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Old 11-06-2012, 04:35 PM   #3101
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I am looking for the cheapest route possible for a one time round-trip from Houston - Eldora, CO. I plan to sell the package as soon as I get back home.
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Old 11-06-2012, 04:52 PM   #3102
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between 7-8/32nd on 3 tires with one at 9/32 (it was replaced after one season). Effective depth is 6/32, right? lol
The WS70 starts out with 12/32", and tirerack says:

"When the Blizzak WS70 is 50 percent worn, a tread depth indicator molded into the tread design lets the driver know that only 10 percent of the remaining tread is the Tube Multicell compound."

So it appears you are still in the multicell layer, and will still have good traction on ice.

In deep snow, traction may be compromised, but in compacted snow, you should be OK.

The biggest performance drop will probably be in wet braking.

In 2011, the Swedish magazine Vi Bilagare tested two sets of the 5 winter tires listed below, one set with full tread depth, and a second set with tread shaved down to a depth of 4.5 mm (slightly less than 6/32").

Nokian HakkaR
Michelin Xi2
Continental ContiVikingContact5 (twin of ExtremeWinterContact?)
Goodyear UltraGrip Ice+
Hankook Icebear W440

They asked themselves: What effects does shallow tread depth have on winter performance?

One of the surprising results to me was the minimal degradation of snow traction with shallow tread depth. Two of the tires, the Conti and GY, even had slightly shorter braking distances in the snow with a shallow tread, compared to full tread depth. Keep in mind this testing was done on groomed, semi-compacted snow, not deep, freshly fallen snow. In the case of freshly fallen snow, results could be different.

Snow braking distances increased by an average of only 2.7%. Snow acceleration times increased by an average of only 1.6%. Performance on the "snow slope" test worsened by only an average of 3.5% (but the Hankook had a loss of 12.2%). The Hankook had the worst overall snow performance losses of the 5 tires tested, but the least wet braking degradation.

Ice braking distances increased by an average of only 3.6% (but 10.3% for the Michelin, only 0.8% for the Nokian). Ice acceleration times increased by an average of only 5.5%.

Hydroplaning resistance decreased by an average of 12.7% Slush-planing resistance decreased by an average of 10.5%

By far the largest performance degradation with the shallow tread was in wet braking. On average, stopping distances were increased by 22.9%, with a low of 6.7% (Hankook) and a high of 36.8% (Nokian).

Here is the ranking of performance degradation that is seen when tread depth decreases to 4.5 mm:
wet braking > hydroplaning > slush planing > ice acceleration > ice braking > snow braking > snow acceleration
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:02 PM   #3103
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year: 2011
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tires only or winter package: winter package

I am looking for the cheapest route possible for a one time round-trip from Houston - Eldora, CO. I plan to sell the package as soon as I get back home.
Look in Craigslist first, for a used set of performance winters, with at least 8/32" tread, and no older than 4 years.
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Old 11-06-2012, 05:06 PM   #3104
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Thanks for the great info SubLGT! If anything, it should get me through a month or so.
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:19 PM   #3105
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I've been reading and reading for recommendations. It seems a lot of people are in everyday snow/ice areas.

year: 2012
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model: Impreza Sport Premium
location: Seattle, WA
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The stock tires aren't too great in the rain. I do go snowboarding quite often on weekends in winter, but snow isn't a daily occurrence in Seattle, rain is. Wouldn't mind staying with 17" or downsizing to 16" rims. Any specific recommendations on tires?
Thanks!
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Old 11-06-2012, 07:41 PM   #3106
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I've been reading and reading for recommendations. It seems a lot of people are in everyday snow/ice areas.

year: 2012
make: Subaru
model: Impreza Sport Premium
location: Seattle, WA
tires only or winter package: winter package

The stock tires aren't too great in the rain. I do go snowboarding quite often on weekends in winter, but snow isn't a daily occurrence in Seattle, rain is. Wouldn't mind staying with 17" or downsizing to 16" rims. Any specific recommendations on tires?
Thanks!
My best recommendation for u would be to get a set of good wet weather tires as the stockers really do suck in wet weather.

If u r going into the mountains alot I would consider steel wheels with studded snow tires as the Seattle mountain ranges get alot of ice and snow hope this helps.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:04 PM   #3107
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in erie i REALLY liked the michelin x-ice 2 for similar use to you. expecting the same from the x-ice 3 if can't find nokian r locally

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year: 2011
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I also put on a lot of miles, so tire life is fairly important to me. I've had my car 1 year and put on 40,000 miles.
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Old 11-06-2012, 09:09 PM   #3108
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not much better than typical all seasons. those on my wrx sat in the driveway while we drove my girl's 328 rear driver with x-ice - which prompted me selling the dunlop and installing x-ice.

re: the get all season comments - not sound advice for our environment/region. not sound advice at all

the nokian WRG2 is also a sound option if you are certain to be leaving. it is a nice winter tire for one season, then about the same as that dunlop. it's benefits are it doesn't lose useful life as drastically as true winter tires when driven in warm temps.

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What say you about the Dunlop Graspic DS-3?
(http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....wtpackage=true)
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:29 AM   #3109
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Great......it's supposed to snow tonight and I still have my summers on. Should be interesting.

I can't put my winters on yet though. Still getting temperatures in the 50's and 60's on Friday and Saturday.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:49 AM   #3110
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Great......it's supposed to snow tonight and I still have my summers on. Should be interesting.

I can't put my winters on yet though. Still getting temperatures in the 50's and 60's on Friday and Saturday.
Same here. The temps are all over the place
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:33 AM   #3111
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Default 16" wheels for snow tire

Year: 2012
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I was given a set of snow tires (205/55/R16). I need to know if
there are any 16" wheels that will fit my vehicle. Does anyone know
if any other stock Subaru 16s will fit or what size steelies I would need
to get if there are no stock wheels that'll work. I'm concerned with the brake
clearance and what offset I can use.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:39 AM   #3112
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Year: 2012
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I was given a set of snow tires (205/55/R16). I need to know if
there are any 16" wheels that will fit my vehicle. Does anyone know
if any other stock Subaru 16s will fit or what size steelies I would need
to get if there are no stock wheels that'll work. I'm concerned with the brake
clearance and what offset I can use.
TireRack.com and enter your car's information for a Winter tire/wheel package.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:46 AM   #3113
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I'd rather buy used. They're only for snow tires. Ideally I'd like to just grab some tires off a wreck at the kick yard.
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:47 AM   #3114
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Old 11-07-2012, 11:54 AM   #3115
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Tire rack doesn't give me a 16" option.
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:14 PM   #3116
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Tire rack doesn't give me a 16" option.
Yes it does. Enter your vehicle's year/model etc, then click "Winter tire & wheel package", then it will give you a 16" and 17" option, click on the 16" option and follow the steps.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:03 PM   #3117
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2011 STI sedan
Want a 17in rim that can fit over the breaks
and a recommendation on winter tires.
Live in newjersey and only see snow a few times a year so dont need to shell out for the best set of winters around.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:42 PM   #3118
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I drive to utah and cali to go snowboarding seasonally, do winter tires replace the need for chains?
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:55 PM   #3119
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It's the first snow of the winter here in PA. It's not even laying and they are putting down ****ing salt already.

I hate the damn salt.

Snow tires go on after this weekend.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:27 PM   #3120
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2010 STi. Stock ride hight now but thinking about a drop in the spring. I have 18x8 wheels I would like to use for winters. I know the stock tire size is 245/40/18's but I would like to run a 225/45/18 to give me a little extra sidewall for NYC pothole filled winters. Any potential problems besides the speedo being a little off??

Thx
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:27 PM   #3121
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought downshifting means I'm using my AWD when engine braking...I thought it made a noticeable difference last year vs. just using the brakes. Was it all mental?
You are right that engine braking does work, but remember it is all dependent on your tire's contact with the road. AWD will help prevent a spin in that the rear tires will also brake, but AWD will not prevent sliding if you do not have adequate traction. Just my opinion but living in the mountains and travelling in snow season has given me experience with both all season and winters. I recommend winters over all seasons unreservedly so.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:26 AM   #3122
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Thanks for the help guys, I'm going with the Xi2's! Currently ordering from tirerack


Edit: nevermind. out of freakin stock. I waited too long :-(
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:53 AM   #3123
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You snooze you lose, those are a hot item
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:56 AM   #3124
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I guess so! I got Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice WRT XL instead
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:35 AM   #3125
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year:2012
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location: Boston, MA
tires only or winter package: Dunlop snows on 16" (Nitrogen fill)

TPMS lit up this morning (installed the tires yesterday).
Is this to be expected using wheels that aren't same size?
FYI - The wheels are used. (old WRX 02-03 wheels)
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