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Old 10-02-2008, 01:52 PM   #26
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Update 10-02-08: It has been a busy couple of weeks at the shop but we did manage to make some headway on the STI. All the injectors and fuel rails are installed and the fuel lines ran. We got the IC pipes back from powder coating and installed those as well. Next on the list is tackling the fuel system from the trunk to the engine bay. Below are a few pictures from the final installation of the IC pipes and the two sets of fuel rails and the 8 injectors.





APS aux fuel rail kit installed onto the APS TGV deletes with the Bosch 600cc inj.




Both sets of APS fuel rails one set holds PE 850cc and the other the Bosch 600cc secondary set.




Aeromotive adjustable bypass regulator




The reverse intake manifold pipes all done coated and installed.




This is the notches we made in one of the IC pipes in order to clear the alternator and still keep the AC.





Some other pictures of the IC pipes.


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Old 10-02-2008, 02:52 PM   #27
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This is a great build.

If it were me, I'd have that 1.06A/R housing on the standby just in case. I have a feeling that 500WHP just isn't going to happen on the .82A/R housing... especially considering the potential with the insanity of all that fuel lol.

What kind of dyno will this be tuned on? Any idea on stock STI numbers on said dyno?
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Old 10-02-2008, 03:15 PM   #28
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This is a great build.

If it were me, I'd have that 1.06A/R housing on the standby just in case. I have a feeling that 500WHP just isn't going to happen on the .82A/R housing... especially considering the potential with the insanity of all that fuel lol.

What kind of dyno will this be tuned on? Any idea on stock STI numbers on said dyno?
This car will be tuned on our in house mustang MD500 dyno. On the average a stock STI makes around 240ish WHP on our dyno. If for some reason we do not make the numbers the customer is looking for with the .82 housing the 1.06 will not be far behind.


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Old 10-02-2008, 07:25 PM   #29
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Very nice...

How are u controlling the 8 injectors?? i also bought the APS housing for the additional injector ports..

Im doing the same thing with my motec M800.. running 8x wrx top feed decapped injectors..

I had to get hadwired new imputs into the main board then feed them off to each injector.. Should hopefully work...


Do u think the notch in the IC piping will create turbulence of flow??
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:33 PM   #30
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Very nice! I was thinking the same thing as Tino said about the notches causing turbulence, but I'm sure you guys have it all figured out..

Sick build, APS FTW!
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:41 PM   #31
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You dont need to notch the piping to clear the a/c or alt. Theres a reversed manifold thread in the 2.5 liter forum. I would have tapped another port for the brake booster so you dont run all the way across the engine bay (thats what I did) Looks good other than that. Im still with my first response with you need the 1.06 housing.
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Old 10-02-2008, 08:03 PM   #32
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I have NEVER been so jealous in my life- SWEET build

can i get a redo
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Old 10-02-2008, 08:39 PM   #33
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Yeah I'm wondering if those notches will hurt airflow by causing turbulence. What's your input on that subject?
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:05 PM   #34
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Yeah I'm wondering if those notches will hurt airflow by causing turbulence. What's your input on that subject?


I am not worried about the notches at all creating turbulence. As far as not needing the notches there is minimal clearance with out them so to make sure there is no rubbing what so ever we added them.


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Old 10-03-2008, 12:09 PM   #35
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Very nice...

How are u controlling the 8 injectors?? i also bought the APS housing for the additional injector ports..

Im doing the same thing with my motec M800.. running 8x wrx top feed decapped injectors..

I had to get hadwired new imputs into the main board then feed them off to each injector.. Should hopefully work...


Do u think the notch in the IC piping will create turbulence of flow??
We are controlling the injectors with a Link G4 stand alone which has outputs to control them. We converted the APS kit over from batch firing and will wire them into the stand alone.


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Old 10-03-2008, 12:11 PM   #36
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this car better make more that 450whp.... i wanna see 550

i always see these badass motor builds and then the car only makes 450whp....

but great job guys, nice collection of parts
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:16 PM   #37
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Will you care to elaborate why you are not worried about the notches? I just want to understand it.

THanks.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:21 PM   #38
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I may have missed it, but the 500WHP goal is on what octane fuel?

Also, I'm still trying to understand the need for that much fuel? 850cc injectors with injection has enough headroom (personal experience, not talking out my ass)... I'm curious why you need 850ccx4 and 600ccx4 for fuel? If it's run primarily on race gas, then it's run leaner anyway and requires less fuel.

Anyway, just curious. Thanks.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:29 PM   #39
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I may have missed it, but the 500WHP goal is on what octane fuel?

Also, I'm still trying to understand the need for that much fuel? 850cc injectors with injection has enough headroom (personal experience, not talking out my ass)... I'm curious why you need 850ccx4 and 600ccx4 for fuel? If it's run primarily on race gas, then it's run leaner anyway and requires less fuel.

Anyway, just curious. Thanks.


We will make a 91oct map as well as 100oct with meth and 91 with meth. I am pretty sure this car will most of the time run on 100oct with meth. On smiler equipped cars that we have done we have run out of fuel with PE 850cc injectors before. For the most part this car will be a weekend track car and wanted to make sure that no matter what we did with the car fueling would not be a issue.

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Old 10-03-2008, 12:49 PM   #40
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^Cool. Thanks for the answer. Good luck with the rest of the build and the tuning.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:57 PM   #41
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How are you going to make sure that IC piping doesn't hit the alternator pulley? It looks awfully close to making contact. You should add a bracket that secures it to the alternator.
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I want an clarification as to why the notches aren't going to affect anything.
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I want an clarification as to why the notches aren't going to affect anything.

On a turbocharged (force inducted) vehicle, the intercooler piping has a constant charge when the turbo is in boost and a constant vacumme when not. This means for example, 15 psi is 15 psi with or without notches.

Notches effect air flow near the turbo inlet and near the Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor. If these notches were on the intake system (to the turbo) or near the MAF sensor then this would affect how the MAF reads which in turn would affect the fuel curve of the ECU map. This is because the ECU looks at the MAF sensor data to determine what the mass of air is when entering the engine.




I hope this anwsers your question.


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On a turbocharged (force inducted) vehicle, the intercooler piping has a constant charge when the turbo is in boost and a constant vacumme when not. This means for example, 15 psi is 15 psi with or without notches.

Notches effect air flow near the turbo inlet and near the Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor. If these notches were on the intake system (to the turbo) or near the MAF sensor then this would affect how the MAF reads which in turn would affect the fuel curve of the ECU map. This is because the ECU looks at the MAF sensor data to determine what the mass of air is when entering the engine.




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Yeah that makes sense. I'm just thinking about the swirl and airflow going into the heads but that matters at the runners. I see your point now.

You guys gonna start selling these notched pipes as a kit?
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Yeah that makes sense. I'm just thinking about the swirl and airflow going into the heads but that matters at the runners. I see your point now.

You guys gonna start selling these notched pipes as a kit?



If we get some demand for them we will. Its hard sometimes because everyone's turbo kit and intercooler combination is different so it throughs the measurements of the pipes off a little bit. We are thinking of making turbo kit specific ones like for TSR70 ktis with the APS front mount or the Perrin kit with the APS front mount.

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Care elaborating how you did the notches so i can do mine when I get to that point? They don't look to be welded on.
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Care elaborating how you did the notches so i can do mine when I get to that point? They don't look to be welded on.


They are welded what we did was once the pipe was finished we measure out and cut the wholes then heated up the pieces of metal that were cut out and bent them upwards then welded them back into the place. The overall diameter of the pipe is 2.5 in at the top of the notch its a diameter of 2.3 inches so the notch is not is not that big but just enough to make sure that while the engine is vibrating and moving it does not rub against the inter cooler pipe. Shoot me your email and I can send you some more pictures that I do not have posted here.


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insane build, can't wait to see the numbers. keep up the good work!
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