At 30 feet, the top cut-off point is probably a foot or a bit more lower than the passenger side, it annoys me while driving down the road. I need to figure out how to adjust it.

3.) Light is definitely brighter, a bit more blue than I wanted though. I might order some 5.5K's or 5k's instead, but for now they will do. They do the job quite well though.

4.) Now I need to get ricer coated bulbs for the fog lights to match

5.) I'm new to HID, is it normal for the HID to stay on when the high beams are on? Or do they take longer to shut down?

Thanks for the help too

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Ok, so i got the kit in for the most part. Everything is run, I have the bulbs in and I have the lights working. I didn't have proper light to properly mount the ballasts and adjust the headlights themselves. So far:

1.) There is no hotspotting, the stock halogen projectors are doing abnormally well. I was expecting some issues with the aiming of the projectors as has been mentioned, but the light cut-off for low beam is the same as the halogen. I pulled it into a garage bay and there was no random refraction.

Is there a difference in your housing versus the STI housing? The reason I ask is because the Saabaru that I have has no difference if you got HID's or halogens. People swap aftermarket kits in all the time with great results.

2.) The driver side low beam is actually a tad bit too LOW. At 30 feet, the top cut-off point is probably a foot or a bit more lower than the passenger side, it annoys me while driving down the road. I need to figure out how to adjust it.

The driver's side sits lower to prevent blinding on-coming vehicles. My wife's Mini and my Saabaru are both like this. The Mini has projectors so it's a lot more noticeable on her car versus mine.

3.) Light is definitely brighter, a bit more blue than I wanted though. I might order some 5.5K's or 5k's instead, but for now they will do. They do the job quite well though.

Replacement bulbs (last I checked) will run you almost as much as a full retrofit kit.

4.) Now I need to get ricer coated bulbs for the fog lights to match

Go yellow or go home: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/H3-Luminics-JDM-Yellow-Headlight-Bulbs-HID-Xenon_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36476QQihZ025QQit emZ380049517124QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

5.) I'm new to HID, is it normal for the HID to stay on when the high beams are on? Or do they take longer to shut down?

You have seperate bulbs for your high/low beams correct? I can't think of a car that turns the low beams off when the highs go on.

Thanks for the help too

~Levi

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Other than that, looks good.
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I don't know about the difference in housings, I believe the difference between them is the actual projection lense. My lense has a 'ripple' built into it...imagine an apple that has been peeled on one of those old-school spin peelers...something like that. My buddy with real HID projectors, his is polished flat, no imperfections. I believe the ripple is to scatter the halogen lighting further since it lacks the power of a HID setup.

As for bulbs, I want to replace the Fogs and the daytime running bulb with a similar hue of Blue to go with the HID theme

I think the 5.5K bulbs which I would get as my next set go for $45 shipped special order, the 5K go for $30 shipped.
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Visit the Daniel Stern Lighting website for all the information you'll ever want to know about using HID bulbs in housings designed for halogen. Some good information, it's not just a case of "will the bulbs fit or not."

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...s/Hid/HID.html
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I don't know about the difference in housings, I believe the difference between them is the actual projection lense. My lense has a 'ripple' built into it...imagine an apple that has been peeled on one of those old-school spin peelers...something like that. My buddy with real HID projectors, his is polished flat, no imperfections. I believe the ripple is to scatter the halogen lighting further since it lacks the power of a HID setup.
The "ripple" you see in your projector lenses is because they are Fresnel type lenses. A lot of newer cars that are equipped with projector headlights are being installed with these kinds of lenses for their projectors because it reduces the "flicker" they produce to oncoming traffic (for example, the newer TSX projectors are now Fresnel style).

But anyways, why is it that in all of your pictures you posted, the passenger side headlight looks way more blue than the other headlight? Did your camera do this?
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I don't know about the difference in housings, I believe the difference between them is the actual projection lense. My lense has a 'ripple' built into it...imagine an apple that has been peeled on one of those old-school spin peelers...something like that. My buddy with real HID projectors, his is polished flat, no imperfections. I believe the ripple is to scatter the halogen lighting further since it lacks the power of a HID setup.

As for bulbs, I want to replace the Fogs and the daytime running bulb with a similar hue of Blue to go with the HID theme

I think the 5.5K bulbs which I would get as my next set go for $45 shipped special order, the 5K go for $30 shipped.
or maybe you can order the vvme 6k , it is really blueish......

anyhow, i am curious, why your left headlights seems more blue than your right bulbs....both of them are vvme 5k hid bulbs.....
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