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Old 09-15-2010, 12:12 AM   #951
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Anybody from Seattle gonna use studs this winter? Planning on taking my 07 Sti up the pass numerous times this year and I'm just unsure if I should go studded or studless. Not sure how many people with awd actually go studded.Opinions would be much appreciated.
i've never needed studs in the Seattle area w/ AWD. I only ran them on my BMW. Get a good winter tire (Nokian FTW)
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Old 09-15-2010, 12:13 AM   #952
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Anybody from Seattle gonna use studs this winter? Planning on taking my 07 Sti up the pass numerous times this year and I'm just unsure if I should go studded or studless. Not sure how many people with awd actually go studded.Opinions would be much appreciated.
i've never needed studs in the Seattle area w/ AWD. I only ran them on my BMW. Get a good studless winter tire (Nokian FTW)
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Old 09-15-2010, 01:55 PM   #953
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I'm looking for some decent snow tires for this winter. I've never been through a Rochester winter, but supposedly they aren't that much worse (snowfall wise) than where I hailed from in the Hudson Valley region of NY, just longer and colder. I've also done winters in everything from RWD E30 BMW's with crappy all seasons to a Jeep Wrangler, so i've got a decently wide variety of snow-handle characteristics. My only question is: Studless class Vs Performance class?

I'm assuming Performance Winter because once a month (and for holidays) I do a 5-hour drive back home (5 down, 5 up) that is all highway. But, I have no problem keeping it around 65-70mph and not agressive at all. My daily commute is only about 15-20 minutes aswell in Roch.

Just looking for some opinions, thanks guys.

In Rochester and staying there I would suggest a studless tire like the X Ice XI2 of the Extreme Winter COntact but, that long distance drive makes me think the Blizzak LM60 would be a better choice

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Old 09-15-2010, 04:09 PM   #954
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^ In your shoes, I would favor the "Performance Winters," BS87, both because of your long-distance cruise (where the tires will offer you a more relaxed highway ride, as well as potentially more clear [wet/dry] highway emergency-maneuvering capabilities), as well as because you're obviously an experienced winter driver, and therefore should inherently understand the performance/safety envelope of your tires as well as vehicle (and your own capabilities).

The counter-argument to the above would be that, on those long trips, should you one day bite off a little more than you can chew, and depart school/work for your journey home only to have the storm really intensify along the way, the "Studless Ice & Snows" will give you quite a bit larger safety margin in fresh powder, compacted snow, and ice....

So this, again, goes back to that fundamental question I always like to put out there - a question that outahere and DrCloud on LegacyGT.com so eloquently revised: do you want to prepare for the most common 3/4, or the worst 1/4?

FWIW, a colleague of mine is a Rochester native who came to join us via Boston. His first winter in Cleveland, in his then-new Lexus GS AWD sedan, he realized that he needed winter tires - not because he didn't know how to drive in this stuff, for he grew up in it - rather, because he needed an extra edge so that he can maneuver himself out of the way of danger: i.e. other drivers. He has been, for the past two winters (granted, our last one was very mild), very, very happy with his "Performance Winter" tires.
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Old 09-16-2010, 06:33 PM   #955
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Luke owes you all of his October winter tire sales commission!
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Old 09-16-2010, 08:03 PM   #956
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^ Oh, he's paying me back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, wait-a-minute, I'm gonna be buying a set of Pirellis from him, soon....hey!!! that's double commissions!!!!


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Old 09-17-2010, 10:28 AM   #957
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i have a set of 225/45/17 Continental Extreme Contact Tires with about 30% should i be able to get through this winter into spring with out any worries?
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No. Once an all-season tire gets below about 50% of original tread depth, its snow-handling ability drops sharply. You probably don't need snow tires in RI, but at least get new all-seasons with a good snow rating. (You could keep the Contis for next summer)
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Old 09-17-2010, 10:54 AM   #958
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I'm not Luke (Luke, where are you?!!?!!), but I'd like to give things a shot, since I enjoy the discussion.

What you guys saw there was a once-in-a-decade thing (well, unless all those global-warming scientists are right, that is....; OK, in all honesty, I lived there, cumulatively, for more than 10 years - first as a pre-teen child, and then returning for college) - so unless you want to stock an extra set of the absolute best studded winter tires just for that kind of an event, I'd recommend that you first play around a bit with the tire pressures of your RE92s, to see if you can get them where you want them, for the winter, and to then consider stepping up to more winter-capable tires.

I'm being flat honest in saying that my wife and I used our respective RE92s for three and one (they expired during the next summer, due to tread damage) NE-Ohio winters, and as long as you drive within their envelope, you'll truly be just fine. And yes, this included our Mother's Day, 2005, blizzard. The snow was two feet in places, and we never got stuck.

But if you feel uncomfortable with the RE92s, you can rest-assured that virtually any of the "Performance Winter" tires would do you just fine - as would a more winter-capable all-season, such as the Nokian WR/WRG2 - particularly if you minded the treadwear, and switched out to a new set when you reach 6/32nd or so.

One thing I remember about the Baltimore area is that snow removal just isn't quite up-to-par, as compared to those areas of the US which see more routine/reliable snow. Given that's the case, know that although you'll gain significantly more winter-capable traction with the "Performance Winter" tires, you'll still need to watch it that you don't get too deep into fresh powder or go too aggressively on compacted snow or ice. The "Performance Winter" is a compromise towards clear-weather civility and performance, with many of the top-rated tires approaching the behavior of a good set of all-season tires, even when it's up in the 60-degree range - this compromise means that you won't be a snowmobile.
@ "once-in-a-decade thing" - I hope that's the case! I hate cold/snow/winter!

What "Performance Winter" Tires would you recommend? I have no clue which is good for the price... I'm cheap and only going to be using them in the winter.. So cheaper the better

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^ I'd wait until both Consumer Reports as well as, even better, the ADAC releases their data.

From winter-tire guru outahere on LegacyGT.com:

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The November 2010 issue of CR will have their tire test results, including performance winters, of which the top 3 are the Nokian WR G2, Hankook Winter i*Cept Evo, and the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA3.

http://www.tirereview.com/Article/79..._michelin.aspx

The German ADAC test results of performance winters should be available around Sep 23 (assuming I have read the German text correctly).
But for sure-bets, you can simply look to the ADAC data from last year - those same "highly recommended" tires may or may not be top-dogs this time around, but you can bet that they're still going to do plenty well.

The Dunlop SP WinterSport 3D is a good example. As of even a few seasons ago, it was no longer top-dog, yet, it continues to do very well, despite the passage of time.

You can extend the same reasoning, to this year's, too.

And one good thing about buying tires that are no longer the top-dog?

Their prices are usually more reasonable, too. You'll lose bragging rights at the bar, but you'll be able to buy more drinks.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:50 AM   #960
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^ In your shoes, I would favor the "Performance Winters," BS87, both because of your long-distance cruise (where the tires will offer you a more relaxed highway ride, as well as potentially more clear [wet/dry] highway emergency-maneuvering capabilities), as well as because you're obviously an experienced winter driver, and therefore should inherently understand the performance/safety envelope of your tires as well as vehicle (and your own capabilities).

The counter-argument to the above would be that, on those long trips, should you one day bite off a little more than you can chew, and depart school/work for your journey home only to have the storm really intensify along the way, the "Studless Ice & Snows" will give you quite a bit larger safety margin in fresh powder, compacted snow, and ice....

So this, again, goes back to that fundamental question I always like to put out there - a question that outahere and DrCloud on LegacyGT.com so eloquently revised: do you want to prepare for the most common 3/4, or the worst 1/4?

FWIW, a colleague of mine is a Rochester native who came to join us via Boston. His first winter in Cleveland, in his then-new Lexus GS AWD sedan, he realized that he needed winter tires - not because he didn't know how to drive in this stuff, for he grew up in it - rather, because he needed an extra edge so that he can maneuver himself out of the way of danger: i.e. other drivers. He has been, for the past two winters (granted, our last one was very mild), very, very happy with his "Performance Winter" tires.
Thanks for all of your help. I will probably go with a studless ice/snow. I tend to be the type that prepares for the worst. Also, the way i drive during the winter i would not nearly push *any* tire to it's limits, so the extra snow traction i might get would be worth it to me, i think.

Anyone run 195/60/16's?? I see alot of 205/60/16 but hows about 195's?

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Old 09-17-2010, 01:02 PM   #961
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Thanks for all of your help. I will probably go with a studless ice/snow. I tend to be the type that prepares for the worst. Also, the way i drive during the winter i would not nearly push *any* tire to it's limits, so the extra snow traction i might get would be worth it to me, i think.
^ Good stuff - if you're preparing for the worst, then "Studless Ice & Snows" will definitely get you there. Just remember that with our Subarus, their relatively light weight as well as lower ground clearance means that getting high-centered is still a death-sentence (OK, maybe not that bad , but you get my meaning , and you'll be fine, otherwise.

Last winter, in my wife's '09 FXT shod with 215/50/17 Xi2s, I made a pretty severe emergency lane-change on the highway (about 70 MPH) - dry/clear conditions - sure, compared to my LGT and her WRX, the vehicle felt like it was gonna topple over , but that of course didn't happen, and even VDC didn't get tripped. I was decently impressed with the tires, to say the least.

Still, given the weaknesses of the "Studless Ice & Snows," in the clear (wet or dry), I'd just have that in the back of your mind, as you're making your highway commutes. You're a cautious driver, and modern "Studless Ice & Snows" will go a long way towards expanding that safety envelope.
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Old 09-17-2010, 02:15 PM   #962
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I have been here just pretty slammed and only operating at about 70% while recovering from the accident .... thanks again for addiing to the discussion
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Old 09-17-2010, 06:28 PM   #963
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^ Hope you're back in full trim soon!
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Old 09-18-2010, 12:12 AM   #964
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I've got my new summer-shoed WRX on order and need to get some winter tires lined-up. I have a 22 mile drive cross-town to work and do a lot of driving to hockey games (sometimes out of town).

I've used snow & ice tires for the past 15 years. I'm considering the Continental ExtremeWinterContact (205/55R16 T). Has anybody else tried them? They have good reviews and a reasonable price on tirerack.

BTW Luke, I saw a field for "Optional Referral Number" on the tirerack site. What is that for?


I think the Extreme Winter Contact would be a good choice for you as they offer traction that rivals the best offerings from both Bridgestone and Michelin without the squirmy feeling of the Blizzak in the dry. The reference number thing is used for special promotions which we have occasionally.

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Old 09-18-2010, 11:44 AM   #965
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I have a quick question, there are a set of 4 brand new Blizzaks for $250, but they are small P215/70 R14. Will these fit my 02? Thanks


you can not fit 14's on a WRX

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Old 09-18-2010, 01:29 PM   #966
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The WRX comes with 16" rims. Those are 14" they will not fit. I don't eve think 14" rims would fit over the brakes.

The 215 is fine, but 70 is very tall.

You should look for 205 or 215, 50 or 55 16's.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:07 PM   #967
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how about having winter tires in northern virginia area???


a performance winter tire is highly recommended for your area

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Old 09-19-2010, 10:45 PM   #968
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I've got my new summer-shoed WRX on order and need to get some winter tires lined-up. I have a 22 mile drive cross-town to work and do a lot of driving to hockey games (sometimes out of town).

I've used snow & ice tires for the past 15 years. I'm considering the Continental ExtremeWinterContact (205/55R16 T). Has anybody else tried them? They have good reviews and a reasonable price on tirerack.

BTW Luke, I saw a field for "Optional Referral Number" on the tirerack site. What is that for?
I love my Conti DWS's however like you I have been driving on snow and ice tires for some time now and found out quick that the DWS is still an all-season and once the temp got below 30 degrees F. I noticed that they froze up and did not grip well. I have been spoiled with my snow and ice tires so it was hard for me to compare. Also this would be my second winter on the tires and I notice on my last rotation that the letter S on DWS was worn away (indicating that snow traction is no longer the best) so there is no way I would run them this winter. My .02.
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Just get Winter tires...
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One last question: Anyone here run both General Altimax Arctics and Blizzaks (WS-60 line)? Or have experiences/opinions on a comparison?

Debating between the WS60/WS70 and the Arctics.

Thanks!


The WS70 is the better of the two when it comes to ice and snow traction ... the General is better when not in the snow and ice

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i am planing on doing some winter rally cross this year and was wondering if you carried any racing tires, I don't think they allow studded but I don't mind studable. I have a

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also may like a package if you got some not lame rim choices with better than 38 offset as my current rim snowpacks pretty bad sometimes.


we have several wheel options with 45-53 offset which is Subi specific ... look into the tire rules for the racing you are planning on doing because you don't want to spend good money on tires if they are not legal to run in the class you are in.

street class snow cross. only rule is DOT, no stud.
I have my car setup to fit with the 42 offset with rolled fenders and its as tight as I like. but my current wheel/tire is a bit oversized.
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I'm curious if there is clearance for 16" since the car comes stock with 17's.

It there an advantage between 16" & 17" with respect to actual winter performance?

I also presume I need to get TPMS mounted too?

16's will perform better in the snow than the 17" counterpart as the 16's typically have a norrower footprint and more sidewall deflection.

a 16" steel wheel with some WS70's and sensors is only $796.00 plus shipping (add $135 for a quickset tool)

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I'm curious if there is clearance for 16" since the car comes stock with 17's.

It there an advantage between 16" & 17" with respect to actual winter performance?

I also presume I need to get TPMS mounted too?
If you go under the winter section of TireRack, it says that the 16" will fit, using a 205/55 R16 tire.

I don't think there would be much difference in performance between the two sizes, just one gives you more sidewall to absorb potholes n such.

I'm going to do a test mount of my 2002 WRX wheels on my 2011 WRX and see how well it fits. I can post the results.
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tires only or winter package: tires only (225/45/17 or 235/45/17)

not looking for the best winter tire and would like to keep the set around $550 (after tax/shipping) or less. had a set of blizzak lm-22s last season and they performed as expected during our blizzards and on dry tarmac. i'd like a performance winter tire (but not set on them) so i'm leaning towards the hankook icebear w300, falken eurowinter hs439, dunlop graspic ds-3, pirelli winter 210 sz serie ii, or the conti extremewintercontact.

steel wheels and 195/60-16 WS60 = $564.00 plus shipping

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not looking for the best winter tire and would like to keep the set around $550 (after tax/shipping) or less. had a set of blizzak lm-22s last season and they performed as expected during our blizzards and on dry tarmac. i'd like a performance winter tire (but not set on them) so i'm leaning towards the hankook icebear w300, falken eurowinter hs439, dunlop graspic ds-3, pirelli winter 210 sz serie ii, or the conti extremewintercontact.
The Dunlop Graspic series is their "Studless Ice & Snow" tires, as is the Conti EWC, of their branding. If you wanted to stay with the "Performance Winters" of each brand, you'll want to look at, instead, the SP WinterSport series or the ContiWinterContact series, respectively.

Neither the Hankook nor the Falken have been top-finishers in various European tests (or of past by Consumer Reports; add another caveat in that some of the European tests really are biased against "Performance Winters"), but of the two, the Hankooks do still enjoy a very good reputation among Subaru owners, and a variant of the the new Winter i*cept evo ranked highly on this year's CR tests (which is already, itself, being debated in the enthusiast community).

Similarly, the Pirelli 210s have been a mid-grade performer in most tests....

Overall, given the lack of clarity of the latest CR test, I'd wait at least until you can see some data from this year's ADAC testing - which should be available by this weekend.
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