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Old 03-19-2002, 01:28 AM   #1
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Default Increasing ride height on WRX?

After a bit of searching I am pretty sure I am asking a question that hasn't been asked a million times.

My question is this:
I would like to have the ability to have increased ride height on my WRX wagon for getting back to some of the backcountry streams that I fish and for various other "adventures". The flip side is that I don't want to seriously hurt my handling. (In fact I would like to improve it)

I see that some of the coil-overs have adjustable ride height. My question is how much can you RAISE the car with these? I'm not looking for 33" mudders here, but maybe 1.5-2" of lift would be great. Of the many brands of adjustables which offer the best value, height? It appears Ground Control are pretty reasonably priced, but will the shock travel match the increased spring travel? What about the DMS Gold, any owners ever raise up their cars?

Is there a better way to accomplish this?


I would love to hear what people have done as I would imagine there are some other WRX owners who use their cars in a similar manner.
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Old 03-19-2002, 02:52 AM   #2
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I think just an outback sport suspension will give you half an inch or so... or you can get a Scorpion lift kit (which does compromise handling)
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Old 03-19-2002, 03:12 AM   #3
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I had a similar question that I researched for about 2 months. I wanted to be able to go to stock height, or a little bit higher than stock during winter months and when I needed to get over some stuff for fly-fishing as well, but also lower the car for when I have 18's on. The answer was ordering DMS 50mm coilovers with street valving, and rally length stroke, custom from Dave @DMS USA ~$2670
The DMS Golds are not designed to go at or above stock levels at all, per Dave from DMS USA. They are designed to be runned around 30mm below stock. No coilover system out there right now will give you a substantial lift. I believe that you will not be able to do what you want, while improving handling also. With my setup, you will improve handling by say 300%, but give you the flexibility to run at stock level (or a little bit higher, say 15mm), and drop down 30mm when I got the 18's on. This system is a custom order thing, but I believe will turn out to be well worth it.

Hope this helps.
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Old 03-19-2002, 08:11 AM   #4
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This may sound silly, but what about taller tires instead. You wouldn't have to have the car aligned every time you change the height. Buy some used wheels and put 70 series snows on them. You 'd have to check for clearence problems.
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Old 03-19-2002, 08:36 AM   #5
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PM Rovah - he had to raise his RS quite a bit because we're out here in Maine where the roads absolutely suck in the winter. I *think* he has outback springs on there, but I'm not sure.
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Old 03-19-2002, 09:38 AM   #6
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I had a similar question that I researched for about 2 months. I wanted to be able to go to stock height, or a little bit higher than stock during winter months and when I needed to get over some stuff for fly-fishing as well, but also lower the car for when I have 18's on. The answer was ordering DMS 50mm coilovers with street valving, and rally length stroke, custom from Dave @DMS USA ~$2670
The DMS Golds are not designed to go at or above stock levels at all, per Dave from DMS USA. They are designed to be runned around 30mm below stock. No coilover system out there right now will give you a substantial lift. I believe that you will not be able to do what you want, while improving handling also. With my setup, you will improve handling by say 300%, but give you the flexibility to run at stock level (or a little bit higher, say 15mm), and drop down 30mm when I got the 18's on. This system is a custom order thing, but I believe will turn out to be well worth it.

Hope this helps.
You're my new hero, WellArmed! That setup should be staggeringly good in all conditions. I thought that I didn't have to slow down for anything with my Golds. You'll be able to curb-hop!

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Old 03-19-2002, 10:02 AM   #7
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keep in mind, everytime you adjust the ride height signifigantly (1" or more) you will need an alignment for it to drive properly...

and if you go above stock height, no matter what suspension you have, you will compromise the handling of the car.

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Old 03-19-2002, 12:00 PM   #8
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Thanks for the input.

I was afraid this was going to be the answer.
Obviously the car is going to lose handling performance when in a "taller" state and that is why I was hoping for an adjustable solution.

I also agree that alignment would also need to be changed for large variations.
I was hoping to have the car "dialed in" at stock height or slightly lower and then be somewhat "off" when the car in "off-road" mode.

I considered the OBS suspension, but this offer only a small height increase and a pretty big hit in handling (right?)

I also considered two sets of wheels, and this may be what I do short term, but was hoping for a more elegant solution. Also, as was mentioned, I think you quickly run into fender interference problems.

I think I'll look at the scorpion kit and talk to DMS.

Thanks again
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Old 03-19-2002, 12:19 PM   #9
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What about a system with gas or hydraulic shock with an external reservoir and electronic control? Land Rover uses a system like this with air shocks and about 8" of adjustability.

I know this system would have to be seriously custom, but having a knob to adjust ride height on the fly would be really slick.
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Old 03-19-2002, 02:13 PM   #10
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Leda makes a rally suspension that will give you control from about 0.5" over stock to about 3.5" below stock. It drops the car by 1.5", and then has +/- 50mm (about 2 inches) ride height adjustability from there. RallyPerformance was selling it for around $1800.

Not too mention they're 24-stage coilovers.
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Old 03-19-2002, 08:27 PM   #11
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The Forester uses an Impreza platform and adds 35 mm spacers ( there probably are additional pieces needed ) to achieve the additional ride height, also the Outback uses a Legacy platform with 35mm spacers. My local master mechanic at Subaru has an old Legacy turbo wagon which he added the necessary OEM hardware to "Outback his turbo wagon". My point is that Subaru has already done the lift, maybe the OEM hardware will make your lift easier. Scoobyfish's world's first WRX Outback. When your done can we take a ride it it. Richard
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Old 05-29-2002, 04:05 PM   #12
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I wonder if anyone has tried to put an aftermarket suspension kit that can lower 0-2", then add the 35mm spacers from the Forester/OBS and then put stiffer sway bars in. This way you can have the extra travel with the suspension set on "stock" but have *some* (better than none) body roll resistance with all the ground clearance benefits. Then you can opt to lower on sunny days, etc.

I too, am amazed there aren't more lifting rally kits. Seems like most people would want that rather than making the car a sparker on the street. I mean the car really shines in light off road.
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Old 05-29-2002, 04:33 PM   #13
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its because you don't NEED much ride height for rallying.

rallying is done on slippery, but rather smooth surfaces.

stock ride height works quite well, especially if the shocks are valved to prevent you from bottoming out too easy

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I wonder if anyone has tried to put an aftermarket suspension I too, am amazed there aren't more lifting rally kits. Seems like most people would want that rather than making the car a sparker on the street. I mean the car really shines in light off road.
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Old 05-29-2002, 05:20 PM   #14
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jmott,


Are you following me today? jk!

I just think it would be helpful to be able to dial in an inch of ground clearance for some slightly heavier offroad use. I've yet to scrape anything or bottom out, but I haven't done much besides some light bumpy gravel encounters. And I'd love to hit the offroad beaches around where I live. The sand can get a little deep in certain places.

Not sure if sand is such a wonderful idea for my baby though.
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Old 05-29-2002, 08:01 PM   #15
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No coilover system out there right now will give you a substantial lift.

Proflex. Call AVsport. Not cheap by any means. Real Rally suspension.

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Old 05-29-2002, 08:14 PM   #16
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Primm Motorsports used to sell TAS gravel-spec springs for the old-style Impreza, they 're supposedly 25% stiffer and almost an inch taller than stock 2.5RS springs.

I don't know if they make stuff for the new body style, but it might be something to look into. TAS is pretty big in Europe, I've heard.

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Hah tell that to the people that blow struts during the course of a rally. At sno*drift a car that just happened to be running on some stock struts blew all 4 within the first few stages. Rallying is done on all different kinds of surfaces, not just roads covered in gravel. Even those aren't what I would call "smooth". Anyways, lift+street handling don't really equate. My suggestion is don't drive on roads you can't handle, or don't drive fast on the ones you think you'll have a problem with. A proflex rally suspension isn't really the answer either, you might as well go buy a beater pickup and slap big tires on it, it'd cost less money...

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its because you don't NEED much ride height for rallying.

rallying is done on slippery, but rather smooth surfaces.

stock ride height works quite well, especially if the shocks are valved to prevent you from bottoming out too easy

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Old 05-30-2002, 01:01 AM   #18
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Hehe, I have most parts of the AIR SUSPENSION with ride height adjustment from a 1990 legacy you could use!

All you would need are some new struts and lines
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rallying is done on slippery, but rather smooth surfaces.

You've never seen one, have you?
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Old 05-30-2002, 09:30 AM   #20
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Proflex. Call AVsport. Not cheap by any means. Real Rally suspension.

CT

Hmm . . .
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PROFLEX 55mm Rally Suspension

When only the best will do. This is the same suspension we use on our Open Class car driven by David Higgins.


'02 WRX PROFLEX STREET SUSPENSION

Street performance at its best. Based on the rally winning struts.

Hmm, I guess the first one is out of my league. I think I'm gonna ask how much the Proflex Street Suspension is. Anybody use either one of these? I shouldn't get my hopes up on my budget

I'm still thinking about my first idea. Although there are probably alignment issues I haven't even thought about yet. I should start buying lotto tickets again!
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