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Old 10-05-2008, 10:57 PM   #51
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i've the whiteline RCA kit installed on my 2006 WRX and i'm getting paranoid after reading some of the less than favourable comments. what should i look out for or check to see if there are any defects?
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:00 PM   #52
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i've the whiteline RCA kit installed on my 2006 WRX and i'm getting paranoid after reading some of the less than favourable comments. what should i look out for or check to see if there are any defects?
Basically,...listen to the car. If you hear clunking in the front end like somethig is worn or loose when you drive over rough pavement,....check it.

I went back to stock today. 2 set of ball joints went bad within 6,000 miles each.

Too much hassle.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:04 PM   #53
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Crawl under the car, you can do it from the front and examine where the balljoints go into the knuckles, there shouldn't be any gap or any of the large barral of the balljoint pulling out of the knuckle. That's the first thing I noticed.
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:05 PM   #54
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great tips! thanks!
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Old 10-05-2008, 11:22 PM   #55
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Hmm... I haven't heard any of these comments...

Links?

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Old 10-06-2008, 02:06 AM   #56
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Hmm... I haven't heard any of these comments...

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Heard any of what comments? Links to what?
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:32 AM   #57
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I recently started getting some vibration through the steering wheel that's noticeable all the time. It's particularly scary during trail braking.
Wow! I had this exact same thing at my last race meet! When trailing the brake the steering wheel wanted to reef out of my hands. I raised my concerns earlier in this thread about the WL ball joints but I never suspected they might be responsible for this. I assumed it was a mistake with my brake pad bedding procedure (new Hawk HT10's). I'm putting some 6Gun hubs in soon and will go back to stock ball joints. I'll be able to see what difference it offers in handling.

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Old 10-06-2008, 08:33 AM   #58
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Heard any of what comments? Links to what?
The ones mentioned here:
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i've the whiteline RCA kit installed on my 2006 WRX and i'm getting paranoid after reading some of the less than favourable comments. what should i look out for or check to see if there are any defects?
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:43 AM   #59
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Replaced mine with the stock ball joints. Did five sessions at a track day this weekend before my turbo grenaded. Didn't notice any meaningful difference in handling.

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Old 10-06-2008, 09:38 AM   #60
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Read this thread. Plenty of them in here.
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Old 10-06-2008, 12:48 PM   #61
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Read this thread. Plenty of them in here.
Oh, whoops.

I clicked right to the last post when I first read this thread, which had the response I quoted as the first post on the page. I didn't notice that there was a proceeding page.

That said, I'll check under my car tonight and see if my ball joints are starting to separate.

I have probably 10kmi of driving hard on these, but with only street tires...

I didn't see anything out of place when I was adjusting the camber bolts on Friday...

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Old 10-06-2008, 12:57 PM   #62
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I recently started getting some vibration through the steering wheel that's noticeable all the time. It's particularly scary during trail braking, the first time it happened I thought I snapped a tie rod or something. Although in that extreme sense, the problem is intermittent. When I got the car up on the lift and gave the control arms and tie rods a really good tug I couldn't feel any play in the ball joints so I ruled that out. I'm wondering now if I should take them off the car and give them a closer look, I've only had the Whitelines installed for a couple months but maybe that's enough...
did u manage to check/confirm that the RCA was the cause of the vibrating steering wheel problem?
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:50 PM   #63
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i've the whiteline RCA kit installed on my 2006 WRX and i'm getting paranoid after reading some of the less than favourable comments. what should i look out for or check to see if there are any defects?
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I'm pretty sure he was referring to the comments in this thread that you replied to. Did you read the thread before you replied? If so I would think it would be pretty obvious that people have had some significant issues with all parts of the WL kit.

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Old 10-06-2008, 05:12 PM   #64
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I'm pretty sure he was referring to the comments in this thread that you replied to. Did you read the thread before you replied? If so I would think it would be pretty obvious that people have had some significant issues with all parts of the WL kit.

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Yes, I realized that and posted about it about 2 posts above yours.

Did you read the thread before you replied? If so I would think it would be pretty obvious that I have realized and corrected my error.

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Old 10-06-2008, 07:34 PM   #65
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G’day everyone

Just got a heads-up about this thread, thought we’d try to help.

DuckStu, though we’ve heard about play in the ball-joints this is the first time we’ve heard about repeated issues like that in such quick time. Is it possible for you to contact us direct on jim@whiteline.com.au to talk a little more about this. Would really like to have the old ones back here to test as we have made some running changes over the last 12 months to keep improving the product. As for swaybar surface finish, I understand your frustration in replacing parts but I would still be happy to change over any part that a customer may not be happy with.

CPC, not sure about the steering feel changes while “trailing the brake”, I would think that this would be an overall setup and alignment issue rather than roll centre kit related. Can you tell me what the lowering height you are running along with wheel size and or offset, alignment settings?

AcquaCow, not sure I understand the comment re ”ball joint separating” but you might be seeing the extra spacing below the hub that is part of the dimension change. That is, assuming it's properly seated, the exposed body of the ball joint is longer than the stock.

Overall, from a handling “feel” point of view, the roll centre adjustment component of the KCA313 kits is designed around lowered heights between 20-50mm from stock. That is not to say that it will not “work “ for stock vehicles but the desired outcome is optimised for lowered. Also, because the product is generally fitted to highly modified vehicles, there are typically many other changes that are working at the same time not least of which are upgraded tyres and wheels. Any of these will contribute to how the car behaves and feels. Some of these technical issues are better covered in an earlier post here http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ghlight=KCA313 .

We will be standing by to deal with any further questions or concerns, let us know what we can do to help.

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Old 10-06-2008, 07:41 PM   #66
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AcquaCow, not sure I understand the comment re ”ball joint separating” but you might be seeing the extra spacing below the hub that is part of the dimension change. That is, assuming it's properly seated, the exposed body of the ball joint is longer than the stock.
I was just refering to this post and stating that I am going to go and see if my car shows any evidence of this:
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I've had the ball joints walk out of their pockets in the knuckles too. Not enough to pop out but, enough to notice and fix.
The only problem that I have noticed thusfar is that the dust boot on my driver's-side ball joint is torn and leaking grease.

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Old 10-06-2008, 07:43 PM   #67
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^^ Nothing like whiteline customer service!
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:38 PM   #68
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Would really like to have the old ones back here to test as we have made some running changes over the last 12 months to keep improving the product.
I bought a set a few months ago which I haven't installed yet. How would I know if mine are updated or not?
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:47 PM   #69
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DuckStu, though we’ve .......... the product. As for swaybar surface finish, I understand your frustrat.............

Whiteline Jim

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Email sent,..but it was someone else with Swaybar finnish issues. My 2 bars are just fine, so far as I know.

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Old 10-06-2008, 11:42 PM   #70
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:07 AM   #71
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WL Flatout, you seem to have ignored the issue with the balljoints walking out of the pockets in the knuckles that pretty much started this discussion. It's not a wear issue. My knuckles were brand new. Dunk's gone through at least 2 sets of knuckles.

As far as I can tell, both, the tie rods and balljoints are still in good shape. I just can't risk them popping out at 130 mph. I took the car to Mach-V for an alignment, they saw what I saw. Balljoints backed out of the knuckle. My stock balljoints don't do it.

Any comment?
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:34 AM   #72
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x2 ^^.

I'm quite suprised to hear you say "this is the first time we’ve heard about repeated issues like that in such quick time." I'm a Whiteline customer, not a workshop manager, and certainly not a WL employee, yet I've heard plenty about this problem. Why haven't you?

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Old 10-07-2008, 08:50 AM   #73
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x3^^^^

FWIW, my car is a modestly lowered car - right in the sweet spot of Whiteline's design guidelines, and is NOT track-driven. My ball joints started walking/rocking out of the knuckles within weeks of installation.

The other issue of concern is all the reports I've seen (and my own experience) with ripped grease boots. Both my tie rod ends have been replaced, so a big thumbs up for standing behind the product - but it's not something I want to have to do on a bi-annual basis.

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Old 10-07-2008, 02:29 PM   #74
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Hmmm, I haven't had any issues yet with my RCA kit although its only been on the car for about 7-8 months, 2 track events, and roughly 6k miles. I'll get under the car and take a closer inspection but everything seems the same as day one.
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Old 10-08-2008, 03:39 AM   #75
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for all the feedback, both good and bad. In light of the latest comments and the difficulties people are experiencing we think it best that we ask you to return the stock of the latest batch of KCA313 kits while we sort out what’s what.

MasterKwan and CPC, I understand that this may be hard to accept but this is the first time that we have seen this detail about the ball joint moving in the hub. Naturally this is of some concern and we need to investigate this more but would prefer that we get this particular batch back to check. It looks like a running change has identified the latest batch and I have attached a photo showing the difference.

It seems to be restricted to kits supplied ex our factory after June off this year and the suspect ball joints can be identified by:

- Dull silver/gold finish vs bright gold.
- Silver wire clamps for the boots vs blue wire
- Code “WL 65079” vs “65079 D7” marked on the bottom of the ball joint. (Top once fitted)

Further detail available by downloading http://www.whitelineautomotive.com/B...313_return.pdf from our FTP site.

I can only imagine how frustrating this must be for our customers and I sincerely apologise for the inconvenience and trouble this might cause. We have no excuse and ask that you persevere with us if you can while we resolve this. Unfortunately we do not have a direct replacement batch to offer you in exchange so would like to do what we can to help you fit replacement stock units until we can deliver a replacement.

Can anyone affected please contact jim@whiteline.com.au directly so we can sort out an action plan for you. This will include logging you down for a direct replacement set to be shipped ex Australia via courier once available at our expense. Alternatively, we understand if you would like to return the kit for credit and will help where needed. Either way, we would like to arrange for the return of the stock you have via your nearest distributor.

Again, our sincere apologies for the trouble, we thank you once again for your patience and we will keep you posted once we know more.

Best regards

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