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Old 07-23-2008, 08:33 AM   #1
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Default who has phuzion & titan ics headgaset experience?

my regular cometic failed on my last build, gonna be running much boost. any opinions?
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:48 AM   #2
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what was the head and block RA and headstud (or did you use factorybolts) torque procedures on the last build?...

also can you describe the failure? as I doubt the gasket was the issue.
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Old 07-23-2008, 12:56 PM   #3
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50 RA as suggested by Cometic, ARP headstuds, torquing specs recommended by ARP & subaru manual sequence. did i do something wrong? i managed 13,000 miles with a T67 25G @ 25-30 psi before the thing started using coolant.

anyways, any info on either one of the gaskets?
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:18 PM   #4
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arp and subaru have a different spec....that's the main question is who's did you follow?

I've heard great things from the phuzions but have no first hand experience on them.
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Old 07-23-2008, 03:27 PM   #5
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I know Cometic doesn't reccommend backing off in the torquing sequence....so you have issues on whos directions to follow. Since it's the gaskets you're worried about keeping a seal on, I would go by their directions.

I don't know if Cometic has a Fuzion application for the Subies yet, but I can find out.

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Old 07-23-2008, 06:03 PM   #6
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I thought we wanted <20 RA finish?
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Old 07-23-2008, 06:25 PM   #7
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I thought we wanted <20 RA finish?
That's what I said Cosworth wanted in another thread.
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Old 07-23-2008, 07:03 PM   #8
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what i meant by that was ARP's torque amount, and subaru's order

and cometic calls for 50. look on their website right now
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:22 PM   #9
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yes, cometic calls for 50 as a minimum...doesn't mean that its the best. The more pressure you run, the better a sealing surface you should naturally want to have!
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Old 07-24-2008, 02:49 PM   #10
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god, quit hating on me. since i got no help here, i'm going to use cosworth....
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Old 07-24-2008, 03:13 PM   #11
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I don't see any hating in this thread at all.


I had a HG failure using ARP studs and OEM gaskets and did a lot of research on HG failures. Seems that many failures are caused by a poor sealing surface (heads not resurfaced, warped, or RA too rough), or by the head stud installation procedure... and most if not all of the major suby engine builders are using a different install procedure than what ARP recommends.
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Old 07-24-2008, 05:27 PM   #12
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god, quit hating on me. since i got no help here, i'm going to use cosworth....
why are you so turned off to the OEM gaskets?
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:55 PM   #13
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god, quit hating on me. since i got no help here, i'm going to use cosworth....
I think you are confusing input and legitimate questions with hate...

didn't mean to step on any toes...
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:09 PM   #14
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i was just kidding on the hate. just wanted some input on real world head gasket shiz
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:11 PM   #15
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I will help you out if you can afford them buy the ics titans,I haave had great success with them and have a few cars with them makind well over 600whp.If you get on sce's site they will explain the weaknesses of the mls gaskets.I have also talked to ARP and they told me the torque spec(72lbs) they send with the studs is only 75% of the studs yeild so they told me I could increase the maximum torque spec if I wanted to so I run mine up to 85lbs and after I torque it I go back thru and back off everythig and torque it all back down again so the gskt gets prestressed and squished since we cant really retorque it in the car like an evo.
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i was told to recheck the ics's often because they could distort over time
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:25 PM   #17
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What do you mean by distort--the ics gskts have a built in fire ring,sce told me that the gskts would hold to 50psi no problem-- also i would see a gskt with multiple layers more prone to distorting and leaking between the layers.If you look on sce's site you will see a pic of the ics gskts and how they would keep the combustion chamber sealed even if the head started to lift.Its up to you to read the facts and make your decision but true world results speak for themself and I can honestly say that a lot of the so-called experts on the forums have no practical experience just what they read and give advice. I'm just trying to offer you my knowledge and experience in this application to help you make the best choice. good luck,john schroeck pronounced shreck
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ICS Titan ---> nothing for the EJ22T
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did you call or e-mail them they may not list it but may make it .
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Old 07-25-2008, 04:25 AM   #20
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did you call or e-mail them they may not list it but may make it .

I emailed them twice about ej22t gaskets and never got a reply back.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:00 PM   #21
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I don't know if Cometic has a Fuzion application for the Subies yet, but I can find out.

Jay Storm
It seems you can already buy Phuzion gaskets for the EJ257...

Click me for EJ257 Phuzion Gaskets

But the question still remains... which is better ICS Titan or Phuzion???
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Old 07-27-2008, 03:06 PM   #22
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still no answer bump
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I know that the fuzion was developed with alot of input from the R&D on turbo diesel applications at over 60psi.
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