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Old 07-27-2008, 02:58 AM   #1
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Default Damn it, just got a ticket.. What a crappy day!

Lol, looks like it's time to give Jeannie Mucklestone a call. I haven't had a ticket in awhile, I almost want to fight it myself just so I can see the cop again in court. I seriously was super nice the whole time, no attitude or anything, he was a WSP so I was all "Yes Trooper" and "No Trooper" and everything, had all my windows rolled down and my map lights on... despite the cop being a complete dick and when he came over to my car calling me a lot of other **** I didn't feel appropriate. They have video cams inside those cars don't they? Damn I'd like to complain to his boss. Also the very first thing he said was something about YOU DONT DECIDE WHEN I PULL YOU OVER KNUCKLEHEAD, I DECIDE, because when I noticed headlights that looked like crown vic I started slowing down and getting over towards the furthest right lane... lol. Also, he thought he could trap me into admitting guilt by saying, "So, what will it be, 75 or 80?" since he never actually clocked me with radar/laser, he just says he paced me...I just didn't answer cause I wasn't about to admit guilt, lol.
Anyway it's $144 but I'd rather spend the money on Jeannie rather than pay the state a dime!
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Old 07-27-2008, 04:31 AM   #2
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so how fast were you going? lol
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Old 07-27-2008, 04:36 AM   #3
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no faster than anybody else. im totally guilty but it still sucks and I'll beat it anyway.
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:10 AM   #4
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+ 1 for Jeannie Mucklestone..... its practically a gurantee!
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Old 07-27-2008, 10:39 AM   #5
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if the officer was a dick, complain to his supervisor. do the rest of us a favor
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:06 PM   #6
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It's been said almost too many times but + a million for Jeannie..I was in a "similar" situation last month, paced at a "ridiculous" speed in an area not long enough to pace anyone respectfully and then treated like shiz by the officer who pulled me over.. I am always respectful to police officers and always have, and the officer who pulled me over was very rude, literally shouting at me from outside my car.. I went to his superior and complained three or four days later and received an apologetic phone call from the officer a day later.. Also DPhoenix just because you hire Jeannie doesn't mean you cant go to court and watch, I did, and it's fun hearing "dismissed"...
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:23 PM   #7
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if the officer was a dick, complain to his supervisor. do the rest of us a favor
no kidding. i want to wait until the ticket is dismissed though - i want to be as least memorable as possible - and hopefully he barely wrote any notes. jeannie can probably get it dismissed on procedural grounds anyway, but just in case it ever makes it into a courtroom with nothing procedurally wrong.
75 on 405. give me a break. everybody to the left is doing 75 when there's not much traffic. i have a moral disagreement with the speed limit. i think you should travel at speeds safe for conditions and go with the flow of traffic. But we all know the speed limit is about revenue generation, not safety. If you set the speed limit at 55, 60, 65, 70, most drivers will be going 70 REGARDLESS of where the limit is at.
http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/speedls1.html

THAT SAID. The cop does not make the laws and I didn't argue with the officer at all. He is just enforcing it, I have no problem with that, it's the law. (Although another cop tapped him on the shoulder and said "we have to go, there's a crash) but he continued to take another 5 minutes to write the ticket up for me so obviously safety or crashes are not as big of a deal as meeting a quota (and don't tell me there isn't one) or revenue generation. But again he was doing his job, I do not take issue with the cop for giving me a speed ticket.
What I DO take issue with is him being a dick to me for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. He took a tone with me like I had killed a puppy, right off the bat, and I don't appreciate it because I have had very civil interactions with cops and I don't mind most of t hem, it's just a cat and mouse game, who cares
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:35 PM   #8
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Where did this occur? Also Washington state patrol does not have audio or video feeds in their car so your out of luck there. As far as him calling you a knucklehead was it in a joking matter or him sounding rude?

BTW if your wanting to complain about the trooper you will need to call the washington state patrols main number and contact a SGT
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Old 07-27-2008, 02:41 PM   #9
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No, it was sounding rude. He was NOT joking, he was barking at me.
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Old 07-27-2008, 03:03 PM   #10
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sounds like he has no admissible evidence and you'd probably get out of it.

also sounds like you just met a bad cop, no donut situation.

don't spend too much time on it.
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Speed limits are purposely set at a 85% rule, meaning they set the speed to a limit they know 15% of the people will exceed.

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Traffic engineers may rely on the 85th percentile rule[3][4] to establish speed limits. The speed limit should be set to the speed that separates the bottom 85% of vehicle speeds from the top 15%. The 85th percentile is slightly greater than a speed that is one standard deviation above the mean of a normal distribution.

The theory is that traffic laws that reflect the behavior of the majority of motorists may have better compliance than laws that arbitrarily criminalize the majority of motorists and encourage violations. The latter kinds of laws lack public support and often fail to bring about desirable changes in driving behavior. An example is the federally-mandated 55 mph (90 km/h) speed limit that was removed in part because of notoriously low compliance.

Most U.S. jurisdictions report using the 85th percentile speed as the basis for their speed limits, so the 85th-percentile speed and speed limits should be closely matched. However, a review of available speed studies demonstrates that the posted speed limit is almost always set well below the 85th-percentile speed by as much as 8 to 12 mph (see p.88) (13 to 19 km/h). Some reasons for this include:

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Old 07-27-2008, 07:12 PM   #12
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Where did this occur? Also Washington state patrol does not have audio or video feeds in their car so your out of luck there.
I don't know about the marked patrol cars, but long ago, my friend got a ticket and there was a video/audio tape for evidence from the un-marked patrol car- white camero.
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Old 07-27-2008, 08:57 PM   #13
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I don't know about the marked patrol cars, but long ago, my friend got a ticket and there was a video/audio tape for evidence from the un-marked patrol car- white camero.
sounds like one of the sting/bait cars, so it makes sense there would be video/audio. gotta have as much evidence as possible, since theyre being so deceptive to begin with.
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:09 PM   #14
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Speaking of tickets, i just got a ticket like 3 days ago, mine came out to be $247!!
I was doing 56 in a 35. I was barely gonna shift to 3rd, lol
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:23 PM   #15
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Where did this occur? Also Washington state patrol does not have audio or video feeds in their car so your out of luck
Not true. When I got my ticket from the WSP, the Trooper's first words were "You are being audio and video recorded for your safety."

I kinda cocked my eyebrow at him. And it was just a regular crown vic, lightbar and WSP seal. Though the guy had his headlights off the entire time. Thats what got me out of the ticket. LOL at the video footage the judge reviewed and saw that when the trooper pulled out to chase me, the reflection on the back of my car showed that he didn't have any lights on.
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Old 07-27-2008, 09:38 PM   #16
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Regardless if the rest of I-5 is going 90mph, you have to make the judgement to become part of the flock and violate the speed limit or adhere to it. Flocking isn't a legal justification or reason for speeding.

I often travel on I-5 between the 60 and 70mph hour zones, and the general speed of vehicles definitely corresponds with those zones. Speeders will still be 5-10 over the posted limit, so I cant necessarily agree with your "theyd still be going 70 no matter the limit" argument.

Also, as much as you'd like to believe that there is a quota and that tickets are written for revenue generation, it just isn't true. While agencies such as the WSP do have goals and expectations, there is no quota. And revenue generation, I can't speak with the WSP because I'm not familar with that but in Municipalities, a large amount of the "revenue generated" goes to the courts and the rest goes to the city general fund. Not a penny goes directly back to the department. There is no direct connection between an officer and the ticket he writes revenue wise...if this ever happens, then that is something to truely morally object.

I won't make excuses for the officer's behavior. As I stated in my first post, if you have a legitimate gripe about their behavior you should use your voice and make a complaint. But was he being an ahole to be an ahole or could he have just come from a fatality crash or something?

Oh one more thing regarding audio video feeds. If you weren't told that you're being recorded, you weren't.
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Old 07-28-2008, 02:39 AM   #17
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I don't think that applies to the highway speed limit. Well over 70% of folks go at least 65 on 405 when it is reasonably free and clear.
There's no traffic study out there that just happened to peg 85% of drivers at 60mph on the highway.
In my observation, people tend to go about 70 mph in the 60 mph zone of 405 leading up to the 70mph zone. And then once in the 70mph zone, suddenly almost everybody is still going 70mph. You won't see very many people doing 10 over suddenly and doing 80, because the speed limit has been set at something more natural for the conditions.. suddenly not everybody is a criminal! ohnoes! what will happen to the revenue???

There is no "quota" quota, but any officer who writes a very low number of speeding tickets is going to get a talking to about his or her performance. Same frickin' thing.
He was being an ahole just to be an ahole. He was there with another officer who had somebody else pulled over kind of in the same zone. It was obvious they were doing traffic enforcement. As far as crashes go.. I don't think he took them seriously at all. His other cop came over to him and said "Hey man we gotta go there's a crash bla bla somewhere" (dont remember what he said) and he's like "OK, just a sec" and then continues to take another 6 minutes to give me the ticket. I guess that crash couldn't have been that important, that sounds like real police work and god forbid somebody's dying or the road needs to be blocked to prevent further crashes/injury. Yes yes, let's hurry and give the speeding ticket.
I'm not really trying to make any justification for my speeding. Don't speed in school zones, crowded areas, or anywhere you are putting somewhere in danger, other than that, go nuts if you have good judgement. There are spots on I90 between Idaho and Washington I've gone very, very, very fast, (think completelyyyy flat for very long distances with absolutely no cars) and the only person I put in danger was myself with my ridiculous reckless speed.

I wasn't told I was recorded. Frankly, I believe every cop should have audio/video feeds in their cars. If they have nothing to hide, why would there be any fear?
I will absolutely put in a complaint, but I want to wait until after the ticket is dismissed - its my philosophy of "be as least memorable as possible during a traffic stop so the cop can't remember any details on the stand and didn't take good notes". Also retribution is kind of scary. Got a family friend who's daughter had called the cops for a domestic issue re: child custody a few weeks ago. The cop was rude and unhelpful. So they put in a complaint, and they said they would send out an officer to take the complaint. Guess who they sent? the SAME RUDE COP to take the complaint on himself... WOW. Well, it's their word against the rude cop's, but somehow when he came to the house to take the complaint on himself, he tazed her husband after the conversation they had and took him to jail for the max time allowed.
I don't want to put in a complaint, and have that trooper show up to my house to take the complaint, taze me and throw me in jail.

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Old 07-28-2008, 07:57 AM   #18
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I don't know about the marked patrol cars, but long ago, my friend got a ticket and there was a video/audio tape for evidence from the un-marked patrol car- white camero.
Washington state patrol doesnt have a white camero to my knowledge. Crown vics, impalas, and a couple unmarked chargers.
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Not true. When I got my ticket from the WSP, the Trooper's first words were "You are being audio and video recorded for your safety."

I kinda cocked my eyebrow at him. And it was just a regular crown vic, lightbar and WSP seal. Though the guy had his headlights off the entire time. Thats what got me out of the ticket. LOL at the video footage the judge reviewed and saw that when the trooper pulled out to chase me, the reflection on the back of my car showed that he didn't have any lights on.
Very surprising considering the 3 or so troopers Ive taken a ride along has said "WSP doesnt have any audio/video". The only WSP cars that would have audio and video may be the drug units.
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I wasn't told I was recorded. Frankly, I believe every cop should have audio/video feeds in their cars. If they have nothing to hide, why would there be any fear?.
You assume that cops dont want the audio in video, when in fact it would make their jobs so much easier.
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You assume that cops dont want the audio in video, when in fact it would make their jobs so much easier.
+1. If you are writing a report and need to remember something that your field report left out. Imagine beeing able to review the audio/video to see what you missed. That would def help in your formal report before sending it off to the courts. To the OP dont assume that all cops/troopers/deputies are out to get you and be a jagoff to you. Most troopers are really nice guys. Yes troopers are pretty stern about more traffic issues but there here to insure our saftey. Anytime you go over 60 MPH always be ready to get pulled over. Each time, I usually go 65-75 MPH. And everytime I decide to speed, I always have a thought in the back of my mind if I get pulled over, I better be ready to get a ticket.
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I don't want to put in a complaint, and have that trooper show up to my house to take the complaint, taze me and throw me in jail.
Honestly dude a lot of people complain. Sergeants take so many BS complaints. Chances are the trooper wont even be reprimanded for this. My last ride along I was with, the trooper said this black guy complained to his sergeant and told the sergeant this:
"The trooper pulled me over and gave me a ticket because I was black. If I would have been white, I would have gotten a warning."

Don’t worry about the trooper showing up at your house. He has better and more important things to do in his life than to show up at your house and kick your ass because you called a desk sergeant and complained about a traffic infraction believe me. Plus for officer saftey, he wouldnt show up at your house anyways. He doesnt know if you have a gun or something. If the issue was something serious like sexual harassment, racial issues,etc chances are he would be talked about it but if he chewed you out a little bit about speeding, he prob wont be contacted.

BTW what was the troopers name?

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Old 07-29-2008, 01:46 AM   #23
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Washington state patrol doesnt have a white camero to my knowledge. Crown vics, impalas, and a couple unmarked chargers.
yeah, this was long ago, most of the cars had probably been replaced.
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"The trooper pulled me over and gave me a ticket because I was black. If I would have been white, I would have gotten a warning."
well, is that the reason for him getting a ticket? and would he have gotten a warning, had he been white?

it might sound absurd, but maybe he's right.
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