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Old 12-12-2008, 12:48 PM   #176
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Old 12-12-2008, 03:08 PM   #177
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lookin good keep up the good work!
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Old 12-15-2008, 12:53 AM   #178
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bump for updates!

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Old 12-15-2008, 12:57 AM   #179
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How can i buy one of these dang things???
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Old 12-15-2008, 10:39 AM   #180
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Dylan @ DS1 will have the production part in his hands in a couple of days, at which point he'll be getting a vendor thread started. You will be able to get these through DS1 Motorsports.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:16 AM   #181
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What im wondering is if this brace will really make a difference... I mean Is there any insight on that? Im really would like to pick up one if its going to help
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:42 AM   #182
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I know this thread is getting pretty long, but if you look back through it, there is some insight on this subject. The plate does measurably decrease torsional flex in the case and the diff brace made a pretty big difference in limiting expansion of the front diff housing portion of the case as well.

Whether or not this will translate to lower instances of failure remains to be seen... Although reducing flex is generally going to be a good thing. I don't want people to think these braces are the do-all/end-all products to make a bullet proof 5mt, but it does give the fairly flexble case a better foundation, and keeping the bearings better aligned and more stable certainly has good potential in making the 5mt at least marginally stronger.

My expectations of the product are as follows: I think the plate will at least add a marginal increase in over-all stregnth. This is because it will help keep the main and driven shafts in line with each other, where I found the otherwise stock case to have insufficient torsional rigidity even at stock torque. I expect the diff brace to make a pretty noticable difference for the higher horsepower crowd with aftermarket gears. Some of these guys are blowing the front diff clean out of it's bearing races or cracking the case at the driver's side diff bearing section. This is a big enough problem that DS1 has requested that I start working on a 2nd diff brace for the passenger's side of the trans as well. However, I wouldn't aim the diff braces only at the high power cars... This section of the case is so flexible that I suspect it would be a good idea to add reinforcement at any power level, stock or above.

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Old 12-15-2008, 12:08 PM   #183
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My expectations of the product are as follows: I think the plate will at least add a marginal increase in over-all stregnth. This is because it will help keep the main and driven shafts in line with each other, where I found the otherwise stock case to have insufficient torsional rigidity even at stock torque. I expect the diff brace to make a pretty noticable difference for the higher horsepower crowd with aftermarket gears. Some of these guys are blowing the front diff clean out of it's bearing races or cracking the case at the driver's side diff bearing section. This is a big enough problem that DS1 has requested that I start working on a 2nd diff brace for the passenger's side of the trans as well. However, I wouldn't aim the diff braces only at the high power cars... This section of the case is so flexible that I suspect it would be a good idea to add reinforcement at any power level, stock or above.

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Old 12-15-2008, 01:52 PM   #184
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I heart this thread!!!
Glad to hear it!

I get kind of frustrated when companies promise way more than their product can deliver and show no data whatsoever to back their claim (even if that never happens in modern advertising ). So I'm trying to present these as honestly as I can. I really personally think these will help stregnthen the transmission as a whole, but by the same token I don't want to present them as more than they are: simply a stronger foundation for the gears to sit on. Thanks for the kind words!
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Old 12-15-2008, 03:53 PM   #185
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I really personally think these will help stregnthen the transmission as a whole, but by the same token I don't want to present them as more than they are: simply a stronger foundation for the gears to sit on. Thanks for the kind words!
After reading about your findings on case flex, i think this is a very big deal. I realize that your testing isn't be all end all, but with that simple of a rig showing some case flex... you've gotta kinda accept that it DOES happen in certain conditions, and keeping it to a minimum is important. I wouldn't be surprised if these braces will add 50-75 lb/ft of power holding capacity to a given gearset. Maybe even more to a stronger one like ppg's where the case itself is breaking. I CAN'T wait for these braces!
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Old 12-15-2008, 08:45 PM   #186
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anything for 07's i want this reinforcement for my tranny :
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:26 AM   #187
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anything for 07's i want this reinforcement for my tranny :
There's a pretty good chance these will fit. DS1 will have the production part in hand shortly and Dylan will likely be able to confirm that for me. I don't have an '06+ case to fit it against to check... Though I should have an answer for you soon.
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:31 AM   #188
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...I CAN'T wait for these braces!
Almost there! Here's the 1st production run of 10 reinforcement plates sitting on my layout table. All the machining is done, so now I just have to do the welding and give them a pretty paint job.

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Old 12-16-2008, 08:39 AM   #189
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Almost there! Here's the 1st production run of 10 reinforcement plates sitting on my layout table. All the machining is done, so now I just have to do the welding and give them a pretty paint job.

Do you already have all of the 10.9 grade hardware to go with them?
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Old 12-16-2008, 10:13 AM   #190
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Do you already have all of the 10.9 grade hardware to go with them?
I pulled my spare 5mt apart last night to get exact measurements on all of the individual bolts that will make up the full bolt kit, so I'll be getting in touch with my suppler to get that stuff ordered up in a couple of hours.

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Old 12-16-2008, 10:34 AM   #191
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Almost there! Here's the 1st production run of 10 reinforcement plates sitting on my layout table. All the machining is done, so now I just have to do the welding and give them a pretty paint job.

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Old 12-16-2008, 11:06 AM   #192
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Old 12-16-2008, 03:03 PM   #193
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is there a pre-order list i have get onto?
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Old 12-16-2008, 05:07 PM   #194
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is there a pre-order list i have get onto?
I'm not sure to be honest. I guess it depends on how the guys @ DS1 want to handle it. So far, we're just sort of playing it by ear. I suppose you could give Dylan or Jeff a call over there and see if they're setting something up for pre-orders.

IIRC, you asked about fitment on an '06 trans earlier. While I think the plate probably will fit, I'm not 100% certain... Just keep that in mind. I would like to let Dylan get a chance to fit the reinforcement plate sample up against a newer case to confirm though.

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Old 12-16-2008, 06:06 PM   #195
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Alright guys... The bolts for the first 10 reinforcement plates are on order.

As for the full bolt kit. I have my supplier working on getting part numbers, and figuring out how much the bolts will cost me. I think what I will probably do is make the full bolt kit an add-on option for the reinforcement plate to keep things simple and inexpesive as possible.

So as a re-cap, the 4 class 10.9 bolts that go through the plate will be included with the plate, and you'd be able to opt for the additional bolts to upgrade the rest of the hardware in the case halves over to class 10.9 at an additional cost (still being determined).

Does this sound like a reasonable plan to everybody? Speak now or forever hold your peace

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Old 12-17-2008, 08:32 AM   #196
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Alright guys... The bolts for the first 10 reinforcement plates are on order.

As for the full bolt kit. I have my supplier working on getting part numbers, and figuring out how much the bolts will cost me. I think what I will probably do is make the full bolt kit an add-on option for the reinforcement plate to keep things simple and inexpesive as possible.

So as a re-cap, the 4 class 10.9 bolts that go through the plate will be included with the plate, and you'd be able to opt for the additional bolts to upgrade the rest of the hardware in the case halves over to class 10.9 at an additional cost (still being determined).

Does this sound like a reasonable plan to everybody? Speak now or forever hold your peace
That sounds good to me. I sorta feel like I am going into this blind, as no one really knows what final pricing will be. While I see that you've done your research it's still hard to say how much longer a 5MT will last with this mod. I'd still definately want one to run on my car, but it's hard to say if it can fit in the budget without knowing final pricing. I'm not trying to bring this thread down at all, I am just trying to state my concearns.

In all honesty - I want to run a plate kit with the 10.9 grade hardware, as long as budget allows for it.
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Old 12-17-2008, 01:09 PM   #197
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That sounds good to me. I sorta feel like I am going into this blind, as no one really knows what final pricing will be. While I see that you've done your research it's still hard to say how much longer a 5MT will last with this mod. I'd still definately want one to run on my car, but it's hard to say if it can fit in the budget without knowing final pricing. I'm not trying to bring this thread down at all, I am just trying to state my concearns.

In all honesty - I want to run a plate kit with the 10.9 grade hardware, as long as budget allows for it.
Yeah, I completely hear you man. It's tough to make a plan without pricing, and the product is the first of its kind in Subaru circles as far as I can tell... At least the first to be produced in any numbers that I know of. So even though I have proof that it decreases case flex measurably, it's hard to say how much of that added case stregnth will translate into a stronger transmission. xdrian's case is holding up pretty well with the prototype diff brace, and while that doesn't directly prove anything, it is an encouraging sign

I'm not supposed to talk about pricing. Dylan, however, does know what the final price will be for the reinforcement plate, and I'm sure that info will be included in his vendor thread. As for the full bolt kit option... I'm still waiting for my supplier to get back to me on prices for the various extra bolts, but I don't think it will be a huge price increase to add the full bolt kit option. I will get in touch with Dyaln and we'll firm up the price on that option as soon as I know. Put it this way: your budget will have to be pretty thin not to be able to afford it

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Put it this way: your budget will have to be pretty thin not to be able to afford it
Well, I will say hearing that makes me happy.
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Well, I will say hearing that makes me happy.
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:40 PM   #200
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My supplier got back to me on the full bolt kit and it will be pretty reasonable, actually a little less than I thought it would be. Dylan recieved that sample, so he should be setting something up pretty soon. Sorry to keep you guys on the edge of your seats.
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