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Old 09-03-2008, 12:32 AM   #1
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Default Borg Warner Turbos. Who is running them?

Ok I love the garrets but have been looking into the borg warners more and more. anyone running them? I have been looking at the twinscroll below.

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Borg Warner ETT 50 Trim T-3 .58/.76/.85 A/R
350-550 whp
$1,190.00


Borg Warner S256 T-3 .58/.76/.85 A/R
350-550 whp
$1,190.00


Borg Warner S258 T-3 .58/.76/.85 A/R
350-550 whp
$1,190.00


Borg Warner S359 T-3 Twin Scroll .58/.76/.85 A/R
500-650 whp
$1,020.00


Borg Warner S361 T-3 Twin Scroll .58/.76/.85 A/R
500-650 whp
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Borg Warner S362 T-3 Twin Scroll .58/.76/.85 A/R
500-650 whp
$1,105.00


Borg Warner S362 T-4 Twin Scroll .83 A/R
500-650 whp
$1,275.00


Borg Warner S366 T-3 Twin Scroll .58/.76/.85 A/R
650-800 whp
$1,275.00


Borg Warner S366 T-4 Twin Scroll .83 A/R
650-800 whp
$1,445.00


Borg Warner S465 Ti 1.32 A/R .80 A/R Add $300
650-900 whp
$1,912.50


Borg Warner S471 T-6 Twin Scroll 1.32 A/R
700-1000+ whp
$850.00


Borg Warner S471 T-6 Twin Scroll .80 A/R
700-1000+ whp
$1,445.00


Borg Warner S475 T-6 Twin Scroll 1.32 A/R
800-1100+ whp
$850.00


Borg Warner S475 T-6 Twin Scroll .80 A/R
800-1100+ whp
$1,445.00


Borg Warner S480 T-6 Twin Scroll 1.32 A/R
800-1100+ whp
$1,530.00


Borg Warner S480 T-6 Twin Scroll .80 A/R
800-1100+ whp
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1200-1500 whp
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Old 09-03-2008, 01:26 AM   #2
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not sure who runs them around here, but they do seem pretty popular on the supra forums.
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Old 09-03-2008, 04:28 AM   #3
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Im going to be running a twinscroll s366 with a .91a/r. You should look at fullrace's website. They seem to have a little better options for the borg stuff as far as the larger options are concerned.

You cant beat the pricing and the results are starting to look more and more comparable to the garrett stuff and from my understanding they are a little more reliable at higher boost levels which is why I will be making the jump from garrett to borg. Also they are rebuildable.
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Old 09-03-2008, 08:59 AM   #4
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or you can go here: http://www.boostfed.com/
tell Terry that Micah a.k.a. "big head" sent you

he has the full line up (if you call) and should give you a deal.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:39 AM   #5
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i heard borg warner turbos can support like 40-50 psi as opposed to the garrets who dont go as high..any truth to that?
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:44 AM   #6
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not sure who runs them around here, but they do seem pretty popular on the supra forums.
They indeed do, alot of hardcore garrett guys are switching over...
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Old 09-03-2008, 10:05 AM   #7
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fobiawrx is running a s374 (i think) on his 2.5. Check out his custom gt40r thread. it's a pretty Bad Azz foblight mounted setup.
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Old 09-03-2008, 12:58 PM   #8
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http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1589416
just randomly crossed this in the car gallery...Borg Warner S258 Turbo w/ .85ar Twinscroll Hotside
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Old 09-03-2008, 01:16 PM   #9
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The Garrett GT4294R will support 40+ PSI as well as the BW S372.

Lots of guys are switching over to the BW, but not many are going any faster.
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Hmm. I have heard that some of the BW turbos can spool faster than the comperable garret. would like one comperable to a gt4094r.
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Old 09-03-2008, 01:47 PM   #11
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Thanks everyone for the fast response!
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:31 PM   #12
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Hmm. I have heard that some of the BW turbos can spool faster than the comperable garret. would like one comperable to a gt4094r.
S366 is the borg you would want with a .91 a/r. That would compare to a 4094
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Thanks man. also is there a bigger one that would spool as fast as the 40r or 4094r?
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Hmm. I have heard that some of the BW turbos can spool faster than the comperable garret. would like one comperable to a gt4094r.
and that's blamed on the extended tip technology...now it would be really nice to cram a borg house and wheel on a garrett ball bearing CHRA
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:39 PM   #15
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S366 is the borg you would want with a .91 a/r. That would compare to a 4094
that 366 with a .91 is an excellent high power turbo. It fits like a 40R but generates 42R power. Its basically everything the 4094R should have been. The 366 will make more power than the garrett 4088R, but not spool quite as early. The GT4094R has not impressed me on any application we've tested (quite a few)

the 4088R is still one of my all time favorite high-power street turbos tho.. i cant say enough good things about this turbocharger
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Old 09-03-2008, 06:40 PM   #16
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and that's blamed on the extended tip technology...now it would be really nice to cram a borg house and wheel on a garrett ball bearing CHRA
i fail to understand how extended tips can make a turbo spool faster? In my experience the BW units spool faster becuase they are generally twinscroll and generally a better turbine:compressor match than many of the garretts they are compared against ie GT3040, GT4094, etc
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not seeing a .91 option in the locations i have been looking at for the s366 twinscroll.
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Old 09-03-2008, 11:31 PM   #18
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I've been looking at some borg turbos as well. It would be nice to run something different, I'm all about going against the grain as long as it performs. I've been looking for a good source and some more indepth detail on them. I'll be making my headers here soon, all my flanges just got done being drawn up from cad and I just approved the dimensions on them and gave the go ahead so they will be getting laser cut here soon. Using 1/2" stainless 304.

Borg Warner S362 T-3 Twin Scroll .85 A/R this looks fairly interesting
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Old 09-04-2008, 12:57 AM   #19
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not seeing a .91 option in the locations i have been looking at for the s366 twinscroll.

Go to fullrace website and look at their borg turbo's you will see the .91 s366. I believe it is $1285 or somewhere around there.
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ok found it. Though the BW-TS372 and BW-TS374 look tempting i might get one of those instead.
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i fail to understand how extended tips can make a turbo spool faster? In my experience the BW units spool faster becuase they are generally twinscroll and generally a better turbine:compressor match than many of the garretts they are compared against ie GT3040, GT4094, etc
sorry, I should have put [sarcams] around the first part is that's what was being spouted over the phone to me about 2 years ago when I first started looking into them. Didn't make sense then and still doesn't now...in fact, I would think that having the larger moment-arm (exducer diameter) on the compressor would have caused a slower spool...

as for the CHRA comment, I'd love to see the better turbo (borg) have a better/more freely spinning CHRA.
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Didn't make sense then and still doesn't now...in fact, I would think that having the larger moment-arm (exducer diameter) on the compressor would have caused a slower spool...
That's kind of what i've been wondering since i started looking at these turbos. The bigger than fan the more it takes to turn it i would think...
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then again, I never thought to take of the turbine and mic the inducer on the turbine for comparison sake...oh well, I have a 35r, for now.
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I think you have to look at it slightly differently. Just random numbers here, but for illustration purposes.

Garrett (non-extended tip wheel)
84mm exducer with the base of the fin being at the 84mm mark, regarded as an 84mm wheel

Borg Warrner (extended tip)
84mm diameter at the tip, 82mm diameter at the base, regarded as an 84mm wheel despite the 82mm baseplate

Since the baseplate is smaller (82mm vs. 84mm) but the tips are the same, the wheel has lower inertia. I don't think they are going off baseplate diameter but tip diameter. Take two wheels with the same baseplate diameter and the extended tip wheel will be heavier, all else being equal (which it never is).

I could be wrong on that, but that's the way I've taken it. It seems pretty locical though if much of the air does flow across the top of the wheel and the extended tip does allow a 84mm tip to tip wheel to perform like an 84mm non-extended tip wheel.

Just to toss this out there, I have heard rumor of a Garrett "GT2" series of wheels being in development and using the same type of extended tip wheels.

There is one other item I like about the Borg Warrner billet wheels. They tend to have smaller hub areas then the garretts. Smaller hubs should mean you can get away with a slightly smaller inducer for the same choke flow. Or to look at it the better way, a given inducer size should realize a higher power limit.
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now what you need to compare with the extended tip is how large the exducer is to the inducer (trim) in comparison to a garrett.
Your reasoning does make sense however, that having the tip extend past the plate does decrease the inertia of the blade while still delivering similar performance to the larger plated wheel.

Yes, the borgs also have a larger induction area with the same inducer diameter when compared to a garrett...I seem to recall the two companies having a decently large difference with trims for the same given inducer...IIRC
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