5mt case reinforcement is go - Page 13

James Gt EB · 06-27-2009, 05:10 AM

Im keen on a set please.. (5MT non STI - GC8).
What is the price on a set ?? (please remember the exchange rate is not in SAs favour..!!)
You can PM me if you like.
What will shipping cost to Cape Town South Africa

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Scooby-ohses · 06-28-2009, 08:32 AM

Still interested to see where things are, any word on the 06 wrx fitment?

kwan_1104 · 06-28-2009, 10:17 AM

the reinforcement plate will fit the 06 wrx as I have one on my car

jhargis · 07-04-2009, 09:43 PM

Hi guys... Good news and bad news.

My bolt supplier discontinued one of the more important bolts needed to install both the plate and diff brace. They're no longer making 200mm M10 bolts in small runs to stock... I'd have to order something like 1000+ of them in a custom run from now on before they'd even be willing to give me the time of day. Yay me for designing a new product just as the world economy goes to shambles, great timing!

Problem is I can't find anybody else that will supply these bolts in small numbers, so it's back to the drawing board.

The good news... I'm already finishing a mock-up of a one piece reinforcement plate to go on the driver's side of the trans. This will serve as both a diff brace and to strengthen the case around gears 1-5. The single plate will surround the entire passenger side of the diff and extend over the section of the case that houses gears 1-5. The same 1/4" cold-rolled high tensile steel plate will be used.

It will be designed specifically to fit all 8-bolt 5mt transmissions (in the USDM, that is 1998 and newer, all WRX models included), and will be installable with the trans in the car utilizing the stock trans bolts. I have a 4-bolt trans on my own car, so I will confirm fitment on that as well (for pre-1998 cars).

Since this design will not use 200mm bolt lengths in class 10.9, I still may be able to get a class 10.9 bolt set together to replace the stock hardware as well, so I'll be looking into that too.

The plastic mock-up will be finished tonight, and I'll have a steel prototype ready tomorrow. Will post pics of the new product soon.

A big "Thank you" goes out to the folks who already have the original reinforcements on their cars... Looks like you folks will be a fairly exclusive bunch!

tom@kartboy · 07-04-2009, 09:59 PM

Email me. i got a good hookup for hardware here in SD. they make a few custom bolts i use.

Tom

jhargis · 07-05-2009, 06:12 PM

Thanks Tom!

E-mail sent

wrxn wagn · 07-06-2009, 01:24 AM

+1 interested in the brace, can you PM me a price range? 5mt non sti.
Thanks!

Rickyh · 07-06-2009, 01:59 AM

I am ready to purchase as soon as you have product available.

D Money · 07-19-2009, 01:05 PM

are these almost done? I want them, STILL!

hybrid gti 2 · 07-19-2009, 02:13 PM

Well I am waiting to see what you got going. Trans is out for repair. I am currently replacing the case. Need a case with 177k on it?

jhargis · 07-20-2009, 01:40 PM

I have a plastic prototype complete (easier to work with than steel for modeling it)... Fits on my 4 bolt case too, so it will work with both case styles.

I'm just waiting for some coupling nuts to come in. I have to get them custom made in 10mm x 1.25, so that's a pain in the rear, and the lead time on those was a week. As soon as those come in thurs. or fri., I'll complete a steel proto and the couple of jigs I'll use to build it, then slap a 5mt in my test fixture to make sure it works like it's supposed to. I'm hoping to have something ready to build in a few weeks and something ready to sell a week or so after that. This design uses less parts and is easier to build, plus one plate will cover the diff and the case reinforcement, so it should be a bit cheaper altogether as well.

Basically, you can use the factory hardware or I'm also putting together class 10.9 sets in factory sizes. Using factory bolts it will be installable on the car, but you'd probably have to remove the trans to get the factory bolts out and replace with class 10.9 pieces. How it works: On some of the case bolts instead of the factory nuts, you'd install coupling nuts (standoffs). Then the plate bolts to those coupling nuts... It's neat lookin' too, the axle fits through a big hole in the plate and the plate will bolt to the case both above and below the axle, so it provides support around the entire case structure behind the diff carrier.

kwan_1104 · 07-20-2009, 09:47 PM

So basicaly, it can be installed without dropping the tranny if factory bolts were used, correct?
and if one chooses to use the 10.9 bolts, they would have to drop the tranny.

Also, for people who already have the very first design reinforcement plate (ver.1), will they be compatible?

jhargis · 07-21-2009, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kwan_1104

So basicaly, it can be installed without dropping the tranny if factory bolts were used, correct?
and if one chooses to use the 10.9 bolts, they would have to drop the tranny.

Also, for people who already have the very first design reinforcement plate (ver.1), will they be compatible?

Correct.

And indeed, you could "sandwich" the transmission between one of the original plates and one of the new ones as it will be installed on the opposite side for an even greater degree of reinforcement

xdrian · 08-31-2009, 12:13 AM

i still havent gotten to test your brace yet. when i do, ill have something close to 600+hp and a triple disk..... we will see how my ppg gearset will hold up as well

here is some progress on my motor

subieguru · 08-31-2009, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axelthrasher

Not trying to crap on your thread or anything, but my take on the situation is that the ONLY 5 speed trans' that will benefit from this is the guys running some beefy ass straight cut gears. Even with MFactory and RA gear sets - the problem is still strength of the actual gears. I blew my 3rd gear in my trans (and my stock gears were cryo treated and shot peened as I lost a set previous to that set.), so they were replaced with RAs (the original ones that were still decent). When everything was pulled apart - the case was still fine, and this is after it's 2nd gear set that blew up in it.

I still plan on doing PPG straight cuts in my gear box, but I am trying to make my RAs last as long as I can. So, I was wondering if you were looking at the situation of how this could make the gears actually last longer? Given that the aluminum used in the trans cases sucks, it seems that cases cracking isn't nearly as common. Do you think that these braces will help prevent gears sliping leading to gears breaking? Or is your stance that the actual cases are flexing allowing the input shaft to move enough to damage the gears?

maybe you are going through so many gear sets cuz you abuse your car! hense your name alexthrasher.... iv'e been a subaru master tech for 5 eyars now and i agree they are not sting trans but abuse is why they fail. i have a customer with a 470hp gt35 03 wrx with a stock 5 speed he's been running it for 3 years now but he knows how to drive it. granted he cant launch it at high rpm but its still fast as hell.....

wrx07 · 08-31-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdrian

i still havent gotten to test your brace yet. when i do, ill have something close to 600+hp and a triple disk..... we will see how my ppg gearset will hold up as well

here is some progress on my motor

is the ppg gearset a dogbox or sycro box?

Yulri · 08-31-2009, 11:10 PM

im interested in this... seems like theres been some time off from the op going into this thread and i've been reading for some more involvement from ds1 but havent seen it so far... Based on the earlier projected cost this doesnt seem that bad an investment. Perhaps this and some stiffer transmission mounts wouldnt do to bad at all...

xdrian · 09-01-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrx07

is the ppg gearset a dogbox or sycro box?

i have a suyncro box

jhargis · 09-01-2009, 04:58 PM

Hey, looks like that engine will be able to put a gearbox through its paces!

Yeah, production has been on a bit of a hiatus while I redesigned the plate to be installable with the transmission in the car. The new plate looks pretty good, I have the original proto hanging up in the paint enclosure right now in fact. Everything fits together really nicely, and there's plenty of room to spare when you're on your back under a car installing the thing.

Actually I'm working on the first run... I'm making 8 of them, It's a small run just to kind kick things back off and work out any of the little kinks I come across in production. I should have them ready to go by the beginning of next week.

For those who are interested, I'll post up a pic of the new plate when I get home from work.

Rickyh · 09-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Having torn up one 5mt already, I am ready to try this!

wrx07 · 09-01-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdrian

i have a suyncro box

Im going with helical 1-4 andrew tech custom ratio ppg's...so I'll prolly get in on this as well. Hopefully your testing goes well.

brain juice · 09-02-2009, 09:31 AM

jhargis is a great guy and was very patient answering my questions.

A true asset to the Subaru community!!

quazimoto · 09-02-2009, 10:22 AM

What is the price going to be for the new one? I all about this as well!

amelnikov · 09-02-2009, 10:35 PM

Yeah, I could definitely use one of those.

Alex...

hybrid gti 2 · 09-03-2009, 01:34 AM

Waiting for a product. Ready to torture test it

600hp on syncro box ppg's ouch. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

07-04-2009, 09:43 PM	#304
jhargis Scooby Specialist Member#: 110304 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Crestline, CA Vehicle: 2004 Volvo S60R No more Subie	Hi guys... Good news and bad news. My bolt supplier discontinued one of the more important bolts needed to install both the plate and diff brace. They're no longer making 200mm M10 bolts in small runs to stock... I'd have to order something like 1000+ of them in a custom run from now on before they'd even be willing to give me the time of day. Yay me for designing a new product just as the world economy goes to shambles, great timing! Problem is I can't find anybody else that will supply these bolts in small numbers, so it's back to the drawing board. The good news... I'm already finishing a mock-up of a one piece reinforcement plate to go on the driver's side of the trans. This will serve as both a diff brace and to strengthen the case around gears 1-5. The single plate will surround the entire passenger side of the diff and extend over the section of the case that houses gears 1-5. The same 1/4" cold-rolled high tensile steel plate will be used. It will be designed specifically to fit all 8-bolt 5mt transmissions (in the USDM, that is 1998 and newer, all WRX models included), and will be installable with the trans in the car utilizing the stock trans bolts. I have a 4-bolt trans on my own car, so I will confirm fitment on that as well (for pre-1998 cars). Since this design will not use 200mm bolt lengths in class 10.9, I still may be able to get a class 10.9 bolt set together to replace the stock hardware as well, so I'll be looking into that too. The plastic mock-up will be finished tonight, and I'll have a steel prototype ready tomorrow. Will post pics of the new product soon. A big "Thank you" goes out to the folks who already have the original reinforcements on their cars... Looks like you folks will be a fairly exclusive bunch! Last edited by jhargis; 07-04-2009 at 09:52 PM.

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