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Old 10-05-2011, 05:38 PM   #2151
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I'm thinking about getting the WS70s. I read in a review somewhere (can't recall or find the thread) that the blizzaks the reviewer had (cant remember the model) were "squirelley above 70". probably an older model with a lower rating. the WS70s are a T-rating (118 mph).
i have a set in my garage and i can already tell they will be a little squishy. the car wont just randomly swap ends for no reason, but handling will not be as good as a "normal" tire. if you are worried about it get the extremewintercontact or the xice. both are known to handle a bit better.
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Old 10-06-2011, 08:19 AM   #2152
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Hi Luke, I need a set of winter tires. I expect to keep them on from late November to end of March, and would like the tires to last me three seasons before snow traction starts to deteriorate. I take trips up to sugarbush/northern VT every other weekend or so in the winter. I'm willing to sacrifice dry handling for superior snow handling, but at the same time, the roads are perfectly clear down here 24hrs after a snow storm, and I don't want to wear my tires down too quickly, and I do tend to have a rather spirited driving style (though i try to accomodate in the winter for different tires). Cheaper is preferable but not at the expense of not meeting the above specifications. I can't decide weather or not to go with a performance all season (like the 3D or the LM-60) or a studless ice and snow (like the Xice Xi2, Conti WntrCntct, or the WS70)! I'm leaning toward the latter, but still, I don't know which tires to choose. Please advise at your convenience. Also, any deals or promotions you may have going on would be a factor as well.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Old 10-06-2011, 09:52 AM   #2153
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^^^ Actually, anybnodys insight or experience is appreciated as well. Thx
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:58 AM   #2154
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i chose **blizzak ws70**... i figured i would be driving in the snow all winter up here in Maine. In reality i only really "needed" them a few times but i'm sure glad i had them in those cases. When your cruising along in a blizzard while everyone else is creeping you'll be happy!!!

I just try to adjust my driving habits for my winter tires... I pretend that i'm lewis hamilton and i'm looking after tires

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Old 10-06-2011, 10:27 AM   #2155
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Essentially my thoughts as well: even though i'll only really "need" them about 30% of the time, I want them when I do. How many miles have you had the wintercontacts? hows the wear? have you had other dedicated winter tires in the past to compare them to? are the contacts on you OB?
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Old 10-06-2011, 06:40 PM   #2156
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I recommend going on tirerack for the reviews, filter down the subaru reviews for this tire. I usually also filter out the people who drove less than 5000mi on the tire. And pay attention to where the people are located. Dont look at the number ratings or any of their testing.

For the conti's I'm reading a lot of people say their squirmy.

I currently have performance winters (LM-25's) and was the only one who could make it in to work a few times last year, plus they're not frightening on the interstate at speeds over 70mph like true winter tires are.

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Old 10-06-2011, 09:24 PM   #2157
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Hi Luke, I need a set of winter tires. I expect to keep them on from late November to end of March, and would like the tires to last me three seasons before snow traction starts to deteriorate. I take trips up to sugarbush/northern VT every other weekend or so in the winter. I'm willing to sacrifice dry handling for superior snow handling, but at the same time, the roads are perfectly clear down here 24hrs after a snow storm, and I don't want to wear my tires down too quickly, and I do tend to have a rather spirited driving style (though i try to accomodate in the winter for different tires). Cheaper is preferable but not at the expense of not meeting the above specifications. I can't decide weather or not to go with a performance all season (like the 3D or the LM-60) or a studless ice and snow (like the Xice Xi2, Conti WntrCntct, or the WS70)! I'm leaning toward the latter, but still, I don't know which tires to choose. Please advise at your convenience. Also, any deals or promotions you may have going on would be a factor as well.

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^^^ Actually, anybnodys insight or experience is appreciated as well. Thx
xi2's are supposedly the best handling "true" snow. other than that the 3d really does handle like a normal high performance all season, but it gives up a little snow and ice traction.
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Old 10-06-2011, 09:48 PM   #2158
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Found this online.....

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By way of information, if it hasn't been mentioned before the General Altimax Arctic are made in the same General Tire factory in Germany as the Gislaved NordFrost 3s( http://www.gislaved-tires.com/genera...er_nf3_en.html ) which have been discontinued and now carry the Gislaved EuroFrost 3, NordFrost 5 and Soft Frost 2( http://www.gislaved-tires.com/genera...iew_pc_en.html ). The Arctics are the same rubber, same design, just name stamped differently and can be had for 30-50% less cost of the Gislaveds.

There are many reviews of this tire out there, and they are all very good. I think this is a great sleeper winter tire.
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:42 AM   #2159
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Here is an interesting 2011 test of the WS70, Xi2, NokianR, and other "ice & snow tires" from Norway:
http://www.naf.no/Forbrukertester/De...Piggfrie-dekk/

Their translated comments about the WS70:
"Bridgestone can not compete with the very best non-studded tires, but is still a good choice for Nordic winter conditions. The cause is good braking and lateral grip on ice. Snow is the tire's weakest point. It makes many of its competitors significantly better in terms of braking, lateral grip and mobility. On wet asphalt is Blizzak medium. "

Their translated comments about the X-Ice Xi2:
" Michelin has made some improvements in this year's edition of X-Ice. Last year was covered medium on ice, this year it is clear most of the friction. The brakes even better than many tires on ice. The snow is slightly worse performance than the best non-studded. On dry asphalt, it is very good to drive on. Michelin is also the quietest covered in the test. A great studless tire for hard Norwegian winter conditions. "

Their translated comments about the HakkaR:
"The reason for that Nokian does not go all the way up is that it is a bit weaker on the ice than Michelin. But the performance is smooth, which provides a secure driving feel. On snow covered runs actually far better than many tires. On wet asphalt will Hakkapeliitta R medium grades, but it has the lowest rolling resistance of all. In practice this means that you can save some fuel on tires."

This is the first time in a NAF test that I have seen some of the non-studded tires outperform a few of the studded tires on the ice. I could not find the testing temperature reported anywhere in the text, but I would guess that the temperatures were well below 32degF, probably closer to zero. The colder it gets, the better the non-studded tires perform on ice. IIRC from a Russian test last year, at around 5 degF and lower is when the non-studdable "ice & snow tires" really do their best on ice. But as the temperature warms up to 32 degF, their ice performance falls off big time.
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Old 10-07-2011, 07:00 AM   #2160
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215/55/17 on sti stockers? Any rubbing issues you think?

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Old 10-07-2011, 11:28 AM   #2161
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I've narrowed it down between the Michelin Pilot Alpine PA3s and the Pirelli 240 Sotozeros, but need a little help deciding. After looking at Accuweather's winter forecast it looks like they are predicting a rainy, icy, winter in Western North Carolina. This narrowed out the Blizaks since they are more snow related. Anyone able to help between these two other than price.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:29 PM   #2162
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just read the reviews on tire rack fro the SP 3Ds - about 25 of them when firltering for subarus, not a single person had a bad thing to say. most likely gonna go with those. Still open to addtional advice/insight though. Thanks for the help.
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:48 PM   #2163
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I'm looking at 3D's as well. Are you going to get the TPMS sensors? Still doesn't look like any good way to reset the system when swapping out tires...
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Old 10-07-2011, 12:58 PM   #2164
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any tirerack promotional codes that i could be aware of before i purchase?
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Old 10-07-2011, 01:31 PM   #2165
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Old 10-07-2011, 02:31 PM   #2166
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Tireracks prices are pretty sick already so doubtfull. . . but worth a shot
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Old 10-07-2011, 03:47 PM   #2167
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Luke,

Live in SE Michigan but trips to the west side and northern area of Michigan. Looking for better Snow and Ice handling over dry. What are your thoughts of the General Altimax Arctic VS Blizzak WS70
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..........I'm willing to sacrifice dry handling for superior snow handling, but at the same time, the roads are perfectly clear down here 24hrs after a snow storm, and I don't want to wear my tires down too quickly, and I do tend to have a rather spirited driving style (though i try to accomodate in the winter for different tires)............I can't decide weather or not to go with a performance all season (like the 3D or the LM-60) or a studless ice and snow (like the Xice Xi2, Conti WntrCntct, or the WS70)!...............
If traction on ice is a high priority, get an "ice & snow" tire. If traction on ice is a low priority, get a performance winter.
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I'm looking at 3D's as well. Are you going to get the TPMS sensors? Still doesn't look like any good way to reset the system when swapping out tires...
just seeing this now. To be honest, i didn't see it as an optional spec on the tire or even really think about it. If its more than 40 bucks for all four probably not. I also thought it was a capability of the car and not necessarily dependent upon the tire. Y, what were you thinking?
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Old 10-08-2011, 11:42 AM   #2171
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just seeing this now. To be honest, i didn't see it as an optional spec on the tire or even really think about it. If its more than 40 bucks for all four probably not. I also thought it was a capability of the car and not necessarily dependent upon the tire. Y, what were you thinking?
If you dont get them and have the system reprogrammed you just live with the light on. Hopefully they havent changed it to chime. I think it's $150 for 4 sensors and then $40 each time you swap out your sets for the system to be reprogrammed.
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^^^hmm. i swaped on all seasons last winter and didn't do anything with regards to tpms and my pressure light wasn't on. i guess i don't follow. what do you mean, "changed the system to chime"? why would i need to get the system reprogramed if i don't get tpms? either way, its not worth the additional $150 to me, but i'd like to understand what your talking about.
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Old 10-08-2011, 12:28 PM   #2173
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I'm looking at 3D's as well. Are you going to get the TPMS sensors? Still doesn't look like any good way to reset the system when swapping out tires...
There is an easy way to do it at home. Get the ATEQ TPMS reset tool.
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so you don't actually need to get new sensors, its just a matter or having your car's system reset to monitor the new tires?
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Old 10-08-2011, 07:48 PM   #2175
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Back to tires for a moment. I'm in Seattle and do quite a bit of skiing and I'm looking for some winter tires for my '11 WRX. A friend of mine swears by the Nokian WRs. I think the type of tire - all season with the M+S rating - is a good idea for Seattle. However, they're a bit pricy and discount tire doesn't sell them. Is there a similar tire that discount tire sells that anyone would recommend?
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