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Old 07-20-2008, 12:31 AM   #1
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sooo lets starts with what i have

'06 Saab 92x Aero Wagon (same as '06 WRX Wagon)

-Prodrive PFF7 18x8 +51
-225/40/18 Tires
-Newly installed Bilstein PSS9 Coilovers

i decided to install my freshly purchased Bilstein PSS9 Coilovers to replace my KYB AGX w/COBB Springs combo on my '06 wagon.

thinking, this was going to be a trouble-free install... (which it never is.. SOMETHING always comes up right? ) .. i hit a snag here and there.. a bolt was stuck and i ended up using a spare STi midpipe i had laying around.. as a breaker bar ..but that aside... everything went as planned... 2.5hours later... (yeah i know... i didnt get that midpipe breaker bar idea immediately), i slapped on my wheels and cleaned up... went inside.

10 min later... i go out for a test drive.. and as soon as i start moving.. i hear a rubbing sound... so im like wtf

i get out and check... and turns out the big adjustment ring is rubbing against my tire...

so im thinking.. wtf!! i didnt have ANY problems when i had the KYB AGXs... and i thought w/coilovers you could fit wider wheels at that!

soo its like 930.. .everythings closed... i rush over to Home Depot and pick up some washers as they're closing... head back home... take off the wheels.. use the washers i bought as spacers (for now til i can get a wheel spacer) and it's still rubbing.

to live with it for now.. i had to adjust the height as high as it could go to clear the wheel and use 2 washers to space it out just enough that tehres literally like a penny's worth of space between that adjuster ring and the tire while maintaining enough thread on the studs to feel safe

test drove it again.. and its good for now

soo basically long story short (too late).. what can i do with this now. and this is only the rear's mind you!

i havent even done the fronts yet bc im waiting on Cusco camber plates.



soo my options im thinking my options are as follows

-get 5x100 Wheel spacers.. probably 15mm
-get new wheels
-ARP extended studs? do i need them when i get the 15mm spacers? it seems like i do because there's reallie not that much thread on the stock studs.. and how hard is it to change the studs?

its ironic too.. just a few days ago.. i heard someone say.. the biggest wheel you could fit on a wagon is 7.5 width... here im thinking.. i have 18x8!!

...and now this shiet bites me in teh ass..

hubris i guess.

and i wanted to go much lower than what it was.. so im in a real bind now.

most likely..whats gonna happen is ill get wheel spacers and extended studs... i just dont know if it's worth it . i mean.. i love my wheels... they're in amazing condition and they're raresauce!

i feel like.. it just makes sense to get wheels that fit but sheesh...

frickin coilovers.. i dont wanna get rid of them either!!

im in a bind right now.. and could use some advice...

appreciate it guys!
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:52 AM   #2
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Don't know if your coilovers are like mine, but I had the same problem. The rear wheels were rubbing on the coilovers. The rear upper bolt holes (on the coilover) were oblong to allow for camber adjustment. All I had to do was loosen the top bolt and pull the kunckle out and then re-tighten the bolt. Hope that helps.
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:05 AM   #3
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hmmm.. i wonder if that would work...

does that mean your wheels (looking at them from the back)... look like this: " \ . / " ?
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Old 07-20-2008, 04:37 AM   #4
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how bad is it to extend lugs? i have an 8mm spacer already but i need 4mm more to clear my coilover...

i'm cool. no adjustable camber. . . i sit like this / . \
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Old 07-20-2008, 09:25 AM   #5
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hmmm.. i wonder if that would work...

does that mean your wheels (looking at them from the back)... look like this: " \ . / " ?

No. Before I adjusted the upper bolt they looked like this " / .. \ ". After I adjusted them so they would not rub, I had a alignment done and the shop re-ajusted them for the correct amount of camber.
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Old 07-20-2008, 11:31 AM   #6
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why don't you just get some shorter springs?
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:38 PM   #7
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why don't you just get some shorter springs?
they're coilovers?
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:54 PM   #8
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I had the same problem when I had PSS9's on my '02 Wagon. I ended up selling the PSS9's for something else. I had to run them high enough to clear when I did have them installed.

Options:

1.) Get new wheels with a lower offset.

2.) Wheel spacers.

3.) Don't the PSS9's have helper springs? If so, take the helper springs out and move the perch up. Be care that you have a enough preload. I don't remember if there are enough threads to move the perch up that high.

4.) If the above doesn't work, Maybe try to find some shorter helper springs, or even cut the helper springs (gasp?!). It might give you just the right combination of raising the perch, and still keeping some preload on the springs so you don't unseat the springs under full extension.

5.) Get camber plates, and camber bolts. Run the camber bolts full positive, and use the camber plates to get the negative camber back. This will probably give you a few mm's clearance, but not gauranteed to work.

6.) Get adjustable lateral links, along with the camber plates (and maybe even the camber bolts too), and do the same as above.

7.) Some combination of all of the above.

8.) Sell the PSS9's and get a different coilover.
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Old 07-20-2008, 01:05 PM   #9
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I had the same problem when I had PSS9's on my '02 Wagon. I ended up selling the PSS9's for something else. I had to run them high enough to clear when I did have them installed.

Options:

1.) Get new wheels with a lower offset.

2.) Wheel spacers.

3.) Don't the PSS9's have helper springs? If so, take the helper springs out and move the perch up. Be care that you have a enough preload. I don't remember if there are enough threads to move the perch up that high.

4.) If the above doesn't work, Maybe try to find some shorter helper springs, or even cut the helper springs (gasp?!). It might give you just the right combination of raising the perch, and still keeping some preload on the springs so you don't unseat the springs under full extension.

5.) Get camber plates, and camber bolts. Run the camber bolts full positive, and use the camber plates to get the negative camber back. This will probably give you a few mm's clearance, but not gauranteed to work.

6.) Get adjustable lateral links, along with the camber plates (and maybe even the camber bolts too), and do the same as above.

7.) Some combination of all of the above.

8.) Sell the PSS9's and get a different coilover.
best damn advice ive seen. and basically what ive been waiting/looking for

thanks soo much!!
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what size tires are you running? you might be able to not rub if you stretch them over the wheel more, ie get skinnier tires.
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how bad is it to extend lugs? i have an 8mm spacer already but i need 4mm more to clear my coilover...

i'm cool. no adjustable camber. . . i sit like this / . \
you are too low and/or are using the wrong wheels/tires
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best damn advice ive seen. and basically what ive been waiting/looking for

thanks soo much!!
NP. Let us know what you end up doing.
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they're coilovers?
Dude, I know it's a coilover. With a shorter spring, the adjuster is higher up on the shock body and out of the way of the tire. That's what I did with mine when the tires hit the adjusters. If your running anything over a 235 you should do this anyway for the extra clearance.

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hmm interesting.. i guess ill have to look into that.. thanks! =)
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I had issues on the rear but on a sedan with 50 offset wheels. I was able to clear with 3mm spacers with no extended studs.

My winter wheels are prodrive P7's and 52 offset, I ended up going with 5mm spacers with extended studs and now I'm fine.
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