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Old 08-24-2008, 01:58 PM   #1
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Default Labor assosiated with an engine swap?

I have a RS that may get a wrx engine in the future. Whats a conservative estimate on how many hours of labor it would take for a average shop to do the swap?
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Old 08-24-2008, 09:34 PM   #2
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at least 5days, ecs say at least 1-2 weeks
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Old 08-24-2008, 11:59 PM   #3
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at least 5days, ecs say at least 1-2 weeks
Sorry, I must have worded my question badly. I basically need to know how many hours of labor I would have to "buy" for a sengine swap.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:32 AM   #4
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While it isn't a number of hours here is what ECS charges flat rate.

http://www.eastcoastswappers.com/rates.php
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Old 08-25-2008, 10:45 PM   #5
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While it isn't a number of hours here is what ECS charges flat rate.

http://www.eastcoastswappers.com/rates.php
Holy s***. I was hoping for 1k max.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:40 AM   #6
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Holy s***. I was hoping for 1k max.
Remember that their work is guaranteed, though. Wrenching at home, if you're any good at it, is always cheaper than bringing your car to a garage. That's the way it works.

It doesn't take them the full 2 weeks to do the swap, they're just very busy and have more than one car going on at once. They like to have the extra time to test drive and make sure everything works as it should. ECS is the best at wiring merges, and can do that alone for $975 I think it is. So, you could do the engine on your own, and have them do the rat's nest.

And in PA there's also www.area1320.com. In CA there's www.garagetuning.com

My list of places to have swaps done: http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63515
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Old 08-26-2008, 05:50 PM   #7
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In CA the better choice over Garage Tuning would be Renner Motor Sport. Trust me...
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Old 08-26-2008, 11:35 PM   #8
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why not sell the RS and get a wrx? Kind of a no brainer in my mind.
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Old 08-27-2008, 02:32 PM   #9
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from RS to 2.0 WRX, engine only:
Engine/Xmember/Fuel System/Exhaust/Clutch etc
About 10-12 hrs depending on the person (This swap is relatively easy)

The wiring, including removing and reinstalling the dash, wrapping the harness and putting it through to the engine/sensors etc takes about 8-10 hrs.

Of course, much of this can be done MUCH faster, or MUCH slower, like I said it really depends on the car and the person doing it. But I'd expect these to be the fair shop rates for the work.

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Old 08-28-2008, 10:19 AM   #10
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It ultimately depends on how knowledgable you are and how motivated you are if you are doing the swap yourself. The actual swap aspects can be done in a weekend. You want to do all your prep work in advance and have everything ready to go in when you decide to take the car down. I did my swap on my RS in a 25 hour period of time.

Contact Broken Motorsports in NJ if you are looking for a second opinion on shop rates or merging services.

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Old 08-29-2008, 02:00 PM   #11
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try to do the mechanics yourself and then take it into the shop to have them do the harness that's what i'm planning on doing except i'm swapping an STi into my WRX
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why not sell the RS and get a wrx? Kind of a no brainer in my mind.
Did you get lost and not know where you are? This is the conversions forum. We do conversions here. The trade your car in and get something else forum is more towards the bottom...

Figure if you pay someone to do it that you will pay for 40-50 hours of labor. It likely won't take them that long to do it, but that's what they will charge you. Call it book rate on a swap.

As others have mentioned, you can do the mechanical yourself and send your harnesses off to one of several very good wiring people here. Zephyr250 is the first one that comes to mind.
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:02 PM   #13
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Zephyr250 is the first one that comes to mind.
Thanks Matt, but they'll have to look me up under Zephyr. I changed my SN a little while back as the 250 portion was no longer relevant.

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Thanks Matt, but they'll have to look me up under Zephyr. I changed my SN a little while back as the 250 portion was no longer relevant.

Zephyr
You threw me. My first post said that one of the wiring gurus was posting in this thread. I hit submit and saw the SN of "Zephyr" and thought it wasn't you. I then edited my post to what it says now. If I had bothered to look at the member number it would have been clear to me.
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Old 08-29-2008, 04:11 PM   #15
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If your not going JDM motor. I would advise just getting a full wireing harness ( if you feel you can handle the swap on your own ) haveing a harness to swap in and out is no harder then the motor pull and cross member swap.

Since you have an 03 an 02-03 WRX motor and harness would be the easyest with the least amount of splicing ( maybe? seatbelt sensors, 4 wires fron the trans, and radiator fans ) as the years have gone on the wireing has changed more and more. I put a 04 STi into my 02rs and there rilly was very little splicing and pin swaping to do with a full harness swap.
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Old 08-29-2008, 11:06 PM   #16
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As others have mentioned, you can do the mechanical yourself and send your harnesses off to one of several very good wiring people here. Zephyr250 is the first one that comes to mind.
I do them as well
Got 2 going at the same time as we speak.
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Old 08-30-2008, 06:09 PM   #17
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I missed that this is a bugeye RS the first time through. If you can do the mechanical, you can do the wiring on this too. Just pull in the WRX harness with nearly no changes and Wala! it's done...
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