Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Saturday December 27, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Tire & Wheel Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Tire & Wheel

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-26-2012, 01:08 PM   #2951
SubLGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207528
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorDucK View Post
I don't want or expect a snow tire that'll do 1g on the skid pad! I would like the dry performance to simply feel like a typical all season tire. I don't want it to feel ballooney and unstable. I don't actually expect great dry performance, just reasonable stability.
From TR'S most recent winter test:
"Of the group, the Michelin X-Ice Xi3 delivered a driving experience most like an all-season tire, with relatively tight on-center feel when driving straight ahead and good progression as you turn the steering wheel. The Continental ExtremeWinterContact followed, also feeling predictable and stable. The Bridgestone Blizzak WS70 displayed a narrow dead band at center, requiring a little more steering input to begin changing direction. The Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice WRT delivered quick response to steering inputs, but felt a little unsettled during lane changes."

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=167
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
SubLGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 03:06 PM   #2952
krzyss
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8365
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Massachusetts
Vehicle:
2013 Ford Focus SE
Black

Default

It seems that X-Ice are bridging difference between studless and performance winter but I wonder how close are they to the best performance winters that are still not here in the USA.

Krzys
krzyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 03:29 PM   #2953
ManualOverAuto
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 304662
Join Date: Dec 2011
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Vehicle:
2001 Impreza L coupe
Sedona red Pearl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by krzyss
It seems that X-Ice are bridging difference between studless and performance winter but I wonder how close are they to the best performance winters that are still not here in the USA.

Krzys
I hope the xi3's do alright on the dry pavement, and don't wear too fast.

If the Primacy Alpin Pa3's (I think) were in stock, I would have ordered those, just because of the "performance winter" type. They were only in stock in the west coast and I didn't want to pay like $120+ for shipping.

As long as I can get 2-3 winters out of the xi3's, I'll be happy....and since they are a "snow" tire, I have all the more reason to go play in the snow.
ManualOverAuto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 05:20 PM   #2954
SubLGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207528
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by krzyss View Post
It seems that X-Ice are bridging difference between studless and performance winter but I wonder how close are they to the best performance winters that are still not here in the USA.

Krzys
For the price of only 20 SEK you can get a PDF of this Swedish test of the following winters and see how the Xi3 compares to the TS-850:

AGI Sarek 2
BF Goodrich g-Force Stud
Continental ContiIceContact
Dunlop Ice Touch
Gislaved Nord Frost 5
Good Year Ultragrip ICE Arctic
Hankook Winter i Pike RS2
Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7
Nordman 4


Bridgestone Blizzak WS70
Continental ContiViking Contact 55
Michelin X-ICE XI3
Nokian Hakkapeliitta R
Toyo Observe GSi-5


Continental ContiWinterContact TS850
Cooper WeatherMaster Snow
Dunlop SP Ice Sport
Star Performer Winter AS

http://www.teknikensvarld.se/vinterdacktest-2012/

About 2-3 years ago I read a press release from Michelin in which they stated the 3 major goals they had for their entire tire line:
1. improve tread life
2. improve wet braking
3. reduce rolling resistance

I believe (based on the tests and reviews I have seen so far) that they have achieved these goals with the Xi3, compared to the Xi2, but at the price of a slight reduction in ice traction.

Last edited by SubLGT; 10-26-2012 at 06:03 PM.
SubLGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 05:33 PM   #2955
CoffeeGuy
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 221285
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Basalt, CO
Vehicle:
2013 WRX Hatch
Dark Gray Metallic

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoffeeGuy View Post
year: 2013
make: Subaru
model: WRX hatch
location: Denver, CO / Aspen, CO
tires only or winter package: tires only

I'm looking for a recommendation (Luke - are you still out there?) on winter tires. Picking up the car in early November when its delivered, and planning on putting snows on the stock wheels for the winter. Then next spring I'll sort out new wheels to go with the stock tires.

I commute weekly between Denver and Aspen on I-70 over two passes. I also spend a lot of time visiting various ski areas for work around Colorado. I want the best possible snow tires but ones that will behave ok on dry pavement at 80 mph. I read through much of this post before posting.

  • I've heard Blizzaks are great, but they wear quickly and aren't great on pavement (someone told me they track like a tank).
  • Sounds like the Dunlops might be the best choice for my needs - the best balance between snow and dry pavement.
  • I didn't see anyone talking about Hankooks. Anyone recommend those or know the characteristics?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Thank you to the respondents. I sent my question directly to Luke at Tirerack as well. He suggested that I look at the XI3, which doesn't seem to come in the exact size of the stock tires (235/45-17), but does come in a 225/50-17. After learning quite a lot about tire sizes on this page (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete....jsp?techid=46), seems like it would be 10mm thinner and slightly taller than the stock tire.

My question is - does anyone know for sure whether those will fit on the stock wheels or would I need new wheels to fit those tires.

Thanks in advance.
CoffeeGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 06:08 PM   #2956
SubLGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207528
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT

Default

^^ If your rim width is 6" to 8" Michelin says you are good to go.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-sele...3/tire-details
SubLGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 07:09 PM   #2957
krzyss
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 8365
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Massachusetts
Vehicle:
2013 Ford Focus SE
Black

Default

It is almost $3.00.
Maybe if I knew Swedish.

But good find.

Krzys
krzyss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 07:26 PM   #2958
CoffeeGuy
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 221285
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Basalt, CO
Vehicle:
2013 WRX Hatch
Dark Gray Metallic

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SubLGT View Post
^^ If your rim width is 6" to 8" Michelin says you are good to go.

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-sele...3/tire-details
Hm - on that page, if you use the "Find out if my tire fits my vehicle" link, i get:

Your Search
2013 Subaru Impreza WRX Premium (Summer Tire)
Unfortunately, this tire line does not meet your vehicle's specifications.
However, we may have another tire line in our portfolio that does.

Odd. I guess I'll just buy wheels to go with those tires and then just keep the stock wheels with the summer tires.
CoffeeGuy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2012, 09:12 PM   #2959
SubLGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207528
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT

Default

^^ A 215/50-17 tire will be only about 0.1" larger diameter than a 235/45-17 tire, and will fit on a 7" wide wheel.
You just have to make sure they have the same,or higher, load rating as your original tires.

Last edited by SubLGT; 10-26-2012 at 09:21 PM.
SubLGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2012, 12:36 AM   #2960
dsn112
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 332561
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2015 Legacy LTD
Twilight Blue

Default

So hard to choose between the Blizzak WS-70, the Michelin ix3 and the Firestone WinterForce. I am going to mount them to 02 wrx 16s and get 205/50s. I live close to Philly in S Jersey and my roads get cleared pretty quickly during storms. I'd do nothing if they came all seasons stock but they don't so i am searching. What would you buy for an area that isn't too rough in winter usually*

Thanks for input !
dsn112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2012, 02:04 AM   #2961
Ronen91
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 324810
Join Date: Jul 2012
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Vehicle:
2013 STi
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronen91 View Post
Lol yeah I just checked tirerack lmao

Ain't gonna fly lol anyways gonna "bump" my request since it kinda got looked over..


Year: 2013 ETA 10/15
Make: Subaru
Model: WRX STi 4dr sedan base
Location: Chicago, IL
Tires only or Winter Package: Winter Package

Looking for the best performing option and the cheapest

Any tips Luke?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luke@tirerack View Post
in the Chicago area most people use a performance winter like the Dunlop Winter Sport 3D, Blizzak LM60 or the Primacy Pilot Alpin PA2. If you travel out to the 'burbns or the occasional ski trip the X-Ice XI3, Extreme Winter Contact, or Blizzak WS70 makes more since
long story short, I got my STi and I was wondering what the proper size is for a winter set? Tirerack is suggesting 235/45/17. I think the stock size is 245/40/18. What do you recommend, and do you think November will bring better winter tire promotions for Dunlop, Bridgestone, or Michelin?

The '13 STi hasn't been updated yet on tirerack.com Also it's a 4dr base

Thanks!
Ronen91 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2012, 02:09 AM   #2962
SubLGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207528
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsn112 View Post
...........What would you buy for an area that isn't too rough in winter usually*

Thanks for input !
A performance winter, like Dunlop 3D, Bridgestone LM60, Michelin PA3, etc
SubLGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2012, 02:22 PM   #2963
SubLGT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 207528
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Idaho
Vehicle:
2005 Legacy GT

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by krzyss View Post
It is almost $3.00.
Maybe if I knew Swedish.

But good find.

Krzys
Last years test report was a free download. Maybe a few months from now this 2012 report will also be free.
SubLGT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2012, 02:32 PM   #2964
Quahogger
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 303663
Join Date: Dec 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: wicked fah
Default

2011 STI hatch

Going to be picking up winter tires this week. A friend of mine swears by the hakkas, but these will be going on my stock wheels and I didn't see any options for the hakkas in 18". Is this the case? If so, I'm leaning towards the ws70. Had blizzaks on my protege5 and loved them. Thanks in advance.
Quahogger is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2012, 06:14 PM   #2965
dsn112
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 332561
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2015 Legacy LTD
Twilight Blue

Default

FalkenEspia winter tires? Great reviews and reasonable price. Anyone use them?
dsn112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2012, 06:50 PM   #2966
boilermaker29
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 278025
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: PA
Vehicle:
2011 IMP 2.5i HATCH
BLUE

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dsn112 View Post
So hard to choose between the Blizzak WS-70, the Michelin ix3 and the Firestone WinterForce. I am going to mount them to 02 wrx 16s and get 205/50s. I live close to Philly in S Jersey and my roads get cleared pretty quickly during storms. I'd do nothing if they came all seasons stock but they don't so i am searching. What would you buy for an area that isn't too rough in winter usually*

Thanks for input !
IMHO studless winter tires are overkill for South Jersey. I'm in Philly area and run performance winters and feel that even these are overkill a lot of the time.
boilermaker29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2012, 06:59 PM   #2967
boilermaker29
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 278025
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: PA
Vehicle:
2011 IMP 2.5i HATCH
BLUE

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorDucK View Post
I don't want or expect a snow tire that'll do 1g on the skid pad! I would like the dry performance to simply feel like a typical all season tire. I don't want it to feel ballooney and unstable. I don't actually expect great dry performance, just reasonable stability.
Problem is, when it comes to snow tires, you get an increasing amount of "ballooney and unstable" feeling as your cold weather traction increases.

Even on my Blizzak LM-25's or Michelin PA3's which are performance winter tires, feel mushier RELATIVE to all-seasons, and my all-seasons feel mushier than summer tires.
boilermaker29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2012, 07:42 PM   #2968
Snow Drift
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 75071
Join Date: Nov 2004
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NYC
Vehicle:
4 Train - Subway
Past: 05, 08, 11 Red WRXs

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by boilermaker29

Problem is, when it comes to snow tires, you get an increasing amount of "ballooney and unstable" feeling as your cold weather traction increases.

Even on my Blizzak LM-25's or Michelin PA3's which are performance winter tires, feel mushier RELATIVE to all-seasons, and my all-seasons feel mushier than summer tires.
My PA3s feel as sticky and stable in cornering as the stock summer dunlops. I look forward to the snows.
Snow Drift is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2012, 08:03 PM   #2969
dsn112
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 332561
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Tri-State
Vehicle:
2015 Legacy LTD
Twilight Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by boilermaker29

IMHO studless winter tires are overkill for South Jersey. I'm in Philly area and run performance winters and feel that even these are overkill a lot of the time.
I agree that down here it really isn't needed, but I don't want to use my stock summers here and crash into a curb because they can't grab the road when it's cold. I'd buy all seasons but seems like a waste of my summers.

Won't know if it was worth buying winters until the winter is over. Last winter I'd say it wouldn't have been worth it.

This is a safe then sorry buy

Although I am leaning towards the General Altimax Arctic with that eBay discount tire deal, the are like $350 after rebate

Last edited by dsn112; 10-28-2012 at 09:11 PM.
dsn112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2012, 10:07 AM   #2970
WiechWRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 249659
Join Date: Jun 2010
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: New Castle ,PA
Vehicle:
2012 WRX Limited
SWP

Default

Anybody ever use an all season tire called gt radial? Champiro makes them I guess. How well did they do in snow/rain and everyday driving?
WiechWRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 11:26 AM   #2971
V4NCITYRIDER
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 307939
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Tumbler Ridge, Canada
Vehicle:
2012 WRX Base Sedan
WRB

Default

hi everyone, thinking of down sizing to 215/55/16 and wondering if a wheel with a +35 offset would fit with no issues (car: 2012 WRX 4 door sedan). Seems to me like +35 is generally low for this car but considering the fact that i'm down sizing would that make a difference? Thanks!
V4NCITYRIDER is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 01:39 PM   #2972
Cody
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 42048
Join Date: Aug 2003
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: Sonoma County
Vehicle:
03 WRX Wagon
Sonic Yellow

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by V4NCITYRIDER View Post
hi everyone, thinking of down sizing to 215/55/16 and wondering if a wheel with a +35 offset would fit with no issues (car: 2012 WRX 4 door sedan). Seems to me like +35 is generally low for this car but considering the fact that i'm down sizing would that make a difference? Thanks!
I don't think offset requirments have changed on the newer WRXs, in which case, you actually want to go with a higher offset on a narrower wheel. My stock 16's came with a +51 offset IIRC. You should try to find some used OEM 16's since they're so cheap. Mine would only be worth about $150 on Craigslist, but I'd never sell them for even twice that since they're perfect for snow tires (and I paid a lot to get them powder coated black).
Cody is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 02:56 PM   #2973
BigRob74
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 305107
Join Date: Dec 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Long Island, NY
Vehicle:
2012 wrx
360/386 E85

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by V4NCITYRIDER View Post
hi everyone, thinking of down sizing to 215/55/16 and wondering if a wheel with a +35 offset would fit with no issues (car: 2012 WRX 4 door sedan). Seems to me like +35 is generally low for this car but considering the fact that i'm down sizing would that make a difference? Thanks!
go with stock 02 wheels and a 205/60/16 just ordered all this for my 2012 sedan
BigRob74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 03:08 PM   #2974
xluben
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 261612
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Sedan
10.9s @ 128mph

Default

My winter setup for this year. 2011 WRX Stock wheels and 225/45R17 General Altimax Arctic tires.







I previously had 215/55R16 General Altimax Arctic tires on 16" steelies.
xluben is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2012, 03:39 PM   #2975
BigRob74
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 305107
Join Date: Dec 2011
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Long Island, NY
Vehicle:
2012 wrx
360/386 E85

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xluben View Post

I previously had 215/55R16 General Altimax Arctic tires on 16" steelies.
how do you like these tires? i made a decision on some reviews on tire rack and some other searching. seeing how this is your 2nd set, i guess you like them
BigRob74 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
This here is the Android OS thread. All phones, news, general info welcome. under pressure Off-Topic 10849 12-13-2011 11:10 PM
WTB: Winter wheels/ or All season tires on wheels, or just all season tires! Robstunner MWSOC Private Classifieds 0 10-29-2009 12:42 PM
Winter Tires vs. All Season Tires wrx425 Tire & Wheel 22 01-16-2009 12:34 AM
same tire thread all around for AWD? MystikalDawn Newbies & FAQs 6 10-15-2008 12:28 PM
Anybody get tired of all your mods and go back to stock or somewhere in between?? Farnsrocket Factory 2.0L Turbo Powertrain (EJ Series Factory 2.0L Turbo) 31 09-11-2007 11:06 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.