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Old 01-14-2013, 11:27 PM   #1
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First and foremost let me say that I was a vendor on here, and I have not renewed my vendor status because of this situation, my company is AnarchyMotive. Also anyone that knows me or has bought a knob from me knows how much I go to the ends of the earth for my clients and do everything to make it right and make them happy. I did not buy this as a vendor on here, at the time I bought it I wasn't in business and I wasn't selling my knobs on the forum.

So through my contact with Jonathan Vong (JonMotoring, ForceWerkz, CuzImChinese) he says yea I have a kit with red couplers, I'll sell you it. I'm like cool. Sounds good. Then I wait about 3 weeks and I ask him if he still has it, he goes no, but I have one with blue couplers and he sends me this picture. Obviously you can tell this is like the good FMS/IIR kit, the endtanks mount at the top, etc. So I'm like OK good to go. When I pick the kit up he is telling me how he just started this company ForceWerkz making lips and he got them into IIR and they are carrying them and how he's a distributor for the FMS stuff that IIR makes and all this stuff. So I have confidence in this guy.


After I get the kit I send the pipes to my powdercoater to have them all coated so when I am ready to install everything looks perfect and I'm good to go. Get the pipes back about a week ago. Last Friday I go to install the new kit, since I have a tune date on Saturday. Looks beautiful right?


Here's where things get fun. Install the crash beam, that's no problem, I mount the intercooler according to the mounts and brackets. As I'm looking at it I am remembering pictures of the kit from other threads and I'm like the core is upside down, something doesn't seem right. I go to mock the piping up and NOTHING is lining up. The core is clearly wrong and the piping does not fit. So I get on the phone with Jonathan, and he's like "well you just have to cut the piping up to make it work." I'm like, uh no, I just spent money getting it coated, I don't really want to cut it apart. So through a bit of creativity I figure out on the cold side I can use some of my piping from my RacerX kit and some from the FMS/IIR kit and get the cold side working. So I get that bolted up. Start on the hot side and it's not even CLOSE. So far apart, I tried everything. I spent about 4 hours working on the hot side piping. I just gave up. Couldn't get it to bolt up at all. So I get on the phone with Jonathan and he tells me he wants to work with me, he'll do whatever I need to help me make it work and yada yada yada. Thats basically where we left it Friday, I told him the kit didn't work and that I was putting my old kit on. I texted him as I left my buddies garage and got no response.

Saturday while I was at COBB I texted him many times asking what the deal was. Emailed him trying to get a response. I got nothing from him.

Sunday I emailed and texted again, asking nicely what we could do, if he could help me out. Got no response.

Monday rolls around. I text and email in the morning. Got no response. So I decide on my way to work, that I was going to call him. Low and behold, he answers the phone! He basically tells me that I am up ****s creek because I tried to install it and I should have known before hand that it wouldn't work. Not sure how that's possible. But then he tells me that he can't do anything about it because I had the piping powdercoated. That it is basically my fault it doesn't fit because I had the piping powdercoated. Also not sure how a coating on the piping caused them to not be the correct bends. He tells me that the manufacturer won't take it back because I had it coated, I tell him that sometimes in business you have to take a loss, because you made a mistake on a kit. It's not your customers fault. He tells me the kit is correct, I tell him it's not even what he sent me a picture of. That the core is incorrect. So I said, I'll send you pics, and go talk with your manufacturer and get back to me. It's now Wednesday and I haven't gotten any response from him. I have emailed asking what the deal is and texted as well.

Here are pics of my core.




So I have spent hours trying to get my money back from this guy.

He creates a vendor account on here and is selling parts to people, he will not respond to my texts, emails, PMs, facebook messages, or calls.

So in 2012 I decided I would take him to small claims court, I had him personally served by a process server. He didn't even bother coming to court. In case anyone is wondering there is a case number for OC Small Claims Court (30-2012-00602136-SC-SC-HLH) you can feel free to look the case up. So I won the case and I have a judgment against him. He still will not respond to any of my communication attempts. I am hoping that this thread will get his attention and he will actually pay me and get this over with.

Do not buy from this guy, he is not trustworthy and he will screw you over. He does not operate his business as a business. He just does whatever he wants. According the California Secretary of State he is not actually a legal company, I am not sure how he became a vendor on here and frankly I don't care, I just want my money back and I just want people to be aware. Do not buy from this guy.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:25 AM   #2
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Also should add that I have an email chain from ImportImage confronting Jonathan about the sale of the kit as an FMS kit and he even admits in his email that it is not an FMS kit, but a knock off of that kit.

Just want to add that this is not an actual FMS kit, it is not from IIR. He does not get these kits from IIR or FMS. He has these kits made in China or wherever and sells them as FMS so he can sell them.

My last email contact from him was 8/17/12. This guy is shady as hell, please do not buy from him.
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Old 01-17-2013, 03:20 AM   #3
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Damn that sucks man, I'll steer clear of him. Hope everything works out for you in the end.
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Old 01-17-2013, 01:11 PM   #4
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Damn that sucks man, I'll steer clear of him. Hope everything works out for you in the end.
I just hope no one else gets ripped off by this guy.
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Old 01-20-2013, 02:30 PM   #5
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don't get duped by this guy.
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:30 PM   #6
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I was about to get some coilovers from this guy. Guess I'll look for another vendor.
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Old 02-12-2013, 11:18 AM   #7
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Thanks for the heads up -- he was trying to sell me some "ForceWerkz" products. Staying far far away from him now.

Looking to deal with "BlueSubie01" - anyone have any experience with him?
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Old 02-18-2013, 07:29 PM   #8
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don't get duped by this guy.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:41 PM   #9
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Do not buy from this guy, he is not trustworthy and he will screw you over. He does not operate his business as a business. He just does whatever he wants. According the California Secretary of State he is not actually a legal company, I am not sure how he became a vendor on here and frankly I don't care, I just want my money back and I just want people to be aware. Do not buy from this guy.

I wanted to clear this up

He has a VALID Seller's Permit from the state of California.


the other stuff I have no comment on.
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Old 06-04-2013, 06:50 PM   #10
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I wanted to clear this up

He has a VALID Seller's Permit from the state of California.

the other stuff I have no comment on.
6 months later and you guys finally comment to defend this guy, even after all the proof i furnished. Really speaks to the state of this forum :rollseyes:
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:31 AM   #11
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6 months later and you guys finally comment to defend this guy, even after all the proof i furnished. Really speaks to the state of this forum :rollseyes:
you have proof that he doesn't have a legit business?

please feel free to sent it to me. If you had a problem with him, you should have contacted me directly (as a former vendor you should know that)

also, under 4 months.
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Old 06-05-2013, 08:41 AM   #12
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you have proof that he doesn't have a legit business?

please feel free to sent it to me. If you had a problem with him, you should have contacted me directly (as a former vendor you should know that)

also, under 4 months.
4 and a half months...either way.

a business based in california must be registered with the california secretary of state. http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/ at that site, you can search his business name.

anyone can have a sellers permit in california, you don't actually have to have a legal business to have a sellers permit. if you research his business name on there he doesn't actually show up under corporation or LLC entity name. there is nothing under JonMotoring or Jon Motoring or anything. people that sell oranges on the side of the road are required to get a permit to sell, but they aren't legitimate businesses, all the permit does is tell the city who is selling what in their area. doesn't actual require them to pay taxes or fees, or be responsible when they screw people over, like in this case and a few others that people have PMed me about.

also for what it's worth i did contact you, i had a long PM and email train, you were the one that told me to post this. i left my vendor status out of it, as you asked me to do. AND you and i talked long before 1/14, so the timeline is a bit skewed in my mind. i ended up suing him (and winning, he still owes me the money back) back in December.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:10 AM   #13
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is there no sole proprietorship status that makes it a valid entity in CA? BTW, the seller's permit is under 'J-Motoring'.

anyway, you are of course correct about our PM chain and I did tell you to post this. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:21 AM   #14
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is there no sole proprietorship status that makes it a valid entity in CA? BTW, the seller's permit is under 'J-Motoring'.

anyway, you are of course correct about our PM chain and I did tell you to post this. Sorry for the confusion.
it would show up under Business Entity on that site. every business based in CA has to register with the S.O.S.

it's all good man. thanks for bumping the thread though haha
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Old 07-30-2013, 01:45 PM   #15
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i just ordered a front lip from his site, then tumbled upon this thread , it was the $180 HD style one, if anything sketchy happens ill report it to paypal and get my cash back...
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Old 08-06-2013, 03:05 AM   #16
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That sucks.
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:00 AM   #17
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I was looking at his diffusers and thought the name jon motoring sounded familiar.

Also thought it was sketchy how jon motoring has the same exact pictures as union performance. what does this guy have like 3 vendor accounts?

I'll just have to save up and look for a legit rear diffuser.

free bump to keep this guy out of sales.

That front mount sucked donkey balls!!!
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Old 01-08-2014, 10:57 AM   #18
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yep, hands down the worst install we've ever done man.

he's mixed in with a lot of knock off parts. people keep paying for em though...
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Old 01-20-2014, 04:26 PM   #19
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I was looking at his diffusers and thought the name jon motoring sounded familiar.

Also thought it was sketchy how jon motoring has the same exact pictures as union performance. what does this guy have like 3 vendor accounts?

I'll just have to save up and look for a legit rear diffuser.

free bump to keep this guy out of sales.

That front mount sucked donkey balls!!!
Looks to be using members pictures as reference for his products but its not the actual product he is selling: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ght=forcewerkz
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Old 01-22-2014, 01:59 PM   #20
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So this guy is also Union Performance and Forcewerkz? I was thinking of grabbing the CS style side skirts that Forcewerkz offers...

Maybe now I won't. Can anyone confirm?
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:05 PM   #21
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No, I believe Union Performance is a different company all together. But they get their parts from Forcewerkz, which is where this guy is.
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I came close in buying his stuffs. You saved my life.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:30 PM   #23
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I'm glad people are seeing this.

Over a year later, I still haven't gotten my money back. I do still have a judgement against him in CA.
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:36 PM   #24
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Is forcewerkZ and Jon two different people?
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Old 01-22-2014, 02:38 PM   #25
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Not as far as I can tell. He kept saying he started the company and that he was ForceWerkz.
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