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Old 03-12-2002, 12:05 PM   #1
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Lets start with the install. You CAN do it by yourself! (I have NO handy man skills!) I just didn't want to wait for help and crawled under the car and got started. The three bolts holding the ALK to the car were a pain to get off, but sure enough, they did. I wouuld suggest doing the passenger side first (its the hardest because of the downpipe being in the way) Anyway, all it is, is taking stuff off and putting new stuff on.

The ride is great! The car feels a lot stiffer. Turn in is instance and awsome. Launching and on throttle turns are sweet! The front end just stays were it is, no lifting. You can now stay in your lane when accelerating through a corner (this is a good thing )

I have stock springs/struts, RE730's in the stock size, so the "harsh, jarring" ride I read about was not too bad, but with 17s or 18s, ouch.
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Old 03-13-2002, 10:38 AM   #2
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Sounds good. I'm planning on getting ALK in the near future. Another reason that they don't seem as harsh as people said they were is because whiteline redesigned the bushing with little grooves in it to help absorb some of they harshness.
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Old 03-13-2002, 12:05 PM   #3
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There is a huge thread in the suspention forum about that. Many people were compaining about the new bushings, too (the yellow ones) So now whiteline has an even more complient bushing, it is red. I have the yellow one. FYI
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Old 04-01-2002, 03:28 PM   #4
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Update: After a few weeks, everything is still good, but have aquired a some new squeeks. I'm almost positive they are coming from the new bushings.
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Old 04-06-2002, 09:39 PM   #5
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Did you lube the bushings with silicone grease when you installed them? If you did'nt, sqeeking can be expected .
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Old 04-10-2002, 01:46 PM   #6
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I thought of that afterwards, and there is a metal sleeve in side the bushing so its metal to metal (if I remember correctly). Grease would probably help still, but its not that bad and I'm lazy
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There is a huge thread in the suspention forum about that. Many people were compaining about the new bushings, too (the yellow ones) So now whiteline has an even more complient bushing, it is red. I have the yellow one. FYI
Actually the production "comfort" bushings are yellow. The red one was just for testing to help differentiate it from the normal durometer, gooved bushing.
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Old 08-01-2002, 06:56 PM   #8
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I have had the ALK in with the origianal "harsh" bushings for about 9 mths and they are great, little NVH increase to me, nothing like the STi engine, tranny and pitch stop rod gave me. On the stock car the ALK got rid of lift altogether, of course as soon as i did the uppipe and turboback the lift was present again. I shudder to think what it would have been like w/o the ALK.
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humm what does NVH mean, and by 'harsh' do you guys mean noise or actually too much stiffness ?
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Noise Vibration Harshness

Harshness- as in the bumps/potholes are more noticeable and jolt the car more. The kind that knock the fillings out of your teeth.

Comfort version is close to stock.
Sport the happy medium but is too much for some people, like "The Princess & the Pea" type people.
And the Race is for track only pretty much so don't even think about it.
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Old 03-31-2007, 12:37 AM   #11
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BTW, Holy back from the dead post Batman!(Orvtech)

This thread was about 5 1/2yrs old before you resurrected it.
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BTW, Holy back from the dead post Batman!(Orvtech)

This thread was about 5 1/2yrs old before you resurrected it.
yeah ... i tend to do that.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:12 AM   #13
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Resurrected again...

This is good info on the NVH front. I've got my ALK sitting around, but I was hesitant to install it due to NVH. I think I have the sport version, but I may trade it in for the comfort one.
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I love some good ol NVH. Makes you feel like your in a racecar. i swear i threw my back out the other day just riding in my car. get some good coilovers and set them puppies to the high rebound setting and enjoy!!!lol
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Even with the comfort there is slighty more NVH. I have the Whiteline comfort in my WRX, and so does my brother. With both installations the only detectable difference in NVH is going over quick bumps, like lane divider nubs, train tracks, etc. No detectable sound on regular flat driving at all. Its not a feeling as much as a more amplified sound from the bushing absorbing some shock. Comparing the turn in response and positive handling effect of alk, to the slight increase in sound over quick bumps, its still worth every penny.
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Sorry I am slow..what does ALK stand for? I am thinking installing a Hothckis roll bar...I hear there are difficult to install...not part of my question. So if you could let me know what ALK stands for. Thanks
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^^Anti-Lift Kit and nice screen name!
Here's a link - http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?p=8384387

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Sorry I am slow..what does ALK stand for? I am thinking installing a Hothckis roll bar...I hear there are difficult to install...not part of my question. So if you could let me know what ALK stands for. Thanks
Check out some of the FAQs (if you haven't already). Goes into detail on ALK, sway bars and anything else you're looking to install. Have fun!
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had these when I had my 99RS and it was great. turn in was much better and the front rolled less in mid corner. works really well if you have bigger front roll bars too.
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anyone experience the bushing working its way out on the whiteline comfort ALKs?
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Even with the comfort there is slighty more NVH. I have the Whiteline comfort in my WRX, and so does my brother. With both installations the only detectable difference in NVH is going over quick bumps, like lane divider nubs, train tracks, etc. No detectable sound on regular flat driving at all. Its not a feeling as much as a more amplified sound from the bushing absorbing some shock. Comparing the turn in response and positive handling effect of alk, to the slight increase in sound over quick bumps, its still worth every penny.
Same here. I was extremely hesitant to put in urethane at this location as I believe it tends to act like a harder duro at high frequency than it's rated for.

But I bit the bullet after people raved about it. I have the Whiteline COMFORT ALK on my wagon that has stock everything except for some bracing, whiteline sway bars and endlinks. Interesting to note, was that after install it was very harsh and added a lot of noise and vibration. Then after a week or so, it seemed to "break in" and that all calmed down a bit. Now, I've had it for a couple months now and the NVH has stabilized. Bottom line, there is a step up in noise and vibration; CD cases rattle in the door pockets where before they didn't. This isn't so bad... and I carry my 1 year old around in the car. Plus, I'm "old" so I actually hate NVH.

The part that is stepped up about 2 steps was the harshness. The sharp transitions like expansion joints and road construction plates, etc make a BANG when you hit them and you feel it. It's not race car harsh, but it does slap you enough to take note that this is not a stock setup anymore.

Braking dive now feels more like a low push up than the hand stand it used to be. The nose definitely dips, but the angle seems more flat when it does it.

It's really nice having the additional castor for the more responsive steering, and it does cut some of the power understeer.

With my strict NVH standards, I allowed myself only one urethane suspension bushing (sway bars don't count) and the ALK is it. It would be perfect if Whiteline used a GroupN type bushing instead.
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the Whiteline ALK is amazing, awesome bang for your buck IMO

I had one on my GC, can't wait to get one for my WRX!
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So with a ALK my car may not look like this when I launch?


^ My car obviously is the CGM one.
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So with a ALK my car may not look like this when I launch?


^ My car obviously is the CGM one.
It will look more like this. The kit actually decreases "anti lift" with the purpose of softening up the suspension for less throttle-on understeer (IIRC). So your wheel wells will snarl even higher with the kit during your launch.

However it looks, you'll probably benefit from the static castor effect the ALK provides.

But really, an ALK is more for people who turn.
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It will look more like this. The kit actually decreases "anti lift" with the purpose of softening up the suspension for less throttle-on understeer (IIRC). So your wheel wells will snarl even higher with the kit during your launch.

However it looks, you'll probably benefit from the static castor effect the ALK provides.

But really, an ALK is more for people who turn.
yes I do know ALK actually removes the anti-lift geometry but everyone says their car stays flatter so I thought I'd ask.

And I'm by no means a drag guy, I just went because it was the shootout and to test my setup for once.
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