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Old 11-24-2008, 07:26 AM   #276
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Have these hit retailers yet? Any reviews of the new part?
They're on my track car, so I won't really be able to test them until March.
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Old 11-24-2008, 10:41 AM   #277
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I'll be driving 600mi through PA mountains on them all weekend, I'll report back.

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Old 11-24-2008, 12:35 PM   #278
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The above pictures is a poor comparison, considering how the two balljoints are not lined up with each other very well. Also, one of them has the conical sleeve installed already which does not help the comparision.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:11 PM   #279
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The above pictures is a poor comparison, considering how the two balljoints are not lined up with each other very well. Also, one of them has the conical sleeve installed already which does not help the comparision.
Sorry it's not up to your standards.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:34 PM   #280
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The question is whether the height difference matters with respect to the tie rod ends. I thought the tie rod ends and the roll center balljounts were designed as kit. Now, if the height of the new ball joints slightly changed, does it mean that the tie rod ends should have also been revised?
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:00 PM   #281
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Sorry it's not up to your standards.
It's pretty easy to compare the two in your pic. Not sure what the complaining is about. You can see the significant differences in thicknesses of each part. Also pretty easy to see that they are the same size too.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:08 PM   #282
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Have these hit retailers yet? Any reviews of the new part?
We just got our first sets in today. Haven't installed any yet though.

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Old 11-24-2008, 07:03 PM   #283
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Sorry it's not up to your standards.
Well my "standards" are hardly high, nor am I "complaining." I guess sitting both ball joints on end on a flat surface is too much to ask. Putting a ruler next to each as a frame of reference is definately out of the question. What about removing the conical sleeve?

The new (left) ball joint is obviously at a different angle than the old one, nor is it held even with the old one lengthwise.

My point is that you are directly contradicting a representative of Whiteline. If a half-assed picture is the best you can do to prove your point, then you should probably not post it in the first place. It just appears to me that you are seeing what you want, and starting rumors with an inaccurate photo as proof.

If I seem defensive to you, consider that I am a Whiteline customer who has purchased and installed this part, and then paid for an alignment. I am very interested in issues and changes to the specs of said part, so it reasonable that I expect anyone claiming Whiteline's info is not entirely accurate should have their **** together.
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Old 11-24-2008, 07:58 PM   #284
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looks to me like the extension area is significantly shorter.
It's hard to tell from this picture, but I'll bet that WL just moved the position of the end of the boot. Not sure why, but that's the only way I could see them not having changed the offset. I just got mine, so I'll try to get them photographed and installed tomorrow night since I plan to run the car up to my parents this weekend.

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Old 11-24-2008, 07:59 PM   #285
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Sorry it's not perfect and there's no ruler. It's not a technical picture, just a reference. And I am not the one complaining it's shorter, or complaining at all. I thanked Whiteline for the replacement. Oh, and the picture wasn't even taken by me. It's just a picture comparing the two. That's all. I never said it was anything else, or tried to make exact measurement comparisons. It is pretty obvious that there is a difference. That's all the pic was meant for.

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Old 11-25-2008, 08:41 AM   #286
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2.5mm difference
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Old 11-26-2008, 01:22 PM   #287
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Ok. Installed mine and took some more pictures. I tried to line the three joints up in a vise to keep the height of the part where the cone rests the same. From this picture, I think the new ball joint does have the same offset as the old one. Note that there is a slight angle on the new joint, but I tried to minimize it so as not to throw off the visuals:

L-to-R: stock, new WL, old WL:


apologize for the crummy shot, but here's an attempt to show the change in width of the upper surface:


Some observations- joints fit maybe a hair tighter in the hole. Prior to installation, they were definitely stiffer than the old ones- I had to use leverage to get them to move. Moving the metal shoulder down gives the boot more room. For whatever reason, I'm getting a clank on the right side coming off drop-offs that I am still investigating- too soon to tell if its from the joint or something I did at the last track event. The BJ that was loose before was on the left side (it is also the one in the photos, so you can see the dirt on the shoulder area).

Edit: the clunk was a loose strut top nut on my Cusco camber plate. My bad for not tightening them enough originally. The cusco plate's stack height is so tall that I can't access the flat spots on the KW's rod without using a pair of needle nose pliers. I think its tight enough now, but we'll see.

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Old 11-26-2008, 08:06 PM   #288
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I just put 300mi of combo highway/PA twisty mountain roads on the new balljoints.

No clunking or unexpected behavior.
No noticeable bumpsteer either...

Will look at them close up in the AM to see if they are still seated completely.

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Old 11-27-2008, 02:28 AM   #289
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G'day everyone,

If you measure the distance from the step or knuckle seat to the end of the stud it should be the same for both versions.

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Old 11-28-2008, 11:27 PM   #290
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I should be getting a set of these in a couple days, TIC already shipped them out, i probably wont be able to post any real data about it until spring when the track opens up again but this should be the last suspension part i will be changing... nothing really left except for some odds and end bushings, (steering rack, outrigger, rear diff) current setup for Time attack/short circuit

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I hope the WL roll center kit is the icing on the cake.
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:22 PM   #291
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I just put 300mi of combo highway/PA twisty mountain roads on the new balljoints.

No clunking or unexpected behavior.
No noticeable bumpsteer either...

Will look at them close up in the AM to see if they are still seated completely.

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were they seated?
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:36 PM   #292
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were they seated?

Actually haven't looked yet.. it's been cold.

I have ~1000mi on them now...will check tonight if I can find my flashlight...will hopefully take pics too.

I'm sure they are due for a re-torqing (as per the install instructions) as well...

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Old 12-08-2008, 11:58 AM   #293
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I replaced the defective RCA's with the new version sent by Global last week.
The defective RCA's had come out of the spindle about 3mm.

I've driven about 700mi and have done about 5 dyno pulls during a tuning session on the new RCA's. So far the new RCA's are still in their proper place

Sucks that I had to pay ANOTHER $90 for alignment due to the defective parts. I guess I'm lucky because I can install stuff like this on my own. Otherwise you gotta pay labor twice and this mod becomes extremely expensive, more so if you end up damaging your spindles.
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:15 PM   #294
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Where can I buy the new version RCA?
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Old 12-08-2008, 05:14 PM   #295
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I just got the fixed version in the mail today. I haven't lowered my car yet; if I install these before I lower my car, will it detrimentally upset my camber curve?
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Old 12-08-2008, 07:42 PM   #296
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I replaced the defective RCA's with the new version sent by Global last week.
The defective RCA's had come out of the spindle about 3mm.

I've driven about 700mi and have done about 5 dyno pulls during a tuning session on the new RCA's. So far the new RCA's are still in their proper place

Sucks that I had to pay ANOTHER $90 for alignment due to the defective parts. I guess I'm lucky because I can install stuff like this on my own. Otherwise you gotta pay labor twice and this mod becomes extremely expensive, more so if you end up damaging your spindles.
By replacing the ball joints, why would you need another alignment?. The yare tecnically the same size where it counts for the alignment. Just wondering if I missed something.!.

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Old 12-08-2008, 07:46 PM   #297
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I just got the fixed version in the mail today. I haven't lowered my car yet; if I install these before I lower my car, will it detrimentally upset my camber curve?
I had the same question to Whiteline and I quote:

"You'll have no problems with running the KCA313 kit with a standard height set up, it will work to offer additional roll resistance in addition to swaybars and offer better than factory bump steer settings."

I change my suspension every season between ice racing and summer track day setup, so wanted to know if I need to also change the BJ and tie rods. This will save a little work and reduce the possibility of damaging them by installing and uninstalling them every year.

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Old 12-08-2008, 07:49 PM   #298
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Where can I buy the new version RCA?

MAPERFORMANCE, is where I purchased mine from. Very helpful and reasonable pricing and quick shipping. Even for getting my replacement set.

http://www.maperformance.com/whiteli...3-wrx-sti.html
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:23 PM   #299
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Well, ~2000mi and the new ball joints are still firmly seated in the hubs...

I certainly haven't been going easy on them...

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Old 12-17-2008, 11:26 PM   #300
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I just need the weather to cooperate so that I can swap my replacements in
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