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Old 04-24-2004, 04:34 PM   #1
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Does anyone know a good place to get toulene in OC area?

I went to ACE & they wanted $12 for a mix Toulell

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Old 04-24-2004, 06:08 PM   #2
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:51 PM   #3
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try the search button

Your command of the obvious is astounding!

I tried that, but I want to look for the best place. Maybe even here from others who use it.

Found xylene at Home depot, but "using the search" I read that it is less reliable than the Toulene.

Found it at ACE hardware, but it was $11.45/gallon

Using the mighty "Search Button" I read that individuals were getting it for like $5.00/gallon at paint supply stores.

I am going to check at a supply store in Fullerton.

All this does not mean I can't look for suggestions from others that are using it and know where to find it.

BTW thanks for the bump
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Old 04-24-2004, 07:57 PM   #4
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Ouch...

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Hmmm....Just does not add up...

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I could have used some of that instead of the Search Nazi's...
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Old 04-24-2004, 09:10 PM   #6
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Old 04-24-2004, 09:47 PM   #8
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Old 04-25-2004, 01:52 AM   #9
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xylene has worked pretty well for us in my bike, supercharged E36 M3, Supra TT, BMW 745i...

you can get xylene at Vista Paint off the 55 and seventeenth street. they sell 1 gal and 5 gal mini-drums of it.

it costs about $6.50/gal.

xylene is about 3-4 octane ratings higher than toluene.

not sure what the exact differrences are, but I figure as long as you use freshly mixed fuel, you'll be fine.

don't forget to add a lubricant of some sort to the mixture to provide some extra lubrication, since the additives will thin out the oil and eat your rubber injector seals if u use too much. (no more than 30% mixture)
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Old 04-25-2004, 02:01 AM   #10
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We've got xylene at work. But then again its a hospital medical lab (for cell/tissue staining).
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Old 04-25-2004, 02:18 AM   #11
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Old 04-25-2004, 03:58 AM   #12
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Old 04-25-2004, 09:24 AM   #13
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xylene has worked pretty well for us in my bike, supercharged E36 M3, Supra TT, BMW 745i...

you can get xylene at Vista Paint off the 55 and seventeenth street. they sell 1 gal and 5 gal mini-drums of it.

it costs about $6.50/gal.

xylene is about 3-4 octane ratings higher than toluene.

not sure what the exact differrences are, but I figure as long as you use freshly mixed fuel, you'll be fine.

don't forget to add a lubricant of some sort to the mixture to provide some extra lubrication, since the additives will thin out the oil and eat your rubber injector seals if u use too much. (no more than 30% mixture)
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What would you recommend, and it what amounts?

I am going to be adding 1 gal of xylene/tank.
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Old 04-25-2004, 01:13 PM   #14
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I'm pretty new to scoobys, but very familiar with cars and stuffs. heh.

when we mix out race gas, we use a 30/70 misture of xylene to 91 octane gasoline along with a few caps of regular ATF.

you can also use marvin's mystery oil (<spell?)

you could use regulat motor oil as a lube, but it thins out too fast so you'd have to add more. using a heavier wt oil like normal ATF would be sufficient.

However, if you're only running less than 10% (1 gal to a 10+ gal of 91 octane) then you don't have to worry about adding any extra lubricants. just make sure you add the xylene before you fill up so the incomming fuel will mix it up for you.


There's some ppl who say that due to xylene and toluene's volitile nature, it will actually evaporate from the gasoline over time, so taking this into consideration, I'm not sure if you should be running the race gas every day. We only use our race gas freshly mixed on track days and dyno pulls.
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Old 04-25-2004, 01:28 PM   #15
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you can use toluene in every tank and not have to add ATF, but it wont hurt anything to use it anyways
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Old 04-25-2004, 01:52 PM   #16
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Old 05-16-2004, 08:58 PM   #17
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i just bought 2 gallons of xylene at the Home Depot in Lake Forest, $9.95/gallon - not sure how much cheaper it is compared with the $4.69/gallon 100 octane gas at the Unocal station on La Paz/Cabot in Laguna Hills, but I figure I'd give it a try.
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Old 05-17-2004, 04:06 PM   #18
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i just bought 2 gallons of xylene at the Home Depot in Lake Forest, $9.95/gallon - not sure how much cheaper it is compared with the $4.69/gallon 100 octane gas at the Unocal station on La Paz/Cabot in Laguna Hills, but I figure I'd give it a try.
Let's see. If we do a little bit of counting, we could see that...

using xylene
(14*91octane + 1*116octane) = 92.7 octane
(14*$2.50 + 1*$10.00) = $45

using 100octane gas
(12*91octane + 3*100) = 92.8 octane
(12*$2.50 + 3*$4.69) = $44.07

It looks like the two are almost identical...except you get a mere 0.1 more octane out of using the pump. This may be wrong since I don't know the exact octane rating of xylene. If the octane of xylene is much higher, then using xylene is a preferred choice for the money you spend.

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Old 05-17-2004, 04:13 PM   #19
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Old 05-17-2004, 04:30 PM   #20
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Let's see. If we do a little bit of counting, we could see that...

using xylene
(14*91octane + 1*116octane) = 92.7 octane
(14*$2.50 + 1*$10.00) = $45

using 100octane gas
(12*91octane + 3*100) = 92.8 octane
(12*$2.50 + 3*$4.69) = $44.07

It looks like the two are almost identical...except you get a mere 0.1 more octane out of using the pump. This may be wrong since I don't know the exact octane rating of xylene. If the octane of xylene is much higher, then using xylene is a preferred choice for the money you spend.

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Toluene is 114 octane, Xylene is 117 octane.

Toluene is vry very hard to find in CA. but xylene is really easy. setup an account at vista paint or sherman williams, and it come out to about $6/gal for xylene.


Also, you can use ARCO 91ocane gas for the mixture since you don't need all the fancy additives.
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Old 05-18-2004, 12:07 PM   #21
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Let's see. If we do a little bit of counting, we could see that...

using xylene
(14*91octane + 1*116octane) = 92.7 octane
(14*$2.50 + 1*$10.00) = $45

using 100octane gas
(12*91octane + 3*100) = 92.8 octane
(12*$2.50 + 3*$4.69) = $44.07

It looks like the two are almost identical...except you get a mere 0.1 more octane out of using the pump. This may be wrong since I don't know the exact octane rating of xylene. If the octane of xylene is much higher, then using xylene is a preferred choice for the money you spend.

Johnnyboy
why don't you just fill up with 100 octane at the pump it's only 20 bucks more and you don't have to mix anything. I do that about once a month. here is a link to the site with the charts for octane mixing.http://76.com/products/76racing.asp#OCTANE

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Old 05-18-2004, 05:57 PM   #22
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I talked to my buddy who is a chemist at UCI and he told me that Xylene and Toluene provide excellent high combustion but it burns very dirty. He is claiming that if you use these two chemicals at a regular basis, it will eventually leave excessive deposits inside the engine chambers and other places(he's not a mechanic). Anyone know of anything like this? My friend is a very bright organic chemist and he knows what he's talking about.
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