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Old 10-02-2012, 03:37 PM   #2751
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My wife uses 3Ds on her Volvo S40. They are good enough in Worcester, MA area.
Quite good all around winter tire.

The tires feel like all seasons on dry or wet roads.

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Old 10-02-2012, 04:30 PM   #2752
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That's what I like to hear. The WS70s were great, don't get me wrong, but I'd like to get something with a little better dry performance.. The sidewalls felt like mush!
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:09 PM   #2753
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That's what I like to hear. The WS70s were great, don't get me wrong, but I'd like to get something with a little better dry performance.. The sidewalls felt like mush!
If u want better dry performance for snow tires get the lm60'S they r speed rated even for the sti but r not cheap.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:55 PM   #2754
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I think Dunlop Winter Sport 3D is better tire than Blizzak LM60.

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Old 10-02-2012, 11:00 PM   #2755
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I think Dunlop Winter Sport 3D is better tire than Blizzak LM60.

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Hate to tell ya but blizzak has proven time and time again to out perform dunlop besides dunlop having a little bit better of a warranty.

The top 3 r Michelin, blizzak, and continental.
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Old 10-03-2012, 01:31 AM   #2756
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I'm having trouble deciding on my first set of winter tires for my 2013 WRX on order. I've narrowed it down to the following: Michelin X-Ice Xi3 (Snow/ice tire, $136) and Pirelli Sottozero Serie II (Performance winter, $132) both in size 215 55 R16.

I live in SE Pennsylvania, and we are almost always on the border of the snow/ice/rain line in the forecast. Last winter was snowless while the winter before gave us a few large storms. My commute is 95% highway so I would be more likely to see cold dry/wet conditions on I-95 save for the occasional ice patch or coating of snow before plows get out. The only time I would face deeper snow would be using back roads to get to my parents house or the store, or taking 1-3 trips up to the mountains. I was originally leaning towards the Michelins because of the great reviews for the Xi2, but now I'm wondering if it would be overkill for my situation. At the same time I want to be as safe as possible and I generally drive pretty slow on the highway, so I don't know if I need the benefits of a performance winter tire.

I'm planning on placing my order tonight and I'd really appreciate any feedback. Thanks.


nokian WR's or all season of your choice and avoid driving on snow/ice days. really, just get the WR's.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:33 AM   #2757
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Hate to tell ya but blizzak has proven time and time again to out perform dunlop besides dunlop having a little bit better of a warranty.

The top 3 r Michelin, blizzak, and continental.
Where does Bridgestone outperform performance winter tires from Goodyear/Dunlop? I do not recall any such tests.

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Old 10-03-2012, 07:43 AM   #2758
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Where does Bridgestone outperform performance winter tires from Goodyear/Dunlop? I do not recall any such tests.

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Google tire reviews and test
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:24 AM   #2759
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tires only or winter package: Tires only

I am looking for a performace tire for the winter. The Winters here are mild. We usualy get plenty of cold temperatures but not too much snow (only a few times a year); however, most of the roads that I go driving on are in the mountains and have a decent chance of having snow on them. I go driving in the mountians about twice a month and I push my car pretty good so I need a tire that can give me enough grip in the winter months. I will either use the stock 17" wheels or get a set of 16" steelies and paint them. Please PM me with your suggestions and/or questions. Thanks for the help!
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:55 AM   #2760
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instead of steelies, consider looking for a set of stock 06/07 wheels and run a 215/45/17 winter on the 2012. Worked great for me this year... Can't decide if I want to paint them or leave then silver.

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Old 10-03-2012, 05:18 PM   #2761
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Where does Bridgestone outperform performance winter tires from Goodyear/Dunlop? I do not recall any such tests.

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If we are talking about the LM60 vs Winter Sport 3D, I don't recall such tests either. AFAIK, the LM60 is not available in the European market, and so the European magazines won't be testing it. In the US all I have seen is a 2010 test from Consumer Reports, in which the 3D was rated higher overall than the LM60.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:40 PM   #2762
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If we are talking about the LM60 vs Winter Sport 3D, I don't recall such tests either. AFAIK, the LM60 is not available in the European market, and so the European magazines won't be testing it. In the US all I have seen is a 2010 test from Consumer Reports, in which the 3D was rated higher overall than the LM60.
U might want to check "APA.ca" they don't just do tests in Europe. In Canada winter tires have to meet strict government regulations.

2011-2012 reviews

Blizzak lm60
pros: best stop and go in slippery conditions
ride comfort over bumps
Exceptionally well in wet slushy snow
Descent lateral grip

Cons: $$$$$
Wear fast and road noise

Dunlop 3d
Pro: almost equivalent to the lm60
Good warranty
Don't wear as fast
cheaper

Cons: a little harsh over bumps
Lateral grip was modest

So I guess we r both correct the 3d is best all around but the best performing was blizzak between the 2 tires then u have nokian which r in a league of their own. Michelin with their x-ice2 were the only ones to almost match nokian.

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Old 10-03-2012, 08:55 PM   #2763
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Ran my Dunlop 3D sports last year on 16 inch steelies. Didn't get much snow in my area last season. But my impression is that mostly said above. I reccomend them to anyone who doesnt need to venture up in the "mountains" or high snow areas.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:33 PM   #2764
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U might want to check "APA.ca" they don't just do tests in Europe. In Canada winter tires have to meet strict government regulations.........
Does APA publish actual test data from their testing? Because I did not see it on their website.
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Does APA publish actual test data from their testing? Because I did not see it on their website.
No they just post their reviews from tests from top to bottom but there is a link to tests they have done plus also Quebec does their own tests and reviews as well.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:47 AM   #2766
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http://apa.ca/readarticle.asp?id=579

I got the tests trev762 wrote about. They are even worse than consumer report as the just privide overall rating without any details.

"Tires are listed in alphabetical order within each ratings group."

That means that Bridgestone is before Dunlop and before Toyo.

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Old 10-04-2012, 08:29 PM   #2767
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http://apa.ca/readarticle.asp?id=579

I got the tests trev762 wrote about. They are even worse than consumer report as the just privide overall rating without any details.

"Tires are listed in alphabetical order within each ratings group."

That means that Bridgestone is before Dunlop and before Toyo.

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Yes I understand they r in alphabetical order but my consensus from not just 1 but from multiple reviews and tests. Blizzaks overall is the better tire in performance over Dunlop. As I have already stated the best overall tire to buy was the dunlops cuz of better wear and warranty.

As I had stated there is a link for test spreads and also Quebec does their own reviews and tests.

The 2 top tier winter tires r nokian and Michelin. APA only conducts tests on new tires that have bin introduced.
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So according to my sources 3D is one of the best all rounder performance winter tires from previous generation. There are no new generation performance tires available in the USA. Some are available in Canada (TS830) but not the USA. Yet.

When Scandinavians tested WS60 or 70 it failed miserably not ice or snow (which it excelled) but wet.

2012 Consumer report will have new tests of all season and winter tires. Per my understanding most winter tires got black dots for wet handling.

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Old 10-05-2012, 12:54 AM   #2769
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Here are winter tire ratings from the Canadian tire retailer PMC. The ratings look made up to me. More of a marketing tool than a true assessment of tire performance.

http://winter-tires.pmctire.com/x-st...valuations.pdf
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:00 AM   #2770
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.......2012 Consumer report will have new tests of all season and winter tires. Per my understanding most winter tires got black dots for wet handling.

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The Nov 2012 issue of CR is on news stands now. In addition to tire tests, it also has tests of automotive batteries.
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....... There are no new generation performance tires available in the USA. .......Krzys
The Pilot Alpin PA4 is new this year.
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Here is something to consider about the Blizzak LM60:

"The Bridgestone Blizzak LM-60 is currently ranked tenth overall in our Tire Survey Results for the Performance Winter/Snow tire category. However, before passing it over in favor of one of the tires ranked higher, it's worth a second look. When viewing a full list of Survey Results, sort by "Winter Performance" and suddenly the picture looks completely different, as the LM-60 moves to the top of the list.........."

http://blog.tirerack.com/blog/bens-b...rformance-cars
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:06 AM   #2773
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The Pilot Alpin PA4 is new this year.
You are right. This is the only new tire in the USA. 2 or 3 years after introduction in Europe. This may be performance winter tire to buy this season as all others are old news.

I will be e:mailing Continental and Goodyear/Dunlop next year when I will need new winter tires where are their flagship winter performance models, if they do not start offering them by then.

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Old 10-05-2012, 12:59 PM   #2774
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^^ I believe the PA4 is new for 2012 worldwide, but the A4 has been available for 2 or 3 years already. The PA4 has a directional tread for Porsche fitments, and an asymetric tread for all other applications.

"......Michelin is premiering its new MICHELIN Pilot Alpin 4 (PA4), winter tires for high-performance cars. Scheduled to begin arriving in European replacement markets in spring 2012, the tires deliver unparalleled results in terms of safety, mobility and longevity......."

http://www.tireandtyre.com/winter-ti...pilot-alpin-4/
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Old 10-05-2012, 01:00 PM   #2775
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I just bought the Dunlop SP Winter sport 3D's and it will be snowing here on saturday so I'll get a chance to try them out =)
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