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Old 02-19-2012, 09:34 PM   #4976
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This is one of the more useful things I read, along with a long romraider discussion regarding knock, and the Subaru system.

http://accessecu.com/support/docs/te...20FAQ%20v2.pdf
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Old 02-19-2012, 09:38 PM   #4977
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Also, yes, your DAM should learn to 1, and your fine knock should be 0. If the fine knock isnt zero, that would most likely be whats pulling the DAM down. The knock feedback doesn't effect DAM because it isn't a stored correction, it's just an instantaneous response.

At least this is how I believe I understand it.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:03 PM   #4978
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What map are you running? I'm currently in 91 LWG running -1 timing for safety since winter gas blows. I've been doing a ton of reading on Feedback knock, and, for the most part, it's not as big a problem as most people make it out to be. Not to say that it should be ignored either though. Have you tried numerous 4th gear pulls and had the knock show up in the same exact spot?

Also, what did you use for the seatbelt resistor for your recaros?
Unfortunately, the last log we did was the one with the knock. I am running the 93 normal wastegate map.

As for the seats, I didn't have a seat belt resistor trick as I used the stock receiver on the base and plugged it in. I did have to get a 3.3 Ohm resistor for each seat for the side airbag defeat, but you shouldn't have to worry about that since it's an 06+ issue.

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Also, yes, your DAM should learn to 1, and your fine knock should be 0. If the fine knock isnt zero, that would most likely be whats pulling the DAM down. The knock feedback doesn't effect DAM because it isn't a stored correction, it's just an instantaneous response.

At least this is how I believe I understand it.
My fine knock was 0 across the board for all 3 logs. I'm willing to bet it is just the car learning. I am going to wait til Ian responds and I will take it easy til then. I will definitely log it again this weekend.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:16 PM   #4979
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Matt what is the problem you are having, under target boost?
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:17 PM   #4980
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This is one of the more useful things I read, along with a long romraider discussion regarding knock, and the Subaru system.

http://accessecu.com/support/docs/te...20FAQ%20v2.pdf
Bookmarked...Thanks Matt

I did two logs on the way home of my HWG map and had 0 knock feedback across the board. DAM is at 1 and injector duty cycle is still up there in higher RPMs but also read somewhere that the IDC is not an exact representation of 0-100%. I will just lay off the high RPMs until I get a ProTune.

Definitely satisfied with how the headlights turned out, thanks Eroc for the extra set of hands on peeling those things apart. Now I just need some new license plate bolts!
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:30 PM   #4981
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Matt what is the problem you are having, under target boost?
I was over boosting a little, but the LWG map has me right on, 17.5+- 1lb .

I was also getting FBKC on my hard 4th gear logs, usually no more than -2, but I did get a -4 for a short time on one of them.

According to that article, even ~-2.5 is acceptable. Also, where in the rpm range were you getting the knock? Again, Cobb mentions circumstances where it's normal for the sensor to pick up knock (usually false due to loads/acceleration/spool/cruising)

I have been watching FBKC during my drives to work this weekend, and it seems like almost all of the knock events that show up happen under circumstances that Cobb labels as normal.

My DAM learns to 1 very quickly, and I also consistently have 0 for fine knock. Granted, the Subaru system switches between which of these correction systems to use, but the most serious issues seem to be related to DAM and fine knock. Hopefully Ian will tell us similar info when he gets back to us this week (I've also sent him logs)
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:35 PM   #4982
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No paint, just removed the ambers.



Really does look good!Subi mod garage beer fridge in reflection I see, lol ^^^^^^^^^ Cool mod weekend, will do again thanks guys!
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:35 PM   #4983
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Also Erik, I would probably suggest (which Ian will probably also suggest) that you switch to the 91 map, since the winter gas is crappy. You won't notice a negative difference in power, I actually felt like my car ran faster and better after switching.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:37 PM   #4984
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For those who may be interested.... Silvia Sundays...

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Old 02-19-2012, 10:38 PM   #4985
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Your front end looks real mean Geoff, I can't wait to do my headlights and get a lip, though that'll all have to wait for a bit, since I'm buying those seats.
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:40 PM   #4986
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That's pretty crazy Kurt, have any full body shots? And I definitely
Think I'll need a ride in that when you get it on the road
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Old 02-19-2012, 10:47 PM   #4987
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I like that Kurt I can't wait to see it in action. What turbo are you running? My buddies S13 is in the shop right now getting his Garret gt2871r installed along with some Crower 272s and some 1000cc injectors. He has the SR20DET Red Top swap. You will get to see it in the summer as well.

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Old 02-20-2012, 09:22 AM   #4988
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I was getting more knock at lower rpms and then it decreased by 4k. I think to be safe I will put it on the 91 map for now, but before I do I want to log it again to see if it's any better.
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:23 AM   #4989
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Geoff what did you use to re-seal your headlights? I'm planning on doing mine after work!
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Old 02-20-2012, 09:58 AM   #4990
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I was getting more knock at lower rpms and then it decreased by 4k. I think to be safe I will put it on the 91 map for now, but before I do I want to log it again to see if it's any better.
Was this just after going 100% throttle? Or was your turbo psi still increasing?

I was getting my knock after all that happened, usually -2 between the 48-56k rpm range
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Was this just after going 100% throttle? Or was your turbo psi still increasing?

I was getting my knock after all that happened, usually -2 between the 48-56k rpm range
It was immediately after going wot. (during the hesitation/ stumble part) -2 @ 2335 rpm @ 2.1 psi going up to -4 @ 2580 rpm @ 7.05 psi decreasing back down to -2 @ 4790 rpm @ 18.1 psi and finally 0 @ 5748 rpm @ 16.31 psi.
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That's a normal area to have a knock reading, from what I understand, due to the load on the engine during acceleration, and vibration from the trunk during spool. It's actually just the sensor giving a false knock reading due to those circumstances. That Cobb article mentions things like that I beleive.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:50 AM   #4993
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Thanks. The body isn't much to look at, but that's ok it isnt a show car. I'll bring it to a meet once I finish the cage and various other projects I have going on with it.



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I like that Kurt I can't wait to see it in action. What turbo are you running? My buddies S13 is in the shop right now getting his Garret gt2871r installed along with some Crower 272s and some 1000cc injectors. He has the SR20DET Red Top swap. You will get to see it in the summer as well.
it currently has a built s14 sr20det with gt2871r, 850cc injectors, hks stage 2 cams, and power fc among other things. It made 360whp on only 16psi. I plan on taking all that out and running a dual ball bearing s15 turbo. It rips with the current setup but too much lag for road racing.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:51 AM   #4994
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Just put my order in to wedge engineering for my seat brackets. It'll take at least 20 days to get em.
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Old 02-20-2012, 10:56 AM   #4995
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Oh and Erik finally went stage 2? Nice...
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:02 PM   #4996
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How many people are there in the Cleveland area that are stage 2(+) versus stage 1/stock?

Im curious what the % is for each year. I would assume less of the 09+ guys with wrx are stage 2 than older because many buy a wrx new and can't afford to go stage 2. I would think a higher % of Sti guys go stage 2 because they obviously had more money to spend.

Then again maybe that's not the mind set of the Sti owners... they maybe bought the Sti in hopes it was superior and they would not have to mod it.

I know/have met 5 3g wrx in mentor that are stock/stage 1. So far I'm the only stage 2(+) I've run into on the street. Lots of them on forums though.
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Old 02-20-2012, 12:10 PM   #4997
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It's seems like almost all of the regular GD body style STi owners either are stg 2, or have the parts ready for an install.

I personally bought my STi knowing that I'd want to mod it a bit, and by picking up an older used model, I'd probably spent about what most of the 09+ Wrx owners spent on their cars.

I also knew that with the goals I had for my car, alot of the upgraded STi parts would be more than adequate, so I wouldn't have to spend money on them, like the brakes, for example. And the STi parts that I decide to take off are still desirable to GD Wrx owners looking for upgrades, that don't want to pay full price for a brand new item. So that's a bit of a win-win for the STi and Wrx owners.
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Thanks. The body isn't much to look at, but that's ok it isnt a show car. I'll bring it to a meet once I finish the cage and various other projects I have going on with it.

it currently has a built s14 sr20det with gt2871r, 850cc injectors, hks stage 2 cams, and power fc among other things. It made 360whp on only 16psi. I plan on taking all that out and running a dual ball bearing s15 turbo. It rips with the current setup but too much lag for road racing.
Nice sounds like a very similar setup except his will be running on the stock block for now. Let me know if you are looking to sell parts off of it, I could always mention them to my buddy and see if he is interested.

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Geoff what did you use to re-seal your headlights? I'm planning on doing mine after work!
I didn't add anything extra. The sealant will peel apart when you pry open the headlights. I would recommend a second set of hands because Eroc was cutting the sealant with a knife to keep it separated evenly. When you put them back together just push them together, then heat them for 5-10 minutes. Pull them out as push more and get the screws started. Heat it again for ten, then tighten all the screws up and you're done.

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I didn't add anything extra. The sealant will peel apart when you pry open the headlights. I would recommend a second set of hands because Eroc was cutting the sealant with a knife to keep it separated evenly. When you put them back together just push them together, then heat them for 5-10 minutes. Pull them out as push more and get the screws started. Heat it again for ten, then tighten all the screws up and you're done.
Yes, no need to add more sealant when you pull headlights apart.. you really shouldnt lose any doing it. Mine have been apart atleast twice and still have yet to add sealant to them.

Erik, how's the new DP treating you? enjoying it?
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Erik, how's the new DP treating you? enjoying it?
Everything is great except as stated before, I am getting some knock during the 4th gear pulls. I did manage to get a few more at lunch today and while I was out, the DAM switched to 1. I did a variety of different things and noticed that I only get really bad knock when starting the pull from a lower rpm and after I quick shift into the next gear. It seems to be getting better though. Does this sound normal?

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