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Old 09-20-2008, 05:00 PM   #1
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Rally Stuff Driving from London -> Scotland -> Wales -> London. Where to drive/stop?

Another rally guy and I are going to the colin mcrae memorial rally in Perth next saturday.

We are flying into London on friday at noon and driving up in a econobox to perth, scotland using the m1/a1 up, an 8 hour drive. Rally is on saturday. Then were driving down to Wales on the 74 to stay with whiskers for a few days, then driving back to london for a return flight out on friday.

Other than saturday and a few days in wales, our schedule is completely open. Where should we stop/drive/stay/eat/take back?


I've explored all the touristy stuff in london a few years back. We kind of want to drive the fun roads (theres a topgear episode about them we're locating), see the small towns, maybe a castle or 3, and the countryside.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:05 PM   #2
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Look for my thread on a road trip starting in London. It's going the wrong direction for you, but you may be able to work around that.
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England is dumb... didn't you know?
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:09 PM   #4
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Ill look for the thread.

Also, should we buy a cheap cellphones to use there? we have tmobile, do they have cheap way for us to use them over there?


edit: tmobile shows roaming in UK is .99 a minute.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:15 PM   #5
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I stopped at a gas station (was in a diesel, so just one stop) and drove on the road.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:20 PM   #6
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Ill look for the thread.

Also, should we buy a cheap cellphones to use there? we have tmobile, do they have cheap way for us to use them over there?


edit: tmobile shows roaming in UK is .99 a minute.
is your phone unlocked, just purchase a UK sim card with prepaid minutes instead of paying thru the nose for tmobiles intl roaming rates.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:22 PM   #7
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it looks like itll be $40 just to unlock my Dash. I don't plan on using it for chatting. So maybe Ill just bring it and realize its a buck a minute. or text for 35 cents each.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:30 PM   #8
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Where are you picking up the rental? If you really want to not think about the cost for calling people, get it unlocked, go to any mobile provider and pick up a pay as you go sim for 10. Should get 75 minutes or so of calls for that amount.

If you just go off of the M roads, most of them are pretty fun. You don't really have to go out of your way to have any fun.

Would definitely recommend seeing Dover castle. Its over the top of the town and pretty impressive, although rather slippery when its raining.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:39 PM   #9
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so for 60 bucks I can get 75 minutes. Might just be less hassle to pay 60 bucks and get 60 minutes :X Then I can still use the internet/email and such (though it is $15 a meg)

We will probably pick the car up at heathrow
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:42 PM   #10
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You know, if you had registered at a certain place MOST of them are from England and could tell you more.....but NOOO! PM is too good for them.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:52 PM   #11
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Im registered there, and was browsing the forums 2 days ago

I have a diff username there though.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:56 PM   #12
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http://forums.sidc.co.uk/

Ask those asshats. They adopted me when I was in Faslane for 4 days and will do so again this spring when I return.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:58 PM   #13
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oh man, I'm not sure.


I can only picture it ending up like the reverse of some new member from the UK coming to OT asking for help
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Old 09-20-2008, 07:15 PM   #14
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Ok, listen up, spakker.

Take the M1/A1 to Newcastle, follow it around to the A696->A68 through the National Park to Edinburgh, a v.cool road, then take the Forth road bridge and on to Perth.

Come the same way back to Newcastle. Stay overnight in the city centre, be amazed that the waterfront is still bouncing at 2am and the girls wear skirts like belts even though it's cold. The girls have an accent to die for there. Google 'Bigg Market'.

Take the A1/M1 south to Durham then take the A690/A698 across the Pennines to the M6 at Penrith. Immense road. Down to Wales. Find the EVO triangle. Warning:the police in North Wales are fascists, and the welsh are a bunch of c***s.
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So far this is what our route looks to be: Google maps
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Old 09-20-2008, 07:47 PM   #16
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Hmm, I'd avoid Glasgow and the M74, dull as f***. Also yopur route through Wales is a little boring.

I'd suggest:


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=e...3,7.503662&z=8
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Old 09-20-2008, 07:56 PM   #17
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Yeah I'm not sure where in wales he lives so I just picked a random point.

What about money. Do I go to wells fargo in the US and get euros (and do i want pounds as well?) or do I just go to an ATM and get hit with the $5 plus 3% WF fees, or find a bank over there and exchange US cash?
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Old 09-20-2008, 09:39 PM   #18
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What about money. Do I go to wells fargo in the US and get euros (and do i want pounds as well?) or do I just go to an ATM and get hit with the $5 plus 3% WF fees, or find a bank over there and exchange US cash?
We used credit cards wherever possible, and got cash from ATM's when we visited the UK. You are going to get raped hard on the exchange rate, ATM fees will be the least of your worries:

1 U.S. dollar = 0.545167094 British pounds. You don't need to bother with Euros.

And keep in mind that most stuff is numerically equivalent to stuff in the US over there .... so a beer that costs 4 is setting you back $8. Then when you fill up the tank for 120p/liter (or 1.20/liter), you are paying something like $9-10/gallon. Get the most fuel-efficient car you can, a 10 gallon fill up is going to cost you roughly $100. And if you or your buddy can't drive a manual, you need to request an automatic. They assume everyone can drive a manual (the way it should be )

If you are staying in hotels, make sure to keep your receipts and submit the form to get the VAT refunded. It's a significant amount of money you can get back, thanks to those people who told the King to go away so many years ago

As for sightseing, castles are good in Wales, we stayed in Tenby when we went there for a vacation once, that was pretty good, too. Also your route will take you close to Bath (Roman baths), Salisbury Cathedral and Stonehenge. Depending on what you want out of a vaction, these may or may not interest you. Also, there are lots of small shops in the Cotswalds which carry antique pewter crap, my wife and her aunt went nutty there -- and I should have gone "drinky".

Still, though, even with the crappy exchange rate, England is still a cool place to visit. I enjoyed both of my trips thoroughly, and would like to go back again -- although that would have to be something where we can drop the kids off with the grandparents or after we hit the lottery if we took the kiddos, too

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Another rally guy and I are going to the colin mcrae memorial rally in Perth next saturday.
You lucky lucky barsteward!
I saw the entry list for this rally the other and would love to go and watch.

Have fun!
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Caerphilly Castle, Caerphilly, Wales

The biggest in the country and second biggest in the UK; completed 1271 AD by my ancestors, the de Clares (my grandmother, Keridwyn, was raised in Caerphilly, so my Mom is first generation American), and that tower has been leaning like that since a battle in 1648!
Have fun, and don't forget to drive on the 'wrong' side of the road (it's harder than it seems, especially when it's just you, in the middle of nowhere, on a winding country road).
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PS- Ali G visits Wales & the Castle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZlJiOvXsU

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Old 09-20-2008, 11:17 PM   #21
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OK, you're going to spend a shiite-load on petrol, so you probably just want to buy noodles to eat. Really.

I usually stop at Little Chef or whatever to eat at the motorway services.

I would just hook up with the SIDC guys as suggested, big fun.

Scotland is a LONG drive from London. You'll hit all kinds of motorway traffic, be prepared for a late arrival the night you get in.

Definitely go to Edinburgh Castle if you have time. Also the Wallace Monument in Stirling is worth a visit (many steps!) - his broadsword (at least they think it is) is there.

Wales is great, hopefully you'll spend some time in south Wales. Cardiff is always a good place to go. All kinds of interesting Roman and other stuff to see there, plus the odd Dalek or two.
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Old 09-20-2008, 11:54 PM   #22
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Hmm, 1100 miles, we're getting a manual econobox 1.2ish liter, so 35 mpg I'll assume, = 315 bucks if it is $10 a gallon. Split by 2-3 people that should be ok, for driving all round the island.

We arrive at heathrow at noon and will go directly north. will traffic be that bad at 2pmish? once out of london area will we hit any other traffic spots?
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The Scottish SIDC folks took me to the Wallace Monument....very cool. And remember....English pounds are NOT Scottish pounds...they have two different monies over there
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Caerphilly Castle, Caerphilly, Wales

The biggest in the country and second biggest in the UK; completed 1271 AD by my ancestors, the de Clares (my grandmother, Keridwyn, was raised in Caerphilly, so my Mom is first generation American), and that tower has been leaning like that since a battle in 1648!
Have fun, and don't forget to drive on the 'wrong' side of the road (it's harder than it seems, especially when it's just you, in the middle of nowhere, on a winding country road).
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PS- Ali G visits Wales & the Castle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZlJiOvXsU
Is that surrounded by a large moat? I remember visiting Wales once when I was younger, and we stopped at a castle that was almost right in the middle of some town, and it had a huge moat that we couldn't cross. Can't remember the name of it. We went to Cardiff and some other southern areas, and I do remember a place called Tinturn Abbey that was very cool.
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We arrive at heathrow at noon and will go directly north. will traffic be that bad at 2pmish? once out of london area will we hit any other traffic spots?
Well you'll take M4/A4 (?) to M25 and then clockwise on M25 to M1, and you can get held up on the M25 at pretty much any time of the day (trust me). M1 prob not so bad once you get out of London but you may hit some rush hour traffic on the way up.

But you're doing the right thing, get out of London ASAP and head north.

When I went to Scotland I went for the weekend as I was already in London and flew up and then rented a car at Edinburgh airport. It was a football weekend so airports were a little crazy but had a nice time.

Watch out for the haggis.

On my last trip I rented a Focus ST2, turbo, 222HP, Recaros etc. I think I spent $200 in one day on petrol, just to Cardiff and back.
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