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Old 10-23-2012, 12:12 PM   #2926
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If your in New York their recommended but not required. I got them installed in mine from tirerack but i heard you had to adjust the tpms for the right tire pressure. I wish i wouldnt have gotten it. Does anyone know how to adjust it as far as what you need to do it?
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:39 AM   #2927
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I'm looking for a recommendation (Luke - are you still out there?) on winter tires. Picking up the car in early November when its delivered, and planning on putting snows on the stock wheels for the winter. Then next spring I'll sort out new wheels to go with the stock tires.

I commute weekly between Denver and Aspen on I-70 over two passes. I also spend a lot of time visiting various ski areas for work around Colorado. I want the best possible snow tires but ones that will behave ok on dry pavement at 80 mph. I read through much of this post before posting.

  • I've heard Blizzaks are great, but they wear quickly and aren't great on pavement (someone told me they track like a tank).
  • Sounds like the Dunlops might be the best choice for my needs - the best balance between snow and dry pavement.
  • I didn't see anyone talking about Hankooks. Anyone recommend those or know the characteristics?
Thank you in advance for your help.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:47 AM   #2928
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Dunlop wintersport 3D (it's what I have)! Being a coloradoen myself they will work out great just remember you are giving up some of the snow traction say when it snows 1ft + compared to how the WS70 will do. They aren't the best on ice either (Dunlop 3D) compared to the WS70

Btw if your not already join AWD PIRATES it's where most of the CO Subie guys chat
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:14 AM   #2929
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year: 2013
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I'm looking for a recommendation (Luke - are you still out there?) on winter tires. Picking up the car in early November when its delivered, and planning on putting snows on the stock wheels for the winter. Then next spring I'll sort out new wheels to go with the stock tires.

I commute weekly between Denver and Aspen on I-70 over two passes. I also spend a lot of time visiting various ski areas for work around Colorado. I want the best possible snow tires but ones that will behave ok on dry pavement at 80 mph. I read through much of this post before posting.

[*]I've heard Blizzaks are great, but they wear quickly and aren't great on pavement (someone told me they track like a tank).[*]Sounds like the Dunlops might be the best choice for my needs - the best balance between snow and dry pavement.[*]I didn't see anyone talking about Hankooks. Anyone recommend those or know the characteristics?

Thank you in advance for your help.
Either Dunlop or blizzak r great but would stay away from hankooks in Canada they won't even designate them as a snow tire.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:19 AM   #2930
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Dunlop wintersport 3D (it's what I have)! Being a coloradoen myself they will work out great just remember you are giving up some of the snow traction say when it snows 1ft + compared to how the WS70 will do. They aren't the best on ice either (Dunlop 3D) compared to the WS70

Btw if your not already join AWD PIRATES it's where most of the CO Subie guys chat
The Dunlop 3d's r compared to the lm-60 or 32's not the ws70's as they r not speed rated for the wrx or sti.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:22 AM   #2931
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Dunlop wintersport 3D (it's what I have)! Being a coloradoen myself they will work out great just remember you are giving up some of the snow traction say when it snows 1ft + compared to how the WS70 will do. They aren't the best on ice either (Dunlop 3D) compared to the WS70

Btw if your not already join AWD PIRATES it's where most of the CO Subie guys chat
Thanks. The Dunlops have some pretty negative comments on Tirerack.com. Not sure how to take that....
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #2932
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Thanks. The Dunlops have some pretty negative comments on Tirerack.com. Not sure how to take that....
Exactly alot of variables come into play especially with awd vs rwd. The 3d's I would say r better for dry performance where as the blizzak lm-60 or 32's would say r better in snow and ice. Then there is nokian which r the best snow tire money can buy maybe check them out.
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Old 10-24-2012, 10:44 AM   #2933
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The Dunlop 3d's r compared to the lm-60 or 32's not the ws70's as they r not speed rated for the wrx or sti.
While true I was refering to a true snow tire vs a performance winter which is what I thought the OP was refering to. Hence the trade off of going with the 3D's.

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Thanks. The Dunlops have some pretty negative comments on Tirerack.com. Not sure how to take that....
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....inter+Sport+3D

I see a review of 8.27, 7.73, 8.36 what bad reviews are you seeing? I still go with my opinion and suggest them if your looking for a performance winter vs a traditional snow. Better on the highway, more stable, wears slower. You just understand with that your trading off for deep snow use. These wont be near as good as say a Blizzak WS70 in deep snow.
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:15 AM   #2934
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year: 2013
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I'm looking for a recommendation (Luke - are you still out there?) on winter tires. Picking up the car in early November when its delivered, and planning on putting snows on the stock wheels for the winter. Then next spring I'll sort out new wheels to go with the stock tires.

I commute weekly between Denver and Aspen on I-70 over two passes. I also spend a lot of time visiting various ski areas for work around Colorado. I want the best possible snow tires but ones that will behave ok on dry pavement at 80 mph. I read through much of this post before posting.

  • I've heard Blizzaks are great, but they wear quickly and aren't great on pavement (someone told me they track like a tank).
  • Sounds like the Dunlops might be the best choice for my needs - the best balance between snow and dry pavement.
  • I didn't see anyone talking about Hankooks. Anyone recommend those or know the characteristics?
Thank you in advance for your help.
given what you have said I think that the new "H" speed rated studless ice and snow Michelin X-Ice XI3 would be a good fit for your needs. That is if it is available in a size that would work for you ... call me to discuss the options
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:04 PM   #2935
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Should i go with steelies tires or these http://scranton.craigslist.org/pts/3330128922.html and new tires

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Old 10-24-2012, 02:48 PM   #2936
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If your in New York their recommended but not required. I got them installed in mine from tirerack but i heard you had to adjust the tpms for the right tire pressure. I wish i wouldnt have gotten it. Does anyone know how to adjust it as far as what you need to do it?
When I mounted my winter tires on rims (without TPMS) last month the local shop told me that your car will pass NYS inspection with the TPMS dashlight on this year, but next year your car will not pass if the light is on.

Based upon this, I plan on getting my car inspected early november (it is currently due in December) so I never have to worry about the TPMS light being on when the annual inspection is due.

After inspection in November, I can mount my snows for the season without the "MAN" hassling me.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:31 PM   #2937
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Looking at steelies without the sensors if at all possible. Downsizing is fine by me if clearance doesn't become an issue. I commute quite a bit on and off the highways but like to goof around in some winter trails a couple times a season, if I can accomplish both safely that'd be great!

Appreciate and look forward to your expert advice!
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Old 10-24-2012, 11:50 PM   #2938
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luke, I have a 13 wrx and live in Chicagoland. I already have 16 steel rims for winter rubber. I'm down to x-ice 3 or altimax arctics in 215/55/16.

realistically the tires will see cold dry pavement followed by cold wet pavement most. icy conditions next and then last conditions would be hard packed snow and finally fluffy untouched snow. I will drive to outlying areas where plowing is only on main roads but mostly I'll be on roads that get plows and salt. I know the x-ice is a good dry performer as well, can the altimax arctic hold a candle to it on the dry? does the x-ice just plain win all around? I look forward to your reply!
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:51 AM   #2939
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While true I was refering to a true snow tire vs a performance winter which is what I thought the OP was refering to. Hence the trade off of going with the 3D's.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....inter+Sport+3D

I see a review of 8.27, 7.73, 8.36 what bad reviews are you seeing? I still go with my opinion and suggest them if your looking for a performance winter vs a traditional snow. Better on the highway, more stable, wears slower. You just understand with that your trading off for deep snow use. These wont be near as good as say a Blizzak WS70 in deep snow.
This. The 3Ds treated me very well when I had my STI...maybe not the best in certain conditions but certainly very capable in all of them and dry performance was rather phenomenal for a tire winter tire.
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:24 AM   #2940
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luke, I have a 13 wrx and live in Chicagoland. I already have 16 steel rims for winter rubber. I'm down to x-ice 3 or altimax arctics in 215/55/16.

realistically the tires will see cold dry pavement followed by cold wet pavement most. icy conditions next and then last conditions would be hard packed snow and finally fluffy untouched snow. I will drive to outlying areas where plowing is only on main roads but mostly I'll be on roads that get plows and salt. I know the x-ice is a good dry performer as well, can the altimax arctic hold a candle to it on the dry? does the x-ice just plain win all around? I look forward to your reply!
Michelin X-Ice Xi2 and Xi3 got black dots in CR test in dry and wet. Only two winter tires (which happen to be the only performance winter tires in the test) got good in dry: I*cept Evo and Sottozero.
If your main concern is dry and wet in winter then look for performance winter tires.

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Old 10-25-2012, 08:58 AM   #2941
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Michelin X-Ice Xi2 and Xi3 got black dots in CR test in dry and wet. Only two winter tires (which happen to be the only performance winter tires in the test) got good in dry: I*cept Evo and Sottozero.
If your main concern is dry and wet in winter then look for performance winter tires.

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my post came off wrong, those aren't my main concerns. they are simply what the tire will be doing most. my main concern is honestly ice and snow, but I would like to have that performance along with a more normal feeling tire in the dry. I've heard the blizzak feels super unstable and wears quickly. I suppose I want to know if the x-ice and altimax arctic both wear better as well as feel more all season or if not which of the two does more. finally it seems the x-ice is just plain better than the arctic, maybe some feel it is comparable for these conditions? thanks for your insight.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:03 AM   #2942
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My WS50s worked well when they were new, but dont do so well in the deep stuff or on ice anymore now that they have a few seasons on them.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:03 AM   #2943
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Which Blizzak? There are many different models.

Usually studless winter are most unstable in dry and wet but they have very good ice and snow traction.
Altimax Arctic is studdable tire which depend on studs for ice traction.
And performance winters trade ice and snow for better wet and dry.

I think that studable but not studded are poor man's substitute for performance winter tires.

Good luck with your selection.

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Old 10-25-2012, 11:23 AM   #2944
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my post came off wrong, those aren't my main concerns. they are simply what the tire will be doing most. my main concern is honestly ice and snow, but I would like to have that performance along with a more normal feeling tire in the dry. I've heard the blizzak feels super unstable and wears quickly. I suppose I want to know if the x-ice and altimax arctic both wear better as well as feel more all season or if not which of the two does more. finally it seems the x-ice is just plain better than the arctic, maybe some feel it is comparable for these conditions? thanks for your insight.
If price is not a concern, get the H speed rated X-Ice Xi3. The Altimax will probably be more capable in deep snow, and better on ice if it is studded, but IMO the Xi3 is a more "civilized" tire with a better overall balance of performance. It has better ice traction than the unstudded Altimax. I don't know which wears faster, but the Xi3 has lower noise and lower rolling resistance, according to CR.

The only direct comparison of the Xi3 vs Xi2 vs Altimax I have seen is the 2012 CR test, and in terms of "handling" the ranking is Xi2 > Xi3 = Altimax. CR defines "handling" as subjective steering feel, wet/dry performance on the skidpad, and how the tire performs in an emergency avoidance maneuver.

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Old 10-25-2012, 05:21 PM   #2945
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my post came off wrong, those aren't my main concerns. they are simply what the tire will be doing most. my main concern is honestly ice and snow, but I would like to have that performance along with a more normal feeling tire in the dry. I've heard the blizzak feels super unstable and wears quickly. I suppose I want to know if the x-ice and altimax arctic both wear better as well as feel more all season or if not which of the two does more. finally it seems the x-ice is just plain better than the arctic, maybe some feel it is comparable for these conditions? thanks for your insight.
So you want a snow tire that handles well in the dry; good luck with trying to figure that one short of trying out the tires yourself. Nobody wants to publish tests showing the relative dry handling capabilities of these various snow and performance snow tires. All those tests on ice rinks are helpful, but only show part of the problem.

Yea, you want to be prepared for the worst conditions possible, but at what point do you want to sacrifice dry handling for snow traction. In my opinion, you cant really decide until you know how much you're giving up.
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Nobody wants to publish tests showing the relative dry handling capabilities of these various snow and performance snow tires. All those tests on ice rinks are helpful, but only show part of the problem.
Buy Nov 2012 Consumer Reports.

Go to ww.adac.de and if your German is as good as mine use google translate.
German car magazines have tests (auto bild, auto motor und sport), I think they have UK based subsidiaries too.

Russians are publishing interesting test results (they are using USA based test facilities).

http://www.zr.ru/content/articles/48...v_i_ajsbergov/

http://www.autoreview.ru/_archive/se...ECTION_ID=7083

Good luck.

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Old 10-26-2012, 02:30 AM   #2947
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So you want a snow tire that handles well in the dry; good luck with trying to figure that one short of trying out the tires yourself. Nobody wants to publish tests showing the relative dry handling capabilities of these various snow and performance snow tires. All those tests on ice rinks are helpful, but only show part of the problem.

Yea, you want to be prepared for the worst conditions possible, but at what point do you want to sacrifice dry handling for snow traction. In my opinion, you cant really decide until you know how much you're giving up.
I don't want or expect a snow tire that'll do 1g on the skid pad! I would like the dry performance to simply feel like a typical all season tire. I don't want it to feel ballooney and unstable. I don't actually expect great dry performance, just reasonable stability.
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SenorDucK, it sounds more and more like you want performace winter tires.
There is supposed to be more next year but now you can pick Dunlop 3D, Michelin Pilot Alpin PA4, Primacy Alpin and Pirelli Sottozero.

Krzys

PS They will not leave you stranded in snow but ice is not their strong side (probably better than best ice all seasons but worse than X-Ice Xi-2 or 3 or Blizzak WS series.
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Old 10-26-2012, 08:22 AM   #2949
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just want to confirm that there wont be any issues when i pick up these 16" oem wheels over the weekend? They are the oem 16" wrx multi spoke wheels. Was gonna get some 205/55/16 winters for if we get bad weather this year in TN. thanks guys.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:58 AM   #2950
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Well, since the 205/50-16 size has such limited options, I picked a good one and went with the Michelin Xi3's.

I just hope we get enough snow this year to justify buying these tires......
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