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Old 06-29-2011, 09:55 PM   #1926
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What I can't make up my mind about is performance winter vs stud less winter.
Suggestions would be very helpful!
I'd suggest performance winter. My LM-60's plowed fresh snow up to the headlights and they're not bad on dry roads. If you were further north I'd consider stud-less. With AWD and LM-60's, ground clearance becomes an issue before the tires do.

edit- I'd also recommend getting steelies or stockers for the winters so you can swap them at your leisure...it's worth the cost.
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Old 06-30-2011, 11:14 AM   #1927
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Good winter performance tires are quite good in wet too, not only dry.
I have Continental TS810 and Dunlop 3D on our cars and I would not call them noisy. Their wet performance is quite good too. Their weak spot is ice.

When you start your drive to the mountains you will be driving in 60-70 F, I think - no much experiance driving in SoCal in winter (or summer). You may loose the magic tread compound before you get to the mountains (well, I am exaggarating a little).
Such high ambient temperature is not healthy for any winter tire but studless winter suffer the most, AFAIK.
It is not coincidence that they are not even H speed rated. They cannot handle the heat.

The only Bridgestone winter tires I would consider will be their WS series. I do not think that their LM series is that good compared to Dunlops 3D, Continental TS or Michelin Primacy Alpin.

If I am not mistaken new winter tire models should be arriving this fall in the USA: TS830 (available in Canada and Europe last year) and Dunlop 4D.
Even if you do not want to buy the newest ones it usually means that older models are getting cheaper.

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with those long drives, i'd buy a set of the nokian wrg2.
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OP 4th point was price.
I have never seen cheap Nokians in North America.
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No abnormal wear on my extremewintercontact tires over the winter or on the trip. The tread still looks nearly new after putting several thousand miles on them this year.

Regarding noise they are quiet. When I got them they were a lot quieter than the AS tires that came on my car and they are WAY quieter than my star specs for summer. Actually if I was going to complain about one attribute of the star specs it would be noise.
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If the new Michelin Alpin PA4 (or A4) makes it to these shores in 2011, it would also be worth your consideration. According to ADAC tests, it wears like iron.

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1. if its really icy or had heavy snow up there they still recommend you to have chains AWD/4x4 with winter tires or not. but i met a guy who lives up there with porsche cayenne turbo and he never had to use chains before.

2. since its a long drive winters are a waste go with a good all season imo w/ chains just incase. you end up driving slow anyways going up the wet, snow road.


4. if you really want winters hankook or kumos good price imo .
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I've got 2 daily driven winters and maybe 6 abusive hot rallycrosses on my LM-60's and they still have half the tread on them. Even used them to run up and down the highway in the heat. When newer they plowed snow up to the headlights.

Now I'm debating on Conti DWS, or Firehawk Oval 500's for my DD.
Thank you guys for your input, it helps me to compare them with a bit more direct experience from Subie owners.

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How often will you go to the mountains, and do you like to chase storms? E.g. do you chase most storms? Or do you prefer to go during sunny skies? Or do you just go on a handful of pre-planned trips each year?

If and only if you will either A) be swapping the winter setup on for each road trip, and then off again afterwards, or B) chasing most storms, I heartily recommend a real "studless ice and snow" tire. Plenty of them will be fine and comfortable during the dry and wet portions of your trips (as long as you don't treat them like summer rubber). You simply will not get their level of snow performance, and the confidence it gives you, from a "performance winter" tire.

Here is my personal experience with a popular "performance winter" tire (Dunlop Winter Sport 3D) vs a popular "studless ice and snow" tire (Continental ExtremeWinterContact).

HOWEVER, if you won't be going up every other weekend, and you want to leave your winter setup on for much of your daily driving, then go with a "performance winter" tire. One big part is "performance winter" tires tend to be very good in the rain, whereas "studless ice and snow" tend to be adequate to mediocre. E.g. my EWC's were adequate in the rain but nowhere near as good as my 3D's, and the EWC's have some of the better wet performance test results in their category. (So do the 3D's in their category, for that matter.)

The other reason is, if you're doing a lot of dry weather driving with only infrequent trips to the mountains in between, you'll get less frustrated with the "performance winter" tire performance. They'll still be nothing like decent summer rubber, but they'll be notably better than a pure snow tire.
The longer trips are usually planned. It's not like I'm storm chasing but we get in the thick of it sometimes.
Yes, I will definitely just be throwing them on for these drives. I have my 18s with summer tires I use to drive around town/commute.

To be honest your review of the Cont EWC almost has me sold, atleast so much as going for more of a winter tire.
Will it wear a bit on the way? Sure I'd imagine so. But that wear cost is negligible to the safety, confidence, and ease of mind in driving in harsher conditions.
I suppose that my concern with wear is that, would it be so bad that after even just a few trips or one season I'd be back buying another set of tires. Or will the rubber just shred itself apart on dry highway roads on the way to the mountain. So far this doesn't seem to be the case.

Just as something I've noticed, even though the LM60s are considered a performance winter tire (according to TireRack), it seems to me that people have had good experiences with them even in snow conditions.
Even the ratings on that site put them on par with the WS70s and the Cont EWC
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Old 06-30-2011, 01:44 PM   #1928
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I'd suggest performance winter. My LM-60's plowed fresh snow up to the headlights and they're not bad on dry roads. If you were further north I'd consider stud-less. With AWD and LM-60's, ground clearance becomes an issue before the tires do.

edit- I'd also recommend getting steelies or stockers for the winters so you can swap them at your leisure...it's worth the cost.
Ok, after your recommendation and reading nothing but good reviews on tirerack I'll go ahead and get the Dunlop winter sports. I'm not going to get steelies because I think they look ugly on WRB, I'm probably going to get them on some sport edition F7s, which are 16x7. A 1/2" wider than steelies but an inch narrower than my stockers, so I think it'll work out. I would get some stockers from earlier year WRXs or RSs but even if I can find a set for $200 I would have to pay mounting and balancing, whereas tirerack does it for free so it ends up being around the same price to just get a new set of alloy wheels.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:13 PM   #1929
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I will be relocating to Denver in August and will be taking a spare set of BBS that I intended to put snow tires on. I've been led to believe that Denver doesn't hold snow for very long but I do anticipate encountering a good bit of snow driving for work and exploring the skiing options in the area

Having never lived in a snowy climate (Atlanta and Tallahassee), can someone recommend a good snow tire for an '05 STi in this application? Also, would wider be better if I could accommodate it? Any other winter prep that I should do? Bear in mind that you're dealing with a total snow/ice rookie.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:37 PM   #1930
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any of the performance winters will be more than enough. hankook icebears are popular in the area. other tires to consider are the bridgestone lm-60 and dunlop wintersport 3d.

also, join www.awdpirates.net, that's the local awd forum and is a good source of information for everything in the area.
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:06 AM   #1931
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So I've been pondering what kind of winter tires to go with for a few weeks now and I can't come to a decision. Here's the situation: I go to school in Lancaster, PA where there is a decent amount of snow/ice during the winter so that's where I will be for most of the winter months. I live in MD and will be there for winter break. It doesn't snow an ungodly amount in MD but the last couple winters have been pretty bad and ice can be a concern. Additionally, during winter break I will be traveling to central NJ to visit my GF a few times. While the trip is almost entirely highway, closer to my house and her house are more rural roads that tend to be more icy and not as well plowed. Another thing is that I am going to have medical school interviews most likely during the winter months so I will need to be able to get to essentially any state reliably, I would prefer to not cancel these obviously very important interviews due to inclement weather. Furthermore, I am entering my senior year and will be going to medical school somewhere in the mid atlantic/northeast afterwards. So while this winter season I will be spending mostly in PA, I don't yet know where the next season will be spent–it could be in NY or in CT, etc.

What I can't make up my mind about is performance winter vs stud less winter. I understand that performance winter offers a dry handling advantage, however I think I would feel more comfortable knowing that I could handle anything winter could throw at me if I had the stud less tires. I have done a lot of research and the consensus around here appears to be that the blizzak WS70s are the best stud less winter while the dunlop sport 3Ds are the best performance winter. I saw a table that compared the characteristics (such as dry handling, cornering, snow handling, etc) between all the tires and noticed that while the blizzaks had far superior snow handling, they had much lower dry handling than the dunlops. On the other hand, the Michelin X-Ices had slightly lower snow handling than the blizzaks but dry handling that approached the dunlops, so I was thinking they might be a good compromise. I also don't like that the blizzaks are composed of two compounds and essentially become all seasons once the winter compound wears off.

I'm willing to drive more conservatively during the winter months to compensate for squishy tires, and honestly I don't drive as much during the winter anyways, this year may be an exception due to the medical school interviews, though.

Suggestions would be very helpful!
I ran 3Ds on my '08 for 4 winters. I found they performed really well in both the snow and as good as you can expect on ice. I believe they are a solid higher performance tire than most. I have not, though, driven them in more than 15cms of snow. They were excellent to that amount however. Awesome on the highway. Hope that helps you a bit.
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Old 07-02-2011, 04:53 PM   #1932
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I'm going to be ordering a set of winter wheels soon with dunlop 3Ds on them, but am unsure of whether I should go with a 7" or 7.5" wide wheel. Any significant difference between the two? My stockers are 8".

Edit/Clarification: Any noticeable difference in winter condition traction? (snow/slush/ice)

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What tire size do you want to buy?

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Old 07-02-2011, 10:05 PM   #1934
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What tire size do you want to buy?

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Well I'm going to go with the tirerack 16" recommended size which is 215-55-16. I was going to get them on the 16x7" sport edition f10s but I like the look of the 7.5" A7s much better and they're only $4 more expensive. I was just wondering if the extra half inch in width would affect snow/slush/ice handling because if it did to any significant degree I would suck it up and get the uglier wheels.
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Well, I do not know but I think that .5" does not make big difference. Just my opinion.

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Old 07-03-2011, 12:03 AM   #1936
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This may have been answered somewhere in the 78 pages of this thread, but I wasn't able to quickly locate the answer and reading through all 78 pages... ugh!

Anyway, I'm going to be getting a 2011 WRX and though I live in San Diego, I take 3+ trips a year up the the local mountains for snowboarding (probably more now that I will have an appropriate car for the job). We can use chains if things get REALLY bad, but I'm wondering if there is a set of tires I can get that I can mount on cheap wheels for driving 200 miles to the mountain and then good in the snow, whatever the conditions may be.

Since the tires would only be used a handful of times a year, I may be better off just going with all seasons and chains if things get crazy... but I'm not sure so I'm seeking opinions.
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Old 07-03-2011, 11:34 AM   #1937
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This may have been answered somewhere in the 78 pages of this thread, but I wasn't able to quickly locate the answer and reading through all 78 pages... ugh!

Anyway, I'm going to be getting a 2011 WRX and though I live in San Diego, I take 3+ trips a year up the the local mountains for snowboarding (probably more now that I will have an appropriate car for the job). We can use chains if things get REALLY bad, but I'm wondering if there is a set of tires I can get that I can mount on cheap wheels for driving 200 miles to the mountain and then good in the snow, whatever the conditions may be.

Since the tires would only be used a handful of times a year, I may be better off just going with all seasons and chains if things get crazy... but I'm not sure so I'm seeking opinions.
What are the temps like before you get to the mountains? Your best option is probably performance winters.
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What are the temps like before you get to the mountains? Your best option is probably performance winters.
Could be anywhere from 70's to 50's on the trip to the mountains.
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If you can afford second set of wheels/tires to be used a hanful times a year go with performance winters. If you can have only one set then pick all seasons and suffer consequences all the time.

It may be cheaper to rent a car for this few times a year than buy dedicated set, especially if you can pool friends too. $ 600-1000 dollars can go a long way.

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Old 07-04-2011, 01:20 AM   #1940
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year: 2011
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tires only or winter package: You tell me!

I'm dumb as a box of rocks and after reading some of the posts in here I'm not sure I match up with other peoples' requests. I have the Sti Limited with the stock 18" BBS aluminums and I don't know if it is a good idea to run in Winter on these things. I want them to stay in good shape.

We don't get a lot of snow here, but we *can* get hit once or twice a season with a good six inches on the roads that the trucks oversalt and plow. They usually skip my block first so sometimes I have to drive through a bit of the thicker stuff. Eventually the snow is cleared pretty well, but usually the roads are just a wet salty gritty mess.

Do I put All Seasons or Winters on? I don't drive for performance necessarily.

If it is recommended that I switch the wheels, should I run 17's, or stick with 18's? *Can* I run 17's? Cost is a bit of a factor, but not a major one.

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year: 2011
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I'm dumb as a box of rocks and after reading some of the posts in here I'm not sure I match up with other peoples' requests. I have the Sti Limited with the stock 18" BBS aluminums and I don't know if it is a good idea to run in Winter on these things. I want them to stay in good shape.

We don't get a lot of snow here, but we *can* get hit once or twice a season with a good six inches on the roads that the trucks oversalt and plow. They usually skip my block first so sometimes I have to drive through a bit of the thicker stuff. Eventually the snow is cleared pretty well, but usually the roads are just a wet salty gritty mess.

Do I put All Seasons or Winters on? I don't drive for performance necessarily.

If it is recommended that I switch the wheels, should I run 17's, or stick with 18's? *Can* I run 17's? Cost is a bit of a factor, but not a major one.
Get a new set of wheels that are 17", if you go to tirerack.com and plug in your model information, click on winter, then click on 17" you can choose a tire and then it will bring you to a page with a whole bunch of 17" alloys that will clear the brembos.

As for the tire, I would go with the Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds. I'm about to order a set of them.

It's more expensive upfront to buy a new set of alloy wheels but you have to keep in mind that you will have to pay to have your tires mounted and balanced twice a year if you only have one set of wheels. That could easily cost you $100-150 for all four, so the wheels would essentially pay for themselves in two years. Not to mention when you eventually have to replace your winter tires the 17" are cheaper than the 18".
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I'm dumb as a box of rocks and after reading some of the posts in here I'm not sure I match up with other peoples' requests. I have the Sti Limited with the stock 18" BBS aluminums and I don't know if it is a good idea to run in Winter on these things. I want them to stay in good shape.

We don't get a lot of snow here, but we *can* get hit once or twice a season with a good six inches on the roads that the trucks oversalt and plow. They usually skip my block first so sometimes I have to drive through a bit of the thicker stuff. Eventually the snow is cleared pretty well, but usually the roads are just a wet salty gritty mess.

Do I put All Seasons or Winters on? I don't drive for performance necessarily.

If it is recommended that I switch the wheels, should I run 17's, or stick with 18's? *Can* I run 17's? Cost is a bit of a factor, but not a major one.
any 05-07 oem sti wheels will fit and are a dime a dozen. i have a set with 225/45/17 hankook ipikes i'm considering selling. they're painted hemi orange but need to be redone.
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Both of these posts are extremely helpful, thank you.

I'm in a TPMS state, so I get that fee, too. Joy.
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I'm in a TPMS state, so I get that fee, too. Joy.
What does it mean "TPMS state"?
Does your state require all your wheel sets to have working TPMS?

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...........As for the tire, I would go with the Dunlop Wintersport 3Ds. I'm about to order a set of them..........
Are they now available at closeout prices?
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Are they now available at closeout prices?
Not that I saw. Are they around this time year? I might wait for closeout prices if they will be soon.
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What does it mean "TPMS state"?
Does your state require all your wheel sets to have working TPMS?

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Yes. In order to pass inspection.
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Yes. In order to pass inspection.
Throw your summer wheels on to get it inspected. Bam! Problem solved. Alternatively, get it inspected in one of the other three seasons when your summer wheels are on anyways.
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Not that I saw. Are they around this time year? I might wait for closeout prices if they will be soon.
May be discounted later this year, when the Wintersport 4d arrives.
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If you can afford second set of wheels/tires to be used a hanful times a year go with performance winters. If you can have only one set then pick all seasons and suffer consequences all the time.

It may be cheaper to rent a car for this few times a year than buy dedicated set, especially if you can pool friends too. $ 600-1000 dollars can go a long way.

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Shouldn't be out of the question, my only concern being storage of the wheels/tires between seasons. How many years can I expect to store them before the rubber starts to give out on me due to age?
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