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Old 10-14-2014, 10:49 PM   #1
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Default Can I get away with stock 15 summer tires in winter?

So the 2015 WRX comes with summer tires as you all know. With winter coming up, I am wondering if I can get away with using the summers.

I live in St. Louis. Hopefully last year's bad winter was a fluke (it was the worst winter since I was born). Normally we might have two or thre good snows. I'm fortunate enough to have a job where I can work from home at the slightest threat of flurries in the forecast, so I would never find myself in a situation where I need to drive to work in the middle of crappy weather. I've pretty much been able to avoid driving on snow covered roads and don't really want to change that just because I now have AWD (since other drivers are idiots). They're good about clearing off the roads here for when I do have to go out, well, all roads except the one I live on, but my house is about 100 feet from the main streets.

So, I guess my question is, since I'm able to avoid driving in snow, can I get by the the summer tires? If not, would it make sense to just get a good set of all seasons so I'm not swapping tires before and after winter? Having a dedicated set of winter tires just seems like overkill for this region. Thanks
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Old 10-14-2014, 11:13 PM   #2
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Safety is never overkill... Browse the winter tire thread if you'd like but temperature also has a LOT to do with how a tire performs. Winter tires remain softer as the temps drop while summer tires will turn to stone. With a brand new car why risk it

I'll let someone else jump in maybe from your neck of the woods but if it's not too much trouble why not just pick up a set of generals and put em on steelies?

Rain, cold, black ice, slush, sleet...it's all dangerous even though it's not 10 feet of snow
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:27 AM   #3
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Cold enough for snow... cold enough for ice.... watch this...

Summer tires in anything below 40 are basically ice skates on wet pavement. I would go with the winter tires for a piece of mind. $500 bucks is nothing compared to a $30k vehicle!
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:41 AM   #4
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Do NOT run summer tires in the winter. As others have stated, it's not only that they will be useless in the snow, but they become very hard in cold temperatures, losing a LOT of grip. So if it's below 40 and dry and sunny, you're still going to have a lot less grip.

Option 1: Cheapest route would be to just get some all-seasons. You'll obviously lose some grip, but there are some decent performance AS tires. You could sell the summer tires to help with the cost.
Option 2: Get a set of winter tires and have them swapped onto the stock wheels. This will cost less in the near term, but in the long term the cost of swapping tires twice a year will add up to the cost of new wheels.
Option 3: Dedicated set of winter wheels & tires.
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Old 10-15-2014, 09:43 AM   #5
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Thanks. I guess I'll do all-seasons, I've had decent luck with those on the FWD cars I've driven. AS+AWD would have to be an improvement, right?

What's a good all season tire to get?
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Old 10-15-2014, 12:00 PM   #6
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So the 2015 WRX comes with summer tires as you all know. With winter coming up, I am wondering if I can get away with using the summers.

I live in St. Louis. Hopefully last year's bad winter was a fluke (it was the worst winter since I was born). Normally we might have two or thre good snows. I'm fortunate enough to have a job where I can work from home at the slightest threat of flurries in the forecast, so I would never find myself in a situation where I need to drive to work in the middle of crappy weather. I've pretty much been able to avoid driving on snow covered roads and don't really want to change that just because I now have AWD (since other drivers are idiots). They're good about clearing off the roads here for when I do have to go out, well, all roads except the one I live on, but my house is about 100 feet from the main streets.

So, I guess my question is, since I'm able to avoid driving in snow, can I get by the the summer tires? If not, would it make sense to just get a good set of all seasons so I'm not swapping tires before and after winter? Having a dedicated set of winter tires just seems like overkill for this region. Thanks
If your 100 ft from main road has any incline you may find that it is the most challenging 100ft of road in your life.

Will you die instantly? Maybe. On ice and dry snow.

Wet snow, cold pavement - it will take you a few tries but you may succeed.

Sell your summer tires and buy all season or better (if you have means) buy winter setup - in your case decent all seasons or performance winters may be good solution.

Krzys

PS people claim that Continental DWS are good choice and not that expensive.
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Old 10-17-2014, 10:12 PM   #7
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I didn't read all the posts prior but with summer tires, when below 40 they will easily flat spot because the compound that is designed to be nice and soft and sticky(stop it)... will then become hard(stop it)... thus will create uneven wear if driven in the extreme cold and prematurely wear them out.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:37 PM   #8
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No to summer tires in winter. I tried that when I lived in Richmond, VA with my 3 series. With a dusting on my driveway, I could not pull out up a slight incline. Absolutely no traction. Fortunately my wife had SUV and we carpooled on snow days. Winters don't get as cold there as St Lou, but on cold dry days, could definitely notice reduced grip/traction.

As far as good AS, check out the Michelin Pilot A/S 3. I put them on my prior car. They test nearly as good as Summer tires and offer good snow performance. I think they even beat Conti extreme DW tires in 1 test. I used them in NY last winter through about 5 ft of snowfall.
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sure...go right ahead....no problem

you'll just be REAL likely to become a statistic in somebodys doctoral thesis and in the highway patrols new commercial on stupid people doing stupid things and getting themselves and others killed and maimed for life

go right ahead and be all st000pid an ****
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:29 PM   #10
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So the 2015 WRX comes with summer tires as you all know. With winter coming up, I am wondering if I can get away with using the summers. I live in St. Louis. Hopefully last year's bad winter was a fluke (it was the worst winter since I was born). Normally we might have two or thre good snows. I'm fortunate enough to have a job where I can work from home at the slightest threat of flurries in the forecast, so I would never find myself in a situation where I need to drive to work in the middle of crappy weather. I've pretty much been able to avoid driving on snow covered roads and don't really want to change that just because I now have AWD (since other drivers are idiots). They're good about clearing off the roads here for when I do have to go out, well, all roads except the one I live on, but my house is about 100 feet from the main streets. So, I guess my question is, since I'm able to avoid driving in snow, can I get by the the summer tires? If not, would it make sense to just get a good set of all seasons so I'm not swapping tires before and after winter? Having a dedicated set of winter tires just seems like overkill for this region. Thanks
If you can afford a WRX, you CAN'T AFFORD NOT to change tires...! Yes, it's a pain, but summers in winter are just a REALLY bad idea, PERIOD.

A couple examples... you drive to work in the morning, ok day ... you come out to your car at 4 or 5 etc in the afternoon, and it's a BLIZZARD... it happens, and now you're hooped. Been there, done that, NO FUN. Once on a motorcycle... in October...!

And, if it gets really cold, as in 0*F cold, your summers will turn to plastic, and grip about as well, even on dry pavement... that off ramp you routinely take at 60 mph... now its 30, maybe, and the tire compound can be permanently changed by that kind of cold.

And any accumulation of white stuff, and you will be white knuckling EVERYWHERE...! Like driving on a crazy carpet... and slide into one curb, or have any at fault accident, and any savings from not changing tires is long gone...and if you happen to die, well thats even worse...!

I would just run a high performance winter on separate wheels... like a Bridgestone LM or a Dunlop 4D . You wont need to worry about bad conditions, and your summers get ZERO wear in the winter...!
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:35 PM   #11
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I think in MD you can get away with all seasons. Just know you will give up both summer performance and winter performance. That's why they call them no seasons. But for a DD they will work fine. I have used all seasons for years in NY without issue. But this year I will have winters, because they really are better.
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Old 10-19-2014, 08:56 PM   #12
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Coming from someone on the opposite side of the state, get winters or all seasons. DO NOT RUN SUMMER TIRES during if the temps are too low for summers. Besides, you know living in Missouri the weather changes every 15 minutes...so you don't want to get caught off guard.
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I think enough have chimed in for you to get an educated answer. I can attest to summer tires being worthless in cold weather. All season tires as others have mentioned are a compromise. AWD will not save you if your tires don't stick.
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Just ordered All Season Pilot A/S3s from Costco. Thanks everyone
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Just ordered All Season Pilot A/S3s from Costco. Thanks everyone
there ya go....
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