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Old 11-02-2008, 07:46 AM   #201
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I wanted to warn the people following this thread that there have been some damaged ball joint mounts after many miles using the RCA kit. I am guessing that either the ball joint of the kit was not machined large enough and/or the increased load causes it to rock back and forth under extreme load which enlarges the mounting spot on the knuckle(spindle). Unfortunately the only way to repair this was to replace the ball joint and kuckle which also means a new wheel bearing and alignment.

My second concern - what happens when the ball joint or tie rod boot is ripped or the part is worn internally? What if either is damaged in an accident? I have not seen the option to order individual parts from the kit.

how do you tell that the ball joint mounts are damaged? i'm prepared to write off my whiteline RCA kit (i'm not going to sell it until I know it's not broken) but I would be extremely peeved it damaged other parts of the suspension
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:51 AM   #202
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how do you tell that the ball joint mounts are damaged? i'm prepared to write off my whiteline RCA kit (i'm not going to sell it until I know it's not broken) but I would be extremely peeved it damaged other parts of the suspension
If you stick your finger up in the bore of the knuckle, you'll be able to feel where the Whiteline units have worn a gouge.

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Old 11-02-2008, 09:57 PM   #203
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Took my car to the track this weekend. Ball joint pops out to the 2-3mm position in just one session. I loosen the bolt and pop it back in, one session later its half way out again, completely out to ~3mm by the end of another session. I think I can feel and hear it wobblying around in there during very hard corners like the carousel at Shenandoah. I expect said groove to be found when I pull this thing. Good news is I understand the hub body is only ~$145. Strangely, the left side is the only one that is popping out.

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Old 11-02-2008, 11:16 PM   #204
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Well, that was the price for an 05 knuckle...

I saw his balljoint and it was at least twice as "out" as mine had ever been. WL needs to redesign the 08 kit too if it's different than the earlier ones.
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:17 PM   #205
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Duh, double post.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:01 AM   #206
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Friggin A. Just checked mine and sure enough they were out on both sides. Loosened the pinch bolts and they popped back in. I have a track weekend at VIR in 2 weeks. Think I'll be OK or should I put the stockers back? Has anyone actually had these fail, as in rip out of the knuckle?
if i were you, i'd put the stock ones back on

i think these are one of those pieces that oem actually does have really good quality, so it's a good thing you've kept 'em around
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:26 AM   #207
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Friggin A. Just checked mine and sure enough they were out on both sides. Loosened the pinch bolts and they popped back in. I have a track weekend at VIR in 2 weeks. Think I'll be OK or should I put the stockers back? Has anyone actually had these fail, as in rip out of the knuckle?
Tim,

I've never seen a set fail, however I had a set ruin a pair of OEM knuckles. If you still have the stock pieces I'd swap them out before your track day. If it's any consolation, I didn't notice any difference in handling when I went back to stock.

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Old 11-03-2008, 09:30 AM   #208
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Tim,

I've never seen a set fail, however I had a set ruin a pair of OEM knuckles. If you still have the stock pieces I'd swap them out before your track day. If it's any consolation, I didn't notice any difference in handling when I went back to stock.

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What'd you use to remove and install the ball joints? I don't have any specific tool to do it.
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:35 AM   #209
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If you don't intend to ever re-use them, you can use a hammer. 14mm bolt on the knuckle, 19mm on the control arm. I reverse the nut, screw it down till it's flush with the top of the stud and smack it with a hammer. The harder part is the sleeve that goes over the balljoint (if you have aluminum arms). It's on the BJ pretty tight. I have to use my press to push them apart.

Be warned that smacking the stud with a hammer, even with the nut on it can damage the BJ. Sounds like you'll never install this set again though.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:12 AM   #210
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What'd you use to remove and install the ball joints? I don't have any specific tool to do it.
With the swaybar connection disconnected, the ball joint should come out of the knuckle easily, especially if you used some antiseize when you installed them.

You did use antiseize, right

MasterKwan's right that the metal sleeve that sits in the control arm can be a bit of a bear to get off the taper on the ball joint. I use a bearing splitter and a press, or if I don't want to reuse the, a bearing splitter and a hammer.

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Old 11-03-2008, 04:19 PM   #211
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I take it you didn't read the thread...
I admit I didn't read the thread. Good to know I am not alone in seeing this problem.
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Old 11-07-2008, 08:33 AM   #212
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With the swaybar connection disconnected, the ball joint should come out of the knuckle easily, especially if you used some antiseize when you installed them.

You did use antiseize, right

MasterKwan's right that the metal sleeve that sits in the control arm can be a bit of a bear to get off the taper on the ball joint. I use a bearing splitter and a press, or if I don't want to reuse the, a bearing splitter and a hammer.

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I didn't install them. Andrewtech installed them when I had the car there for an alignment. I don't have a bearing splitter or press. I'm travelling next week so I don't know if I'm going to be able to swap them before next weekend. Mach V said they can do it next Friday morning, so I might just take it there on my way to VIR.
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Old 11-10-2008, 05:30 AM   #213
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With luck I'll have a set of the new design KCA313 by early next week. I'll post up some pics to compare the two.

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Old 11-11-2008, 11:51 AM   #214
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Just spoke with Global Performance. They do not have the replacements in stock yet, but they were very friendly and willing to work with me.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:17 PM   #215
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Did they say when they expect the revised units to be in stock?
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:23 PM   #216
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Just spoke with Global Performance. They do not have the replacements in stock yet, but they were very friendly and willing to work with me.
Global is AWSOME! WL is very fortunate to have a company as good as Global importing their products.

When my first set of ball joints went south,..they shipped me a new pair right away. When the second set went south a month ago,..I returned them. They immediatly credited my CC for not only the origional price of the items,..but the shipping both ways.

I didn't have to whine or bitch or go through an elaborate explanation,....they just did the right thing and then some.

This past spring, I had issues with a set of the adjustable heim-joint endlinks going bad (making lots of noise and having as much as 1/8" of slop in them, (race only part really,..not made for long-term street use)). They swapped them out for the solid ones like I had in the rear no questions.

Makes me totally willing to still buy Whiteline stuff,...because I know that if there is ever an issue,..they'll jump through hoops to do the right thing.

BTW,...I have front and rear sways from Whiteline,..as well as a comfort ALK,. steering rack bushings, front and rear non-adjustable endlinks, etc,..all of which work great.

Great people at Global.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:34 PM   #217
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Let me say first of all thank you to Jim at WL for being helpful and honest with this process. I have been using the WL RCA's all season and didn't notice any problems, but this last track day I was pushing the car very hard and will look sometime this week to see how they held up. One thing I did notice was that the dust boots were not very good, both of the boots on the ball joints are already torn (I installed them in June I believe). Still, with honesty and customer service like this makes me proud to use and carry their products.

As for performance, I did notice that they helped with both bump steer and adjusting the roll on the front as I am lower than most cars. However, I'd like to lower the car slightly more so this question is for you Jim: is there any plans to make a "race" version for the RCA's for heavily lowered cars? Or the possibility the ball joints and outer tie rod ends would come with a longer shank with shims to adjust the height? I don't know the exact height of my car, but here is a picture of it at static height:

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Old 11-12-2008, 12:54 AM   #218
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G’day everyone,

Well the good news is that the new KCA313 ball joints arrived in the US late last week and should be delivered to Global any day now. We got our stock here today and have rushed through a picture to post on the forum.

Main points;
  • Redesigned body with every dimensions subtly changed.
  • Redesigned stud profile for closer fit
  • Thicker, redesigned boot. Still using high temp silicon but using a more durable design, thicker moulding and with more careful packaging to minimise transit damage.
  • Redesigned internal cage for better stud control and support.
Our engineers are confident that this will deliver the goods and they’re looking forward to your feedback, hopefully soon. Note that you can also spot the new model thanks to the laser engraving on the OD of the body. Now, to answer some questions;

EarlQHan, appreciate the vote of confidence, it really gives our guys a lot of satisfaction. Unfortunately we don’t have any real plans for a more radical version because frankly, we don’t believe it's needed technically, even down to 50mm lower. However, that’s just our opinion but I know that there are other products out there now that change the ball joint position a lot more.

DuckStu, glad you’re having a good run with Global, we’re very proud of them too and will pass on your comments to the guys. It's been a long road but I think you’ll be happy with the new KCA313’s once you get them.

MasterKwan, according to our data, the same part number ball joint is common across both the 07 and 08 models so KCA313 fits both.

And in the interests of goodwill, anyone that is really concerned that our kit has been responsible for the premature wear of their hub or knuckle, contact us directly and we’ll see what we can work out.

Overall, I’d like to thank everyone again for the patience on this one, we’ve done our best to turn this around as quickly as possible and I hope that you have the stock in hand very soon. As mentioned before, your goodwill through this process has been awesome and it really makes our day.

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Old 11-12-2008, 01:23 AM   #219
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Love you guys...

I look forward to picking these up =)

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Old 11-12-2008, 03:04 AM   #220
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sweet!! looking foward to getting these from global performance. They do have extremely great trouble free service.
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Old 11-12-2008, 03:54 AM   #221
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hi whiteline people. The new part looks good.
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Old 11-12-2008, 02:03 PM   #222
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wow.. i kinda wanna get some now lol
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:15 PM   #223
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G'day all,

Here's a picture of the kits being packed, apparentky stock has arrived at Global and they're getting ready to ship out.



Note that the boots look a little different because of the translucent material. Different shapes and the location of any grease behind it changes the look but its the same stuff.

Thanks again.

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Old 11-12-2008, 05:47 PM   #224
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this is some top notch service right here. cant wait to send out the old and get the new version. thx again WL!
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Old 11-12-2008, 06:29 PM   #225
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Just sent an email to Global.

Here hoping =)

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