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Old 10-17-2008, 09:56 PM   #126
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Thanks for the great write up . I was thinking maybe some Michelin X-Ice XI2 or the Nokian hakkapelittas R. Beyond quality in snow/ice/slush, I do a lot of driving so tread life is the second priority.

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edit: most of my driving is not on highways, but mainroads and some non-plowed rural backroads

If I were in your shoes I would be running either the X-Ice XI2 with it's great ice and snow traction and dry road stability or the Blizzak WS60 with it's unbeatable snow and ice grip even if it is a bit sqirmy feeling on dry roads. The XI2 will offer better tread life
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Old 10-17-2008, 10:11 PM   #127
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Dear Luke,

I went to discount tire today to see how much the Pirelli sottozero tires were, and they had to go to thetirerack.com to even find them. Then they called someone at the rack and that someone told them that Pirelli wasn’t even making the sottozero this season, and they were not available. The only tire Pirelli is making for the winter is the "winter carving edge" and they are like... 1xx per tire.

So my question is what the heck?

-Ethan

205/55-16 Pirelli Winter 210 SottoZero
TTR part # 055HR6210SZXL
Pirelli Vendor Item#: 1558400
status: instock
cost: $130.00 each
Total: $520.00 (before tax and shipping)

so, what was Discount trying to sell/switch you into ?

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Old 10-18-2008, 12:36 AM   #128
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Luke, just placed an order for 4x 215/55/16 Bridgestone REVO 1 tires for my 02 WRX. These will be mounted on 6 spoke RS wheels in 16x7 size.

Any reason why 215/55/16 size is on closeout sale while other sizes are not?

Lastly, do you think REVO1 is as capable as WS series Blizzak tires in terms of heavy snow traction?

the REVO1 is discontinued ion all sizes .... what is your order number? (want to make sure NASIOC gets the credit)

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Old 10-18-2008, 02:27 PM   #129
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STI is my Daily Driver.. Commute is 35 miles round trip to work 5days a week. and another 10-20 miles for deliveries and meeting with Clients. Expressway and just main roads some back roads.
Car has aftermarket coilover suspension system on it and I plan on raising the ride height for winter to a more suitable setup. Also w/ a 17" wheel .. will my Speedo be off by a few ?

I have 18" Advan RS Goldies now. and I do not want to ruin these expensive rims thru the winter. Id like to go down to a 17in wheel for winter setup. Cheaper smaller tires.
if possible a black colored wheel. I was looking into Blizzteks. heard so much good about them. Whats your insight on a setup.
**I just found these wheels I'd Like to get for the Winter Setup. Can you please tell me if these will work properly on the 08 STI. Clearing the brakes. THANK YOU !
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17x7.00 5x100/114.3 Offset 40
If so what Tire Size to run on it

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number 1 the info I highlighted in green is incorrect for your car and will not fit as far as what would work well in your area go with this setup

Blizzak LM25's and black Enkei RPF1


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Old 10-18-2008, 04:23 PM   #130
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Roads here generally aren't too bad, but can be on occasion. I have to be able to get to work no matter what the road conditions, and occasionally go to the mountain to snowboard, like once a month or so. Unfortunately, I now have just FWD. I had Dunlop Wintersport M2s on the RS, and had 1 spin+crash in a 5 year span when going around a bend, in snow/ice. The weather here is erratic, varying from single digits to 40's. Don't care too much about flat out performance, because the car's staying bone stock, and is a dog anyway. I totalled the RS in July, and would like to keep it at 1 car/year. I also wanted to know how necessary the TPMS is, or if I decided to buy them, what needed to be done to match them to my car. Also, I need something I know fits for sure. I don't have time to test fit and have tire rub, etc.

OK, Dunlop Wintersport 3D or Michelin Xi2s?

given what you have said the best choice would be the Michelin X-Ice XI2 on a set of steelies. You can get into those for just under $700 plus shipping. The TPMS on your car uses 315Mhz sensors from TRW which go for $76.00 each if you want to add them. If you choose not to add the sensors your warning light will remain on at all times.

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Old 10-19-2008, 02:07 PM   #131
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Majority of driving done on secondary streets, which tend to get plowed last. New England weather calls for nasty winters. Would like to have the performance handling of the wrx, but do not want to sacrifice much needed traction in snow/ice. Don't need the top of the line tires, however nothing that will wear out to quick.

I would run Blizzak WS60's in your area because what I recall most from when I have been to the area in winter is the iced up intersections after the snow fall.

secondary, poorly maintained roads + icey intersections = WS60

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Old 10-20-2008, 12:16 PM   #132
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Casper, Wy
Tires only (205/55/16)

Will be driving everywhere on these this winter. going to jackson hole (300~ miles), resorts in colorado (300~ miles), so everything will be about the same distance. here in wyo wind is king as is drifts and black ice. pretty much everytrip will require passage over at least one big pass such as towgadee by dubois and rabbit ears by steamboat. i have been looking at the blizzak ws-60 and firestone winterforce.


ice, difts and mountain passes all call for some serious winter grip which means the Blizzak WS60

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Old 10-20-2008, 02:15 PM   #133
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Luke,
Can you suggest a good A/S, I am replacing my daily driving tires before this winter. I normally drive 30 miles of unplowed back roads and 70 miles highway a day. Key thing is I want A/S because these tires and wheels get used year round. Thanks T.J.

All Season tires which are pretty good in the snow .... BF Goodrich Traction T/A's are pretty good in the winter stuff. I know several Rally Xers who use them

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Old 10-21-2008, 12:45 AM   #134
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I drive 45 miles each way to work right now so I'm afraid of burning through a set of "Performance Winter" tires. Do they last comparatively as long as all season tires? I do frequent the mountains in northern PA and Vermont so I'd like something that can handle the snow and ice of the north east but still provide me with as much grip when it's just dry and wet (the majority of the winter here in south eastern PA). Thanks!!!

just rolling down the highway in cold temps on performance winter tires causes very little wear. The wear happens when the tire is stressed in cornering accellerating and braking and when you drive them in warmer temps. You can easily put 10 - 15 thousand miles on them or even more if you are on the highway most of the time. The Pirelli SottoZero wears very well

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Old 10-21-2008, 03:49 AM   #135
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It doesn't snow much in the city but I'll be going up to the mountains a lot. In particular I'll be taking the highway to Whistler a lot. I use my snow tires 5 months each year (you never know when it'll snow in Whistler village) so tread wear is somewhat important.

Thanks!!!

see post #134 ... yes I am getting tired of typing

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Old 10-21-2008, 06:32 PM   #136
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tires only or winter package: Tires only (205/55/16 - Running WRX brakes)

Some snow covered roads (highways during the night / early morning), mostly well maintained city roads that can turn icy. Some very occasional forays into the country, but no mountain climbing.

I've got a lead on some 1 season old Michelin X-Ice's (not the 2's)... Good grab for the city?

Thanks in advance!

very good grab proving they have atleast 8/32" tread depth

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Old 10-21-2008, 06:46 PM   #137
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tires only or winter package: tires only (225/45R/17 - OEM rims)

Last year in my all season tires i was run off the road into a ditch by a huge truck that was coming down the middle of the road. It forced me over so that both passenger tires bit into the unpacked 6"snow and proceeded to pull me straight into the ditch due to no traction. I have since decided to get winter tires specific to snow/ice.

I live 6 miles from town and many times that is not plowed for a long time after a storm. Snow fall depths - 4-10" for up to 2-3 days at a time, then melting.

Dont need studs, just something that will grip in the snow/slush/ice.

BTW, best thread !!

I would not go through a winter in those conditions without a set of Blizzak WS60's

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Old 10-21-2008, 10:30 PM   #138
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Question: is it okay for front tires to have different tread pattern compared to the rear tires?
Front: Blizzak WS50
Rear: REVO 1

Thank you.

not really the best idea especially in an all wheel drive car but you are not going to die in a firey crash doing that either

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Old 10-21-2008, 11:05 PM   #139
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Luke,

I’m looking to put a set of Blizzak WS60’s on a set of 16" 2002 WRX “take off” rims.
The size will be 195/60/16
This will be used on a 2008/2009 WRX 5-Door

What is the best price for the Tire Pressure Sensors to work with the 08/09 WRX?
I’m debating getting them or not.

Thanks,
Shawn S

Subaru uses two different sensors

manufacturer part number 28203 is $43.00 (rubber valve model)

manufacturer part number 20081 is $45.00 (metal valve model)

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Old 10-22-2008, 09:42 AM   #140
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Any benefit going to 185/65/15 over 195/65/15?

narrower tires work better in deep snow but, with that said 185 - 195 isn't that much of a difference so, there would be little noticable benefit

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Old 10-22-2008, 01:13 PM   #141
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More snow to pack in the wheel wells.

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Old 10-22-2008, 06:59 PM   #142
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Hey Luke, I sent you an email regarding a bunch of sets of tires I need! Here's the gist of what I need if you'd rather respond here:

2001 Ford F-250 SuperDuty: Michelin LTX A/T 2 [265/75-16 E load rated]

1994 Subaru SVX: Dunlop SP Winter Sport M3 [225/60-16]

2003 Saab 9-3 Arc: Dunlop SP Winter Sport M3 [215/55-16] mounted on Sport Edition F5 Silver Painted [16X7.5]

I live in Reno, so I'd like to place the order and pick them up at the Patrick warehouse... what's the best way to do this while getting the "preferred" NASIOC pricing? I used to just call the number, place the order and go pick 'em up... but I'm hoping that ordering through you with such a big order there's some discount you can apply to the purchase.

Thanks!


give me a call to place your order so that NASIOC gets the credit

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Old 10-22-2008, 08:28 PM   #143
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I'm in the same situation as Woki Toki. I head up to tahoe about 15-20 times a season but theres no snow in the bay area =(.

I really hate to risk sliding around during a blizzard though.



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Location:San Francisco, CA
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I read all the previous posts and I seem to have the same situation as the one from bakersfield. I go up to Tahoe about 10-15 times a season but I drive from San Francisco which is around 130 one way before getting to the snow. I was also planning to drive around the streets with these on for the rest of the winter season but I don't want to sacrifice traction in snow and ice.

So the ones that I think might suit me are the Dunlop 3D's or the Sottozeros. I'm leaning towards the 3D's because they're more affordable. What do you think?

I also saw the Firestone winterforce's. What's your take on that? They are so cheap but the ratings look so high.
While the Dunlop is less expensive to purchase it will wear faster than the Pirelli when not in the white stuff so, the Pirellis are more attractive for the long term usage. The tire life of the pirelli woud be 20% - 30% better when used in conditions like you mention. The winterforces sacrifice too much normal drving performance to be a real player in your situation

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Old 10-22-2008, 08:29 PM   #144
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will be needing either 195/65/15 or 205/60/15 snow tires on OE 15x6" +55 wheels. (downsizing -2 from 205/50/17 OE tires)

We gets some snow from Nov - March and there are definitely some black ice where I travel. Also, we have a lot of ice in town. Had a few blizzard conditions and drifting snow last winter (worst winter in terms of snow last year).

What tire(s) would you recommend? Travel is mainly on semi-plowed freeway.


Blizzak WS60 ... I run them on my own car and went through what the news said was the worst winter storm you guys had last year with no issues other than avoid those nut jobs they put into the snow plows up there .. .really do they purposely try to run you off the road or do they think everything on the road should be plowed including the cars

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Old 10-22-2008, 10:09 PM   #145
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Trying to plan for next year.

2007 impreza 2.5i
location: plymouth MA
tires only, in stock 205/55-16

Plymouth is 40mi. south of boston, and i live within a half mile of the ocean. Most of my driving is done ON the coast. This means slush, rain, dry roads, and temps ranging from -10*F to 55*F. Also, slush, ice, freezing rain, slush, black ice, deep wet snow, and slush. I also take many trips a year up to the white mountains in new hampshire, so i do occasionally encounter blizzard conditions (though nothing i've not conquered even on allseasons). I currently run ws-60's in minneapolis, but they are way too soft for use back home. I will be selling them when i leave.

It seems to me that nokians are designed for this stuff, but if there is something out there that won't lighten my wallet quite so much, i'd be happy.

Look at the Dunlop Winter Sport 3D's and the Blizzak LM25's

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Old 10-23-2008, 01:24 PM   #146
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yes it does clear those brakes as do all of the wheel options listed .... and take a look at the Blizzak LM25 or the Pirelli SottoZero tires for your area
how bout chicago rim and tire package for 08 sti for a realy good deal
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Old 10-23-2008, 07:27 PM   #147
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Year:2006
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Tires only: Tires only 225/45-17

I was wondering about the Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW3. I have used the Blizzaks and Dunlops and liked them both but want to try something different. Just curious about your thoughts Luke.

Thanks also for helping my Mom pick the Blizzaks, just picked them up from the new warehouse east of Sparks and they are getting mounted as I type.

Basically, I am not a fan, while it is a decent tire, and better than some, it's not nearly as effective in the snow and ice as the Blizzak and Dunlop offerings.
Thanks Luke, I was also looking at the WS-60's so I may go with those as I have heard great things about those. I have tried the LM-25's but would like to see how an even more aggressive version would fair dealing with the Sierras!

the Blizzak WS60 offers the most ice and snow traction. I have yet to meet or talk with anybody who has driven them through any type of winter weather who doesn't absolutely love them or would be willing to go through a winter without them

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Old 10-24-2008, 01:23 AM   #148
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I'm in the same situation as Woki Toki. I head up to tahoe about 15-20 times a season but theres no snow in the bay area =(.

I really hate to risk sliding around during a blizzard though.

While the Dunlop is less expensive to purchase it will wear faster than the Pirelli when not in the white stuff so, the Pirellis are more attractive for the long term usage. The tire life of the pirelli woud be 20% - 30% better when used in conditions like you mention. The winterforces sacrifice too much normal drving performance to be a real player in your situation
I dont know too much about car tires (yet) . I noticed there are a few different pirelli sotozeros which one do you think is most appropriate for me? which one of these will fit my tires? I have stock sti tires right now nad i culdnt find this size in the pirellis? Do you think the michellin X-ice is better? I dunno if this is a bad idea, but i'm thinking of jsut using my 17" gold bbs wheels as my winter tires and buying a summer tire/wheel package. but yea.. if you think i would be better off with something else for winter wheels please let me know. I'm also curious what you would suggest for a good/nice summer wheel/tire package too. I notice some people like to go to 18" wheels. what is the purpose for this?

Also The tire rack website suggested the pirelli nero zero ms . how is this tire different from the sotozeros? any thoughts on this
suggestion?

Thanks Luke
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Old 10-24-2008, 01:24 PM   #149
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Thanks for the help Luke!

I placed my order this morning for the Blizzaks online and added you as the sales person that helped me.

cool ... order number?

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Old 10-24-2008, 05:45 PM   #150
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i was thinking the blizzaks ws-60 would be the right tires, but i was wanted your input for the location with those tires. I do alot of driving on the highway commuting to work and what not, and need something that would handle well in wet or icey conditions rather that actual snow.

the Blizzak WS60 is fantastic on the ice and with the upgrade to interlocking sipes they are not nearly as bad on the highway as previous generations. Run a set of those and a Sport Edition wheel like the D5 in 15" and your out for well under $800
how do those compare with the SP Winter Sport 3D's

the WS60 will offer less performance in the dry than the 3D's but much, much more ice and snow ability

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