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Old 08-19-2008, 09:45 PM   #1
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I tried using meguires clay bar on my roof and using the spray that comes with it the bar just seems to slide over everything- am i using too much spray? or am i not pushing down hard enough? how hard should i push??

thanks guys- there is def a lot of crap on the car rubbing my hand over it all it feels like glitter
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:51 PM   #2
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Thats what you want. Without the spray, you would be rubbing clay all over your car. You glide the bar around, kneeding it when it gets dirty. When you move your hand across the surface you will notice it getting smooth.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:57 PM   #3
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Yeah don't press down hard, just glide it gently across the paint. If you press down too hard you will definetly start to scratch the paint.
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:03 PM   #4
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i fell like its just gliding over too easy tho and not really grabbing the contaminents
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:07 PM   #5
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Just keep going over it, it will come off. Don't put to much pressure and make sure you keep the area you are working very wet.
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:42 PM   #6
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you could also try using a solution of car wash soap and water- i actually prefer it over qd as the qd leaves a weired feeling on my hands
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:50 PM   #7
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i fell like its just gliding over too easy tho and not really grabbing the contaminents

haha dude you should read up on it a little more before you use it

the spray makes it slick for a reason... you dont need to go crazy with pressure
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:57 PM   #8
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i know the need for the spray bud i wanted to know what kind of pressure to add cause it doesnt seem to be making it as glassy smooth as i thought the claybar should have

and yea ill try the soap and water idea although i love the QD spray smells like big red gum
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:57 PM   #9
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And this is on your 2007? Chances are there isn't a whole lot that needs to be taken off anyway...
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:01 PM   #10
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didnt think there would be but i live in FL and a combination of our water (ground water- VERY full of minerals etc not soft in the least) and sun to bake on the hard water = a gritty feeling car

we dont have reservoirs like up north
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:11 PM   #11
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:13 PM   #12
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didnt think there would be but i live in FL and a combination of our water (ground water- VERY full of minerals etc not soft in the least) and sun to bake on the hard water = a gritty feeling car

we dont have reservoirs like up north
I'm with you on that. Not to mention pollen. Gotta love Florida.

I'm having trouble getting the rail/brake dust off my rear bumper and trunk, more though.
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:15 PM   #13
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keep kneading it
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:19 PM   #14
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ill keep it up and just go over areas for longer and i do knead it a lot but im not even seeing any contaminents on the bar- might it be the meguires clay kit????
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:19 PM   #15
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...nevermind

i used that same kit this weekend....just keep it wet and keep going section by section. make sure to wipe when you finish a section. should come out smooth as a baby's butt
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Old 08-19-2008, 11:20 PM   #17
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good to hear im not alone- beats the ice and salt i assume but still

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I'm with you on that. Not to mention pollen. Gotta love Florida.

I'm having trouble getting the rail/brake dust off my rear bumper and trunk, more though.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:26 AM   #18
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get a more aggressive clay bar, consider though that it wil be more prone for marring
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Old 08-21-2008, 01:48 AM   #19
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thats the clay i use, ive used it twice on my car. one just recently. it works fine for me. it takes all the black soot of my bumper no problem too. maybe you just dont have too much crap on there.
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Old 08-21-2008, 04:46 AM   #20
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In case I offer bad advise I invite any experts to jump right in on this. I've used the meguires clay bar kit multiple times and have had no problems. You want to apply a little bit of pressure so its not just the weight of the bar, but by no means do you really need to push down.

Are you able to see any dirt particles stuck to the surface? Or does it just feel uneven? You might want to talk to some people about waxing and polishing to try and help create a more even feel.

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Old 08-21-2008, 09:37 AM   #21
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I used Meguirs too, after claying the whole car I waxed it and noticed the hood was still kinda dull, so I went back and clayed just the hood again and got a LOT more small particles out that second time around.
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Old 08-21-2008, 10:59 AM   #22
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easy on the pressure. Find the grittiest spot on the car and work a small section. You should feel it get smoother (less resistance) as you wipe the clay over it.

You might be using too much spray although too much is better than not enough. You only need to keep it as slick as it needs to be in order for the clay to glide and not stick or get hung up anywhere. AND KEEP IT CLEAN! if you drop it on the ground, throw it out.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:26 PM   #23
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First you need to determine what type of fallout you've got. A clay bar is good for about 80% of all fallout that resides on the surface of the paint, and is about 90% of the time used for the wrong application.

Once exposed to dew or rain, any type of ferrous metal like rail dust or brake dust will actually eat through your clear coat and into the paint substrate beneath. In this case a clay bar will make it worse. A clay bar will only remove contaminants on the surface of the paint leaving the root behind, and does not contain any acidic or alkaline properties to either open the pores of the paint, or neutralize acidic deposits.

Any type of metallic or acidic contaminant such as ferrous metals, acid rain, bird droppings, ect ... need to undergo a chemical reaction in order to be completely removed from the substrate. There are many different types of fallout remover, the most common being an oxalic acid liguid or gel that is applied to the paint surface and left wet to sit for a few minutes, than wiped off (completely removing all contaminants). A PH balanced alkaline car wash soap follows to neutralize the oxalic acid. Used properly, this technique is 100% clear coat safe, and takes all of five minutes, with no scrubbing involved.

There are also other companies like FK that offer other products for paint decontamination. Check the following link for tons of info on fallout and their products:
http://www.fk1usa.com/decontamination.htm#

Having the right tools for the job makes things much easier. A clay bar is great for things like paint over spray, light sap deposits, hardened tar spots, or general gritty feeling paint from baked on organic dust, however, it is NOT a replacement for a proper fallout remover. People waste countless hours using a clay bar when the correct tool has the job done correctly in minutes, with no effort.

My advice to the OP is if the clay bar is not working, look into a decontamination system like the product offered by FK. Chances are you're dealing with a type of fallout that cannot be cured by clay.

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Old 08-26-2008, 01:39 PM   #24
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ill keep it up and just go over areas for longer and i do knead it a lot but im not even seeing any contaminents on the bar- might it be the meguires clay kit????
You might want to provide some brightly lit pics to help figure out the condition.

I've had great luck with the Megs clay before and use it often, since it's cheap and easily available. I usually use soapy water instead of the QD since it's cheaper. Rub/Glide lightly and you SHOULD see it picking up contaminants. They are very, very small, but they should be there. As soon as you see them, knead the clay and keep going. Focus on a 1'x1' area until you get the hang of it and can feel the difference. If it's the first time, it's going to take awhile. Don't press hard, or it'll scratch.
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Old 01-11-2009, 09:16 PM   #25
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There are also other companies like FK that offer other products for paint decontamination. Check the following link for tons of info on fallout and their products:
http://www.fk1usa.com/decontamination.htm#
Cheers.
Hey there, I have a recurring rail dust problem, and while the clay bar initially removed all the spots, 6 months later it's returned and multiplied!

I fear that, like you said, my initial "removal" did little more than remove the surface rust.

Have you used the fk1 product, and can you recommend it?
I'm curious how many decontaminations the various sized kits might last on a impreza sized application.

Thanks in Advance!
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