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Old 08-28-2008, 02:16 AM   #1
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I have an o8 2.5 i non turbo. i want to make it a wrx which will be less reliable and expensive. but so would getting a turbo model. ive only had the car for like 4 months. I love it. but my dad wants me to keep this car. PLEASE HELP. and telling me to wait five years doesnt do me any good. Thanks guys
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Old 08-28-2008, 09:21 AM   #2
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Who bought the car? You or Dad? If you bought it, do you have the extra grip laying around to put into it?

How old are you? Under 18 and/or living under his roof then you probably got to play by his rules.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:09 PM   #3
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Step 1, sell your car, step 2, buy a wrx.
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Old 08-28-2008, 12:48 PM   #4
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It is not really worth the time, effort and money to make your car a WRX. I would say stay with the NA. They are fun to drive and have a great linear powerband. Learn to drive it well and have fun with it then upgrade to a WRX or STI down the road. Learn how AWD drives and the quirks that come with it first. Have fun with the car you have, I would hate to see you have more issues with your car once you turbo it. Having the power of a turbo is nice but you must first learn to control that power before you go there. Just my .02 cents...
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Old 08-28-2008, 01:18 PM   #5
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Do you want a turbo or do you just want more power? I agree that it will be more headache than its worth to turbo your car when there are wrxs around. If you're just itching for more power, try a few other mods first (i.e. exhaust, flywheel, whatever..).
I agree with Joebob, learn to drive your car now before you go turbo, you can even slowly mod it in the mean time if you can't wait.
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Old 08-28-2008, 06:53 PM   #6
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i thought more people would give advice but so far this all seems pretty good. im thinking about selling it in a year and then getting an sti or wrx
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Old 08-28-2008, 08:14 PM   #7
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37whp of fury here. I love it.
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Old 08-28-2008, 10:10 PM   #8
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im sixteen i have a job and i pay half and all the insurance. i understand the value of a dollar. my dad could easily afford 2 sti's for me but he chose NA for now and i pay haf and work the other haf off in schoool
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:23 AM   #9
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Please dont take this the wrong way.. but your not ready for an sti. i really dont mean that disrespectfully to you, but ive seen to many 16 17 or 18 year olds not respect the car they have and pay the price for it. We all remember how we drove at 16-18 and trust me... you do not need an sti just yet...
Enjoy the fact you have a nice new car now in high school, and wait a while to get an sti
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:25 AM   #10
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no offense taken but i am still learning my car. i drive everyday and practice.. im going to thunder hill soon to take some classes. but im talking in a year...my dream car would be an o7 sti. and btw at my school which is private, most kids have cars more expensive than the sti because daddy loves them.
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Old 08-29-2008, 12:37 AM   #11
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I have driven the 2008 2.5i and the car is very well balanced. Very punchy down low and power comes on smoothly.

The 2.5i can get you into trouble as I know my 2.5RS has before in the past in completely stock form, as with any car. It is not just about practicing with the car and trust me after only a year with the car you have probably just skimmed the surface of what the car can do. You would be surprised as to how far the car in stock form can really go, even with the RE92s.

You have a great car, trust me. It gets great gas mileage is still very fun to drive and you probably got a smoking deal on it.

Trust me, I know what it is like to go to a school that you are referring too. I used to work at a dealership where high school kids would say mom and dad, I want that car. About a week later, would come back with a wrecked STI or one with a blown motor. Just do not let it get to you as many would be envious to have what you have. I bet you with anything you do to your 2.5i you can make it into a much better car than what those other kids have.

Daddy buys it so that the kids can stop whining. I have seen it first hand way too many times.

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Old 08-29-2008, 01:24 AM   #12
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thanks man. but its these ******** that are always oh my porche will rape your car, or my challenger or z. and they dont even give a **** about cars or their car i jusst wanna be able to stick it to em on the track
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:13 AM   #13
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no offense taken but i am still learning my car. i drive everyday and practice.. im going to thunder hill soon to take some classes. but im talking in a year...my dream car would be an o7 sti. and btw at my school which is private, most kids have cars more expensive than the sti because daddy loves them.
I truly believe that your dad loves you more than those who get handed expensive, powerful cars. I'd HIGHLY recommend that instead of asking him for a more powerful car, I'd sincerely ask him for more TRAINING.

http://www.jimrussellusa.com/index.p...=74&Itemid=115

^Jim Russell School of Racing

http://www.bondurant.com/courses/teendriving.php

^Bob Bondurant School of High Performance Driving

Two really great schools...and the Bondurant course has saved my life on several occasions since attending a LONG, LONG time ago.
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Old 08-29-2008, 02:21 AM   #14
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thanks man. but its these ******** that are always oh my porche will rape your car, or my challenger or z. and they dont even give a **** about cars or their car i jusst wanna be able to stick it to em on the track
Join SCCA, get some auto-x experience, do some handling mods, then invite them out to an event...

...loser pays entry fees for both.

You'll have a great time, and embarrass most of the ham-fisted teenagers who might have a great car, but lack the skill and knowledge of how to drive it. I've seen enough auto-x results to know that sheer power is nothing without the control of handling.

That said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XwLbHQTD9I

Done in real-time, no fast-forwarding...

...no braking at any point...

...no crossing double solid yellow lines...

in a '98 Forester which has 103WHP (Fine Line Imports Mustang Dyno).

If I had brought along my SVX or the Forester XT...
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Old 08-29-2008, 06:27 AM   #15
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Gary and Roo are right. Who cares what you drive? At the end of the day, it is just a car, right? I am probably in the same situation as you.

I drive a P.O.S. 1997 Subaru Impreza L (auto). Less power than you and I can tell you that it can get me in trouble.

Please excuse my numbering system thingy. Trying to think straight at 3AM in the morning... But here are some things to think about. At least here are some things I think about over the last two years in terms of what I did with my car. In no particular order.

1. Do you need a WRX or an STi? Over the next few years, your parents are probably going to start letting you be more independent. That's paying for more bills, school, little living expenses, etc. Another thing is, will you need the extra power output from either the two? I mean, it is nice to have, but why spend money on extra power that you might not use. Don't forget less fuel efficiency, and I would assume it'd be a little more expensive to maintain. You know what I mean?

2. As for friends with bomb-ass cars... Let me tell you... fast cars and fast drivers are really two different things. I auto-x fairly frequently. My car is 137 hp and 144 ft-lbs of torque at the crank. Car more or less at the bottom of the food chain, even among other Subaru's. Recently, I've been putting down some pretty good times. Occasionally putting down times competitive to some cars that make twice or three times as much power as I do. Try to keep things in perspective. Do you want to have a fast car, or do you want to be a fast driver? Just something to think about.

3. As for turbo'ing your car... Don't. It is just a car. Spend your money elsewhere. Save up for a better one or invest it or spend on your girlfriend or something. Cars are fun and all, but are horrible investments.

4. As for learning your car, it is great to hear you are planning to take classes. Keep an open mind and don't forget to have fun. Here is something you should take a look into. Tirerack Teen Street Survival. That'll be a good way to go, too. I've heard this a few times, and I don't particularly agree with it, but here it is: I know how to drive my car because I drive my car hard while practicing on mountain roads and twisties. Not saying you'll think that, but I've heard people say it and I think it is kind of funny. After you take a spin a few times, you'll realize how little it takes to lose control.

4. Don't mod your car for the sake of modding. Mod parts that you think you'll need. You won't really know what you need until you start driving your car hard.

5. Don't be cheap. The cheapest way isn't always the best way. There are plenty of trash products out there. Do your research and get it done right the first time. Same with choosing shops. Don't be cheap there either. A lot of great shops in the Bay Area. LIC, GST, AutoHQ, SpeedElement, etc. They are professionals. Professionals are expensive. They do the job right. Expensive job done right is better than cheap job done wrong.

That's all I can think of right now.

Here is my project thread over on I-Club. It's kind of a journal over the last 2 or 3 years. It's an interesting read with lots of pictures. I hope you can take something away from some of the mistakes I made, and can learn something from my other experiences.

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164365
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Old 08-29-2008, 03:58 PM   #16
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,6038563.story

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=190251

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189800

http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189589


Here is 4 different stories of why you should probably reconsider trying to get into a more powerful car so quickly. I am not saying that you will street race or anything like that. However, the temptation is definitely there (especially when you are younger). A lot of the time it seems that people get involved in this kind of stuff because of others seeing that person's car as something Fast & they want to beat it. Everyone says to themselves "That won't happen to me" or "I'm not that kind of person", but how do you truly know unless you have been in that kind of situation.

Personally, I started off with a lot of lower end cars and have worked my up to my WRX now. I would still definitely like to go to the High Performance Driving Schools like Roo suggested as I feel those would definitely help improve my driving skills.

I would say save up your money. If you really want to get into a WRX or STI, then purchase it yourself. You will appreciate it a lot more when it is your own money being put into the car rather than someone else getting it for you.
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Old 08-29-2008, 05:25 PM   #17
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Forget about what the other kids say. Just leave them be. There is no sense is wasting your time and money to be apart of a crowd to be popular. It is just not worth it. I am sure many of the adults here can attest to that after having gone through that phase at some point in their lives.

Like Roo and darkonion said learning your car is a great idea. I invite you to come join us at a track day and you will see that there are lots of people who go out with stock cars just to learn and have fun. Hey, we need to get out of the shop sometime right?

I will be attending this even in October and I think this club is a great group to be with and you will learn quite a bit that you never thought of. We have worked very well with Unlimited Laps on an event that happened a couple of months ago and we think that a lot of people have gone away learning a lot more about their car than they originally have before.

Link below:
http://www.unlimitedlaps.com/eventdetails/20081017.html

Oh, just to mention a quick note, Roo and I know one person who could drive a stock 99 2.5RS faster than STI and WRX owners when he was still around in CA. He never had the fastest car, but could drive and really stick it to anyone.

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Old 08-29-2008, 06:05 PM   #18
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Speaking of which...

TrackDay, January 4th.
http://www.i-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189358

What we are trying to say is that, no point in dumping money in your car if you are unable to drive at that level anyways. I know it seems like a lot, but take one step at a time.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:31 PM   #19
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no offense taken but i am still learning my car. i drive everyday and practice.. im going to thunder hill soon to take some classes. but im talking in a year...my dream car would be an o7 sti. and btw at my school which is private, most kids have cars more expensive than the sti because daddy loves them.
borrow their cars


just don't be in the silly seat when one of them crashes it....and they will....just wait....
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Old 08-30-2008, 03:33 PM   #20
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wouldnt i lose with my car tho
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Old 08-30-2008, 07:13 PM   #21
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Wouldn't I lose with my car though?
^This post sums up why you don't need an STI. If you're thinking about winning or losing, then you don't quite have the level of maturity to be driving something that could quite easily get you killed, or kill innocent people.

In reality, I'd rather be known for being able to drive a slow car FAST (and safe) than drive a fast car SLOW or drive either of them in a reckless manner which endangers innocent pedestrians or other drivers.

I hope you carefully consider where you spend your money. Modding a car is expensive, with little return once you're done with or wreck the car. Modding the driver transfers from car to car, no matter what car you step into, and lasts a lifetime.
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Old 08-31-2008, 10:51 AM   #22
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I just want to add into this thread.

Right now I'm 24 years old, and I drive a decently modified WRX.

When I was 17 years old, my parents help me get an RSX Type-S just as long as I paid for it.

All I can say, is my parents made a deal. If I didn't get into any trouble or abuse the car, they would co-sign for me. But like most people have said here, you can say to yourself "Yeah that's not me, I won't street race. I won't drive stupid" etc. etc. But once you're in that situation, and especially having high school friends who basically influence you to do things. It's a lot different.

So like any 17-18 year old with a fast car, I did tons and tons of stupid things. Lessons be learned, a lot of money needlessly spent, etc.. I believe every 16-17-18 year old should definitely start with a lower end car. Then as you age up, upgrade as you go and get what you want.

Now sorry if it's making this thread seem like a "NoOo your too young, don't do it" kind of thread. But I believe everybody here who is giving you this advice is just looking out for you. Everyone can agree we'd rather see threads with "newb" questions, and not threads of "This person passed away" threads.
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Old 08-31-2008, 03:14 PM   #23
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It's not about winning or losing. The Miata's are going spank you even if you had a fully modified STi. Just go out there and have fun.
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Old 08-31-2008, 09:15 PM   #24
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If its Thunder hill near willows (chico) then take as many lessons as you can from the instructor (who drives an 04 Sti). He will make you ready for an Sti before you know it and you won't end up killing someone or yourself. Awesome driving school...............
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