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Old 09-22-2010, 06:11 PM   #976
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thanks for the info. i don't want too good a winter tire cause they take all the fun out of driving in the snow
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Old 09-22-2010, 07:33 PM   #977
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^ That's very understandable, too.

In some ways, for me, a "Performance Winter" is perfect, because I can, when I want to, engage in "heroics" - albeit in slow-motion.

Like I've said before, in my wife's car, which has on a set of good "Studless Ice & Snows," I need to get up to scary-fast speeds before I can get any good fun going, and for a guy like me, even in deserted parking lots or on similarly deserted roadways, that's still just a little too fast for comfort!
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Old 09-22-2010, 11:43 PM   #978
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so how much snow we getting in the mid atlantic this winter??
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:03 AM   #979
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The 2010 German ADAC test results of performance winters (225-45/17 H) are now online:

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests...cePageId=31821

Many of the tires tested are available in north America.
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:37 AM   #980
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Schnee & eis!
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Old 09-23-2010, 09:42 AM   #981
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If you go under the winter section of TireRack, it says that the 16" will fit, using a 205/55 R16 tire.

I don't think there would be much difference in performance between the two sizes, just one gives you more sidewall to absorb potholes n such.

I'm going to do a test mount of my 2002 WRX wheels on my 2011 WRX and see how well it fits. I can post the results.
Yes, I'd like to see how that turns out.
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Old 09-23-2010, 11:13 AM   #982
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Anyone ever run 215/60/17 for a winter tire on a WRX?
Will it even fit? It's about 3" bigger than stock IIRC

I highly doubt you could get it to fit

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Old 09-23-2010, 11:14 AM   #983
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Anyone ever run 215/60/17 for a winter tire on a WRX?
Will it even fit? It's about 3" bigger than stock IIRC
What year WRX? And why would you run that large of a tire profile?
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Old 09-23-2010, 12:49 PM   #984
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year: 2010
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tires only or winter package: Winter package.

Looking at the Continental ExtremeWinterContact at 205/55R16. I have about a 20 minute commute to work in good weather. I typically take the highway to work and avoid it on the way home. Have to make two drives to Green Bay, WI and it seems to always snow either there or back. My thought is be ready for anything and get the studless ice & snow tires. Winters can be pretty brutal around here.

Does this seem like the right choice?

for your needs the Conti is a good choice
use this link to order them

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Old 09-23-2010, 01:54 PM   #985
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I'm going to do a test mount of my 2002 WRX wheels on my 2011 WRX and see how well it fits. I can post the results.
Please do post your results; I have the exact same question.

I contacted my local dealer's service dept yesterday and they said it "should work", although the individual couldn't back that up with documentation or confidence. He recommended I check with 1-800-SUBARU3 - anyone had luck calling here for questions like this?

I'm particulary interested in whether '02 (or later) WRX wheels will fit properly on a '11 in terms of offset, clearance, etc., to ensure there are no issues down the road... so to speak Thanks in advance!

the bolt pattern and offset will match .. .no question
brake caliper clearance is the only unknown

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Old 09-23-2010, 02:13 PM   #986
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Please do post your results; I have the exact same question.

I contacted my local dealer's service dept yesterday and they said it "should work", although the individual couldn't back that up with documentation or confidence. He recommended I check with 1-800-SUBARU3 - anyone had luck calling here for questions like this?

I'm particulary interested in whether '02 (or later) WRX wheels will fit properly on a '11 in terms of offset, clearance, etc., to ensure there are no issues down the road... so to speak Thanks in advance!
I plan on doing this tonight. I know the tire is going to look narrow as crap, and may not extend to the edge of the wheel well, but in winter who cares.

I had a pic of a 2009 with the 2002 wheels on it. Assuming the brakes haven't changed, all is well...

found the pic!



Remember that's a 2009, so no widebody. I'll have my pics up tonight.

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Old 09-23-2010, 03:06 PM   #987
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I plan on doing this tonight. I know the tire is going to look narrow as crap, and may not extend to the edge of the wheel well, but in winter who cares.
Agreed - I'd rather make it where I'm going safely than look good going into a ditch

It will be great to get a pic and confirmation that the wheels will fit.

Additionally, I'm wondering if anyone has advice on whether or not there will be issues with offset (etc.)? With the '11 wider track, wider wheels, etc., are there more considerations we should make than "will the '02 wheels physically fit"?
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Old 09-23-2010, 03:24 PM   #988
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Agreed - I'd rather make it where I'm going safely than look good going into a ditch

It will be great to get a pic and confirmation that the wheels will fit.

Additionally, I'm wondering if anyone has advice on whether or not there will be issues with offset (etc.)? With the '11 wider track, wider wheels, etc., are there more considerations we should make than "will the '02 wheels physically fit"?
I think the wider might make life easier, the offset difference between the '11 and '02 wheels is like a few mm, but the 02 wheel is only 6.5 wide, not 8. What concerns would you have other than caliper clearance / strut clearance?

offset is only 2 millimeter different (53 as opposed to 55) so, that won't matter. The 2011 uses a 8.5" width and the 02 is only 6.5 as stated which means the face of the 2002 wheel will be inboard an additional 23.4 millimeter (just about 1")

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Old 09-23-2010, 03:31 PM   #989
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I think the wider might make life easier, the offset difference between the '11 and '02 wheels is like a few mm, but the 02 wheel is only 6.5 wide, not 8. What concerns would you have other than caliper clearance / strut clearance?
A while back when I was looking at new wheels for my '02 bugeye, I remember horror stories of wheel bearings going out by using the incorrect offset. My assumption is all will be OK with prior-year wheels, but I'd be POd at myself if I didn't do my homework and something goes wrong with my '11.
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Old 09-23-2010, 05:32 PM   #990
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What year WRX? And why would you run that large of a tire profile?
Never mind, i typed in the wrong specs, i meant 205/50/17 which then yielded tons of search results


many have used that size

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Old 09-23-2010, 05:57 PM   #991
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Looks as if everything will fit just dandy, plenty of room around the rotor and caliper, no issues with clearing the shock. The tires I have on these wheels are 205/50/R16 The proper size for the WRX is 205/55/R16 so you'd have a little more sidewall.

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Old 09-23-2010, 06:15 PM   #992
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Good news, nice pics, and sweet ride (my '02 was blue... was my 2nd choice, I went black but the blue is very nice!)

Any chance of a pic(s) of the '02 rims with the suspension loaded (no jack)?
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Good news, nice pics, and sweet ride (my '02 was blue... was my 2nd choice, I went black but the blue is very nice!)

Any chance of a pic(s) of the '02 rims with the suspension loaded (no jack)?
lol, I should have but i have a feeling it will be very similar to the 09 above. 02 wheel is back on the legacy.
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Old 09-23-2010, 06:58 PM   #994
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year: 2004
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It is my first winter here, I have heard that the winters are very comparable to Edmonton, AB where I lived for 10 years. Basically the roads are super icy and temps hit around -40. I want something that will keep me firmly planted while dd'ing 50 km's to and from work every day, yet be able to do a little rallying when an appropriate time presents its self.

Thanks!!

for studless Ice and snow look at these
Michelin X Ice XI2
Continental Extreme Winter Contact
Blizzak WS70

for studdable look at these:
General Altimax Arctic
Pirelli Winter Carving


here's a link to all things winter on our site

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Old 09-23-2010, 08:02 PM   #995
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I need a winter tire for driving to ski areas near Seattle that can also serve as a daily driver for my ~30 mile commute during the ski season. I don't care about flashy wheels, but want good snow performance at a fair price. I'm willing to track down used Subaru wheels unless there are comparable prices on properly-sized steel/alloy wheels. -1 sizing is fine (16") as long as the OD is maintained, clearance is maintained, and offset is within allowable tolerance.
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Old 09-23-2010, 08:27 PM   #996
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The 2010 German ADAC test results of performance winters (225-45/17 H) are now online:

http://www.adac.de/infotestrat/tests...cePageId=31821

Many of the tires tested are available in north America.
Damn. I keep hoping the Pirellis will rank up but they're always near the bottom. User reviews that I've seen are all highly positive though. Oh well, I guess it's the dunlops for me!
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Old 09-23-2010, 10:14 PM   #997
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Damn. I keep hoping the Pirellis will rank up but they're always near the bottom. User reviews that I've seen are all highly positive though....
^ Yeah, I really don't get it - it doesn't seem that the Sottozeros are ever that strong, or that if they got better, the competition, in-turn, got even better.

I mean, look at tests of studded tires from the NAF and Auto Review. The Pirelli WinterCarving/Carving EDGE are also never top-runners, but at least when the data's broken down at the quantitative (or even semi-quantitative "points awarded") level, that they're actually quite competitive: just perhaps not quite in the same way that the particular test may have weighed the data.

But the Sottozeros seem to not live up to those expectations. Heck, for the Pirelli name, I'd even expect some trade-offs in wintry-precip. performance in-return for clear-road dominance, but that doesn't materialize.

I don't get it.


what I have found over the years is that the Pirelli Performance winter offerings have always emphasized their dry and wet performance which has a detrimental effect on the snow and ice performance

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Old 09-23-2010, 10:49 PM   #998
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Doh! By the way, Luke....

Guess what showed up at my doorsteps, today?

Yep, my first set of studded tires, ever.

Damn, that was fast. I placed the order about 10 minutes after confirming fitment with you on Tuesday - and it was here when Anna and I got home from lunch this afternoon. It beat the projected delivery time by a day!

Guess what Anna said when she saw the tires?

"Are these the special tires that will chip into the ice?" It's my one parenting WIN, this year!

Cool ... and funny

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Old 09-24-2010, 09:41 AM   #999
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It is my first winter here, I have heard that the winters are very comparable to Edmonton, AB where I lived for 10 years. Basically the roads are super icy and temps hit around -40. I want something that will keep me firmly planted while dd'ing 50 km's to and from work every day, yet be able to do a little rallying when an appropriate time presents its self.

Thanks!!
I live in Bismarck, North Dakota, so we have similar winter weather (about 100" of snow in bad years (like the last two) and temps dropping to -30 F at some point during the winter. We have snow from late October/early Nov. through early April. Consensus of the drivers I talked to around here: Bridgestone Blizzaks.

I have a set ordered.

WS60's or the new WS70's?

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Old 09-24-2010, 11:40 AM   #1000
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Looking for performance winter tires and considering the Pirelli Sottozero and Sottozero Serie II. I will probably switch to the winter tires in early December and use them through March. It looks like the main difference between the two versions of the Sottozeros is the brick looking siping on the Serie IIs vs. the more traditional sawtooth siping on the others. Seems like the brick siping wouldn't be as aggressive. Any opinions on which ones would be better suited for me?

In your area I think you would be better suited with the Winter Sport 3D but, if you are sold on the Pirelli most size only have 1 choice. If you do have a choice go with series 2

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