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Old 12-15-2010, 04:24 PM   #1576
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Due to being between jobs and the lack of any snow in Denver right now (we had about 4' by this time last year) I am late in the game in getting snow tires and finding the selection to be lacking. I am torn on what to do for my setup. My choices are:

-Just swap tires on my stock 17's and back in the summer.
-Put the snows on my 17's and upgrade to 18" summer in the future.
-Just buy a 16" wheel/tire package for the winter
-Buy a 17" wheel/tire package for the winter to not sacrifice dry road performance with skinny tires.

Anyway, I stupidly sold my 225/45-17's with my bmw without researching tire size on the new WRX. Those were Pilot Alpin PA3's and i LOVED them. I plowed through 4-5in of snow in a RWD bmw without a problem last season and I was pleased with the road handling. What would be a good performance winter tire for me and my new '11 wrx? The pilots are quite pricey at nearly 200/ea.

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Tire Rack recommends 235/45 as those are my stock, however, the 225 selection is much better. Are these a viable alternate for the stock wheels?

If I decide to go with a wheel/tire package, how will it affect my TMPS? Personally, I don’t care if I don’t have TMPS for the winter season so can I just swap these in without special sensors without a problem?

I prefer the package simply because the weather is crazy here and I would like to be able to swap on my summer tires during the warmer weeks of spring while having the ability to quickly swap back in the winter setup during the snow storms we typically can get into may and june…
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Old 12-15-2010, 04:35 PM   #1577
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I'm finding that out.. good thing im getting rid of this car and going to an STi with brand new WS70s
I have cheaper solution:
Keep BMW, buy winter tires for Forester.
Buy better tires for your BMW too.

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Old 12-15-2010, 04:38 PM   #1578
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I have cheaper solution:
Keep BMW, buy winter tires for Forester.
Buy better tires for your BMW too.

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I've missed subaru ever since I got my BMW. Dont worry, I got a great buy on the STi
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Old 12-15-2010, 04:55 PM   #1579
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There are very likely summer tires that handle cold better than others.
I would point to the stock Dunlop Sport SP01 that come on the WRX now. I was out in them below freezing and really didn't notice that dramatic reduction in traction. I wouldn't attempt to drive them in the snow or even wet at those temps, but dry is fine.

Also, if these particular tires could be damaged by just storing them cold, that's very very bad news for Subaru. These cars are sitting in dealer lots all across the northeast for the entire winter. Pittsburgh just spent the majority of the week below 20 degrees and there are many areas that are worse off in to the single digits and sub zero temps.

They have to be tolerant of being stored a prolonged periods below freezing, otherwise Subaru would be opening themselves up for quite a bit of liability of selling a damaged product as new.

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Old 12-15-2010, 07:58 PM   #1580
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Good point
OE summer tires may have wider temperature requirement than any other summer tire.

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Old 12-15-2010, 08:57 PM   #1581
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^ Agreed - I think that OE pretty much requires that a tire be somewhat fool-proof.

Not to say that its restricted capabilities cannot be over-run rather easily: i.e. putting them in snow; but rather, just that they have a bit more leeway, as it's all too possible for the less knowledgeable or careful of owner to push (and push over) the envelope.


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You guys are both missing an important part of the discussion. Well, missing might not be the correct term but, the rubber compound used for different summer tires will react differently to colder temps.

here's what Yokohama says....

Michelin literature says nothing about cold temps.

I have seen both race and summer performance tires damaged by cold temperatures from several different manufacturers.
...to which......

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Oh I think LGT+WRX did notice it.

There are very likely summer tires that handle cold better than others.

I and others suspect that the more extreme summer tires (like Kumho XS - dry only, Advan Neova and others) is the less likely it is to handle cold well up to the point when manufacturer puts a notice out that tire not only should not be used near or below freezing but stored at temperature no lower than x (-10 C/14F for Neova).
^ Exactly - not "missing," which is basically unfortunately the only word that can be used, so I understand what you mean, Luke - but rather, that some of us are trying to find out where, exactly, that boundary lies.

For those of us who buy summer tires and then a set of all-seasons or "Performance Winters," and then perhaps also a set of "deep-winter" "Studless Ice & Snows" or even more extremely winterized tire, I think there exists a subset like myself, who is not only concerned with the fun factor, but also is truly concerned with safety.

We know that when it gets cold, we need to make allowances for tires that otherwise are run in "fairer" weather. Similarly, we know that when it's warm, we need to make the same allowances - if in reverse, so to say - for tires that are aimed at "wintry" performance.

We all know that there's not yet a single magical tire, that'll do it all, and for those of us concerned with absolute safety, that concern is magnified during the transition seasons - especially in true "four seasons" areas where, during those months/weeks, the weather really can swing wildly from day-to-day.

So we're left with the question of what's actually do-able, and where the benefits really come into play. With what we've seen of the data from the Russians and Car & Driver, we're left with observations that clearly overturn the "old-think" of the blind "45-degrees F. and switch" routine. Instead, we now realize that we need to look more closely at what tire, exactly, we have on our vehicles, in order to determine where actual safety, per quantified, hard-numbers data, say can be found.

So it again goes back to our wishes, which I tried to summarize in post 1556:

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OK, no, in all seriousness:

Again, I'll go back to what I said on LGT.com: that very little of the testing/reviews currently available truly helps the consumer in making the hardest choices of the winter-tire decision - specifically, which genre/sub-genre to buy.

What we need is to see more quantitative data regarding temperatures and varied road-surfaces, as compared not between the same genre/sub-genre of tire, but across the different strata, so that consumers can get a better understanding of the simple "category" of tire they should buy.

Currently, we have to make a two-step or even three-step jump to cross-correlate/validate data: and that's not only just too much, for some to reason through, but it also adds to the potential for hidden confounding factors to make a bigger play: at best by skewing the data, and at-worst maybe making the recommendations that any one of us may give, actually not valid.

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Now this is interesting to me, and new. It is be nice see that Tirerack does have in the tyres description that lower than -10C, 14F storage can harm the rubber when applicable, in addition to the boiler plate about 3 season tyres and winter isn't one of them. I looked before posting.

I have room to store tyres in my unheated detached garage, but not in the house. I can lug them down into the cellar, but that is a lot of work if not needed (Stairs and only room to stoop). It is vary rare that it gets down into the teens here and I can't remember a 14F temp at my house.

Interestingly enough last week I got a promo e-mail from Tirerack for the RE070 and some wiper blades. The 070 doesn't seem to mind cold too much, but are down right dangerous on the white stuff, or worse on the black ice. I've been caught out twice in the last 7 years. New wiper blades should be here shortly.
I definitely agree -

While I would definitely sequester true R-compound tires and the like (and tires such as the Hoosier A6 have specific "Freeze Warning" recommendations that also cover proper storage), I'm left wondering what, if anything, I might be doing wrong with either a set of "max performance" or "extreme performance" summers: tires that bridge the gap between a true "competition" tire and an aggressively fun "street tire."

This is information which, I think, we would all like to know - and which may be particularly important to those who do participate in motorsports with such tires.


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d3v0 - For Erie, I'd go as aggressively winter as you can stomach (in terms of highway tracking/stability, input/response precision, treadwear/renewal cost, and potentially NVH).

Erie can get some nasty stuff. My wife's family has got relatives there, and I remember making trips in the winter (none after Anna's birth, but before, oh yeah....).

If I were in your shoes, I'd be tempted to go one of two ways:

Get an affordable "studdable winter," and run it without studs (you'll have to be as deaf and as crazy as me, to not mind the highway noise of studs...or maybe you can Dynamat the heck out of her Forester [I'm tempted to do this to the wifey's, but we've only got another year or so left on the lease] or trade it in for a Lexus? ). The harder compound - versus the "Studless Ice & Snows," should help the tire last longer as well as perhaps offer at least somewhat comparable highway characteristics, but the lower replacement cost should mean that you can refresh to a new set sooner (remembering that some 1/2 to 2/3 of fresh-powder-snow traction is related to tread, and that tread-depth is a big part of that, too), which will be important, given the mileage you're looking to put on with your trips.

Or get a V-rated "Performance Winter." Although there's no hard data to show, it nevertheless stands to-logic that a V-rated "Peformance Winter" should be the closest thing, in terms of tread-wear, to an "all-season," and certainly, the best of this breed behaves much the same as a very good "all-season" will, in the clear, at highway speeds. The Nokian WRG2, as the sole worthy "All-Weather" offering so far on the North American market, also makes a nice case for itself, here, but it's pricey - and with tread-wear being one of your factors, that dollar-cost could make best-performance required refresh of the tire a rather hard process on the bank account.....

In my view, the same goes for the "Studless Ice & Snows." Although given Erie's often unpredictably nasty winter conditions, these tires truly are, IMveryHO, what would suit you best during such encounters, they are going to wear (as well as provide less reassuring clear-highway characteristics, but selecting a highway-favorable example like the ContiEWC or even the Michelin Xi2 can take at least the worst sting out of that bit of compromise), and treadwear never does any favors for winter traction.

I don't envy you, the call that you have to make.
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We had considered the Xi2. We had also considered just taking any trips to Erie when any sort of snow was expected in the STi which has Blizzak WS70s. The thing is too, we go to erie often enough that a contingency plan should be made, but here in pittsburgh it can be a hell morning and by noon the roads are all 100% dry.
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Old 12-16-2010, 08:15 AM   #1583
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Are you sure that WS70s are good match for STi?
With such powerful car they will be eaten alive on dry, I think.

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Old 12-16-2010, 09:01 AM   #1584
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If anyone is still in the search for winter tires, I'm not advertising nor do I really know too much about the competitor's tires... but I recently purchased four brand new Dunlop Winter Sport 3D's for my 2010 WRX. Drove to Baltimore to Indianapolis to Kentucky and back with snow throughout the states... In the mountains of PA people were sliding out and these tires held their own and were amazing! Had no issues what so ever.
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If anyone is still in the search for winter tires, I'm not advertising nor do I really know too much about the competitor's tires... but I recently purchased four brand new Dunlop Winter Sport 3D's for my 2010 WRX. Drove to Baltimore to Indianapolis to Kentucky and back with snow throughout the states... In the mountains of PA people were sliding out and these tires held their own and were amazing! Had no issues what so ever.
Where in Baltimore do you live? Just curious.

I already bought tires (Dunlop Winter Sport 3D's also).
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Old 12-16-2010, 09:17 AM   #1586
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Seems like everybody in the MAIC picked up WS3Ds...including me. Supposed to get some snowfall today, haven't had the chance to mount the tires though.
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Seems like everybody in the MAIC picked up WS3Ds...including me. Supposed to get some snowfall today, haven't had the chance to mount the tires though.
Yes quite a bit of us picked them up or had them already. They have treated Josh (irish44j) very good he has said. Think he's had them 2 seasons already.
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Old 12-16-2010, 10:02 AM   #1590
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Bump, since Luke has answered people posting below me...

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year: 2006
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looking for a performance winter tire

Thanks!

sorry I missed you .... what type of driving ?

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Old 12-16-2010, 10:19 AM   #1591
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Hey, I have someone offering me 4 17" wheels from an '05 outback. Are these wheels compatible with the '11 WRX? Sorry, new to Subarus, it's obviously the same 5x100 but as long as everything else is kosher I will pick them up.

Also on that note, my wrx has TPMS and I could care less if I have it for the winter. Are there going to be any problems with just swapping out to 17" wheels from the outback besides a tire pressure light being on all the time? Is there anything I would need to deactivate?

not sure if the wheels will fit as I do not have access to the technical drawings of the wheels.

with the TPMS the light will stay if it does not get a signal from the sensors


EDIT: From what I could find, they are 17x7 + 48mm offset

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sorry I missed you .... what type of driving ?
No problem. I have two different commutes. Each way...

2 days per week: .5 miles in neighborhood that has relatively low priority for plowing, 5 miles on 4-lane roads, 20 miles on interstate. Speed on interstate is 60-80mph.

3 days per week: .5 miles in neighborhood that has relatively low priority for plowing, 20 miles on a mixture of 4-lane roads and 2-lane roads. The 2-lane road segments all have pretty good traffic flow, but are a bit hilly/curvy. Speed wise this is 35-50mph.


I think that the Michelin X-Ice XI2 would work well for you. They offer very good ice and snow traction along with very little tread squirm. They are also 1 of the better wearing winter tires. If you want something for a little more spirited driving the Dunlop Winter Sport 3d would be a good choice. If you go with the Dunlop you will be giving up a significant amount of ice traction. I would imagine those curvy hills tend so see a good deal of black ice

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Old 12-16-2010, 02:18 PM   #1593
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Looking for options to keep the love of my life on the road. Looking for bang for my buck...no more than $200/tire

We get a good snow here, typically a few feet at least...very icy roads as well but no studs...highway is used to get almost everywhere because we are a ways away from anywhere and roads close a lot here

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I really like the X-Ice XI2 as it offers very good ice and snow traction. They are very stable feeling at highway speeds and wear very well.

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bump: 17" 48mm offset Outback wheels. Will they fit my '11 wrx?
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I drive the car daily to and from work with occasional trips to the mountains. We don't see too much snow in Charlotte, but some ice, especially around the lakes. Pretty deep snow in the mountains.


you are the perfect candidate for a performance winter tire like the Dunlop Winter Sport 3D or the Pirelli Sotto Zero. Very solid performerrs in the dry and wet and will give you confidence when you get into the white stuff

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We had considered the Xi2. We had also considered just taking any trips to Erie when any sort of snow was expected in the STi which has Blizzak WS70s. The thing is too, we go to erie often enough that a contingency plan should be made, but here in pittsburgh it can be a hell morning and by noon the roads are all 100% dry.
I agree completely on the contingency plan.

With us, the wifey's FXT (an SH, too, an '09, into which fell a new longblock courtesy of a slip through the "Stop Sale": not a minute's worth of trouble, since) is the contingency.

If things truly got bad enough, I'd cross-mount my studded Pirellis on her FXT, and we should be able to self-plow our way out of most stuff.

I know completely what you mean, in terms of the type of "blizzard one minute/clear-roads next" thing that you see. We live in Metro-Cleveland, in the near-eastern suburbs, of which some (including ours) do see decently timely snow-removal and road-surface treatments. My typical recommendations to those who live in my area tend to be divided between "Studless Ice & Snows" and "Performance Winters," based largely in-part on where *exactly* they live, locally (i.e. primary versus secondary snow-belt), and what kinds of road-clearing are they like to see, given their commute times-of-day, etc.

Indeed, this particular consideration doesn't make it any easier for you, and it's too bad you can't cross-mount the WS70s from your vehicle to your wife's.


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If anyone is still in the search for winter tires, I'm not advertising nor do I really know too much about the competitor's tires... but I recently purchased four brand new Dunlop Winter Sport 3D's for my 2010 WRX. Drove to Baltimore to Indianapolis to Kentucky and back with snow throughout the states... In the mountains of PA people were sliding out and these tires held their own and were amazing! Had no issues what so ever.
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Seems like everybody in the MAIC picked up WS3Ds...including me. Supposed to get some snowfall today, haven't had the chance to mount the tires though.
Yes quite a bit of us picked them up or had them already. They have treated Josh (irish44j) very good he has said. Think he's had them 2 seasons already.
Yep.

V- or H-rated, in typical Subaru sizing, they are very, very popular in our crowd.

If you have this year's formulation (DOT stamped year of birth in 2010), be extra careful on ice until you've become accustomed to exactly what the tire's capabilities are, there. For some reason, this year, they've tested lower (with respect to their usual competitors) in terms of ice traction: perhaps this year's reformulation was a bit off in this respect, or maybe their competitors' reformulations have just gotten so much better? Either way, it should demand some extra caution.

Also, keep an eye on wear. As you approach the half-way point (winter wear bar/"snow-platform"/"winter platform"), at 6/32", you'll start to see significantly decreased fresh-powder capabilities as well as slush-cutting capabilities.

It's a really, really good tire - and although it hasn't really been king of its sub-category for a while, its repeated and continued top-tier finishes in the various European testing testifies to their solid engineering.


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No problem. I have two different commutes. Each way...

2 days per week: .5 miles in neighborhood that has relatively low priority for plowing, 5 miles on 4-lane roads, 20 miles on interstate. Speed on interstate is 60-80mph.

3 days per week: .5 miles in neighborhood that has relatively low priority for plowing, 20 miles on a mixture of 4-lane roads and 2-lane roads. The 2-lane road segments all have pretty good traffic flow, but are a bit hilly/curvy. Speed wise this is 35-50mph.


I think that the Michelin X-Ice XI2 would work well for you. They offer very good ice and snow traction along with very little tread squirm. They are also 1 of the better wearing winter tires. If you want something for a little more spirited driving the Dunlop Winter Sport 3d would be a good choice. If you go with the Dunlop you will be giving up a significant amount of ice traction. I would imagine those curvy hills tend so see a good deal of black ice
^ Luke's thinking precisely matches mine.

And as an Xi2/3D family, I will reinforce his assessment regarding a *significant* loss of ice traction, if you favor the 3Ds versus the Xi2s.

But alas, they are indeed two very different tires, built for two very different purposes. Choose the one that fits YOU best, sunrise.


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Looking for options to keep the love of my life on the road. Looking for bang for my buck...no more than $200/tire

We get a good snow here, typically a few feet at least...very icy roads as well but no studs...highway is used to get almost everywhere because we are a ways away from anywhere and roads close a lot here

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$200 per tire is actually quite a nice budget.

It's not Nokian Hakka R nice (not meant to be read as that they are "the best," rather, to say that the Hakka R will likely still be priced out of your reach), but still, that'll land you virtually any of the top-tier "Studless Ice & Snows" otherwise, and will more than suit your needs.

Bang-for-the-buck, though, that's going to be a hard one to debate...as the General Altimax Arctic (and the similar Hankook Winter iPike W409 as well as the perhaps slightly more advantageous, but also definitely more expensive Gislaved Nordfrost5) is going to contend for your money, too.
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Are you sure that WS70s are good match for STi?
With such powerful car they will be eaten alive on dry, I think.

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WS60s, sorry. I try to keep the beast in check but what can I do?
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Question Continental ExtremeWinterContact vs Pirelli 240 Sottozero II - southern skier

I started my questions in a separate thread, but figured I would join the frey in this thread, as I have narrowed down my options ;-)

I drive a 2006 WRX Wagon (Stg 3). My summer tires are Dunlop Sport SP 01--yes, I have heard the mixed stories on these, but I purchased for them $100 from a 2008 WRX owner who upgraded to 18 wheels... The tires are 225/45R17--based on GPS, radar units, etc., my speedo is actually more accurate with these slightly larger tires (vs stock 215/45R17).


[I noticed some who responded to my other thread are here as well, so you can skip to the last paragraph to avoid re-reading most of the same information...]

I drive to the NC mountains for ski patrol for about 3-4 months of the year (Dec - Mar). While a little unusual for us, last week there was 24" of snow and this week there has been another 7"-10". The mountain road to the ski area has many switch-backs and with decently pitched inclines. When it snows 5"+, police require either AWD/4WD or chains and will post an officer at the bottom of the hill to enforce (better than pulling all the out-of-towners out of the ditch, etc.). Ok - that is my weekend driving.

The 2 hr drive to the mountains is by interstate (70 mph posted limit) and highway (55 - 65 mph posted limit) -- I will typically drive 80 mph on the interstate with the occassional bump above that when passing someone (especially when I leave CLT at 5:30am...).

Daily driving: I live near Charlotte, NC and drive 50-miles round trip to work. From Dec to Mar, we have avg low temps in the 30's and highs in the 50's, with the occassional 60F - 70F day thrown in for good measure. We are in the teens tonight with sleet this morning but it was just recently in the 60's for a few days...


As far as wheel size, for my winter tire, I plan to get a thinner tire -- 205/50R17.

Given the 'warmer' weather and amount of driving, I was leaning towards V-rated Performance Winter tires. Originally, I was looking at the Dunlop 3D's but now Pirelli 240 Sottozero II from TireRack given the price for the size I am considering. The Sottozero 240 Series 2 seems to be getting better reviews than the original series 1. The primary concern I have from reading reviews are that the tires may be noisy -- can't imagine they are any worse than my summer tires ;-) Also, there seems to be mixed reviews on how well it will actually perform in the snow & ice -- from looking at the reviews, most indicate that its pretty nimble but there are enough nay-sayers, it makes me wonder... Not sure if its just those in non-AWD vehicles expecting too much out of it, or if there are certain conditions it does not do well.

As I am buying a winter tire to drive in snow / ice on the weekends, the local shop recommends that I go with the Continental ExtremeWinterContact (i.e., if I am buying a winter specific tire for 3 mos out of the year, why compromise?). After one experience on my summer tires in 5"-6" of snow (can you say surprise snow storm the first week of Nov), I can attest personally that sliding backwards / sideways for 40' is not fun. I like the idea of a more dedicated snow / ice tire ;-)

I had my local tire-shop recommend against the 3D's (and many of the other performance winter tires) due to their unidirectional tread; the primary reason is that non-directional tread tires can be rotated left to right, which limits the scalloping / feathering (i.e., when the tread blocks are pushed by acceleration, so that the biting edge of the groove gets rounded down and the non-biting edge stays sharp) that can occur with the softer rubber; according to my local shop, scalloping can be an issue around here when running the softer winter tires on the our 'warm' roads. Anyway, their point is that rotating left-to-right will get more miles out of them.

The reviews and feedback from others indicate that the Continental ExtremeWinterContact is a great winter tire, but at interstate speeds, it will feel squirely on longer drives and will likely wear quickly.

So, what say you, oh, tire gurus ;-) Given the comparable price between the Pirelli 240 Sottozero II and the Continental ExtremeWinterContact for my size tire, what would you recommend?

BTW, if I go with the Pireli's, I would not be opposed to purchasing a set of chains just in case the roads turn really bad (i.e., ice...). Do you think that would be overkill or using good judgement?

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Old 12-17-2010, 11:11 AM   #1599
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Car:Likely a 2011 Legacy GT (currently shopping)
Location:Philly, PA

Uses- daily driver to work, approx 30 mile RT, mixed highway and city.
Drive up to upstate NY or Vermont 6-10 times per winter, ofter chasing powder, mostly high speed highway driving through NYS, but get on secondary roads a lot in VT. (approx 700 mile RT)

Given the preponderance of fairly clear highway driving, I would want to go with a Performance winter (last year on my older LGT I had Conti DWS, but since this comes with summer tires anyway, might as well go a step further)

Thinking of staying on stock rims, which limits choices a bit, but I may want to replace stockers in the summer, so I don't really want to change wheels now unless necessary.

Any thoughts on the Pirelli Sottozero II versus the Pilot Alpin PA3?
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Old 12-18-2010, 08:12 AM   #1600
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For the other car....

year: 2008
make: Nissan
model: Versa SL
location: Ottawa, Ontario - Canada
tires only or winter package: Package

It's a daily driver around town, occasional ride out of town to hockey tournament.

I see the tirerack preferred package has the Pirelli Winter Carving Edge, but have not heard much about that tire. Altimax Artic seems most popular.

Recommendations?


I prefer the Altimax Arctic but, LGT+WRX should be able to shed more light on the Pirelli as he is running on them now ....

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