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Old 10-06-2008, 09:53 AM   #1
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Default 2006 Legacy GT - TAKE 2!!! (AVO450, AMR GOODIES!!!) AMAZING INCREASE!!!!

Numbers
Dyno: Dyno Dynamics
Tuner: Auto Master AMR
Wheel HP: 359whp (stock 130-140whp)
Wheel TQ: 360wtq (stock 150wtq)



Car Info:

Year: 2006
Engine Management: AMR PROTune (COBB APv2.0)
Turbo: AVO 450 Turbocharger
Intercooler: AMR Race Front Mount Intercooler
Meth Kit: NONE
Injectors: Deatch Works 740cc Injectors
Intake/Inlet: AMR BMI Cold Air System
Headers: STOCK
Uppipe: Aftermarket Up-Pipe
Exhaust: AMR 3" Dual Turbo Back Exhaust System
Other Power Mods:
- AEM Tru-Boost Controller
- PERRIN Turbo Inlet Hose
- STOCK Fuel Rails
- Walbro 255 Fuel Pump


DYNO SHEET:




Notes:

You all remember this vehicle from the last thread:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=amr


Some changes were made and the gains were HUGE! We equipped the Legacy with an AMR 3" Dual Turbo Back Exhaust System (same style as our 2008 STi line-up), AMR Race Front Mount Intercooler, AMR BIG MAF Intake System along with an AEM Tru-Boost Controller. At the same boost level, running AFR's a little richer then prior (11.1) we picked up an additional 51whp along with 60wtq. Amazing. These additional modifications are exactly what the vehicle needed to show the potential of this turbocharger. After going to a test run, the customer was so amazed at how much harder the vehicle pulled, he will be installing a Meth Injection Kit and another Re-Tune. STAY TUNED!



Power Increase: +219-229whp over stock (safe & conservative)


Tuning Note:

- AFR: 11.1
- BOOST: 20psi
- TIMING: Conservative
- FUEL: 93 Octane



-Rob
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Old 10-06-2008, 11:17 AM   #2
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nice, used to have this turbo and loved it...
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:06 PM   #3
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nice #s for a simple build.
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:51 PM   #4
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Any pictures of the exhaust on the car?
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Old 10-06-2008, 01:56 PM   #5
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WOW! Nice gains.

AMR Parts FTW!
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:01 PM   #6
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Way to go amr. Looks like you also picked up a fair bit of spool with the parts you added too. Any possibility of doing an overlay for comparison sake?
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:18 PM   #7
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I'm interested in the FMIC - pics?
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:13 PM   #8
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WOW! Nice gains.

AMR Parts FTW!
Those are nice gains. Do you attribute them to better flow of the intercooler and exhaust, considering boost stayed the same and AFR's were richened up a bit?
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:05 PM   #9
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Way to go amr. Looks like you also picked up a fair bit of spool with the parts you added too. Any possibility of doing an overlay for comparison sake?

Sure I will print one out tomorrow and post it for you.

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I'm interested in the FMIC - pics?

I will get some pics together.


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Those are nice gains. Do you attribute them to better flow of the intercooler and exhaust, considering boost stayed the same and AFR's were richened up a bit?
Oh yes. The power gain is definitely from the increase of flow. We do non-stop R&D on all of our products to ensure that we have squeezed every once of power out of them. When you purchase an AMR product, you have purchased an item that has been built to its highest in quality and engineering.

It just shows how restricted some aftermarket products are. Especially from a racers perspective. Every horsepower counts when you are racing. You do not want to leave it down to whose the better driver . This is why we spend so much time improving on our products.



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Old 10-06-2008, 11:51 PM   #10
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Very nice, i have a AVO500 and love it but my boost comes on at 4,000rpm but then again i am running 17psi and not 20psi. To be fair though i have tgv deletes and GTSpec headers. Nice numbers, i love the legacy! I just can not afford one.
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Old 10-07-2008, 09:10 AM   #11
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WOw those are some nasty ass gains from just a couple bolt-on changes. Another sick job by Rob and the guys at AMR!!!
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Old 12-18-2008, 02:24 AM   #12
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NO WAY 06 LGT does not make 130-140 whp stock

It makes 190-215whp stock depending on the dyno.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:29 AM   #13
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NO WAY 06 LGT does not make 130-140 whp stock

It makes 190-215whp stock depending on the dyno.

Not on our dyno. We have had many dyno days and many LGT owners have witnessed there LGT's stock numbers. We have seen some hit 150whp but never passed that mark. Obviously torque is higher.



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Old 12-18-2008, 10:44 AM   #14
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You need to recalibrate your dyno then, it's worthless. LGT does not make 150 whp on the wheels. It would be what, 100 hp or 40% loss from crank?
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Old 12-18-2008, 11:34 AM   #15
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You need to recalibrate your dyno then, it's worthless. LGT does not make 150 whp on the wheels. It would be what, 100 hp or 40% loss from crank?

Recalibrate? The dyno is a tuning tool. Not a bragging right. We are interested in the gain we made. The vehicle can dyno 50whp, would not care, we only are interested in what we picked up. The gain that was made over what the vehicle dyno'd at when it came in. So again, it does not matter what it made stock when all we care about is the increase/gain.



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Old 12-18-2008, 12:04 PM   #16
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As tuning tool I agree. But having dyno grossly underrate actual power might discourage some customers from coming to you. That's all.
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:25 PM   #17
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Agreed the Dyno Dynamics dyno reads high anyway . What you have it Calberated for 50 % loss or something ? It just seems those numbers are a little misleading . A AVO 450 Turbo with a FMIC shouldnt be putting down those numbers . It would be lucky to get 350 + 350 on a Mustang Dyno .
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:16 PM   #18
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What does an FP Green get on this dyno? (set up like this car - pump gas, no meth, no EWG)

The AVO 450 and FP Green have roughly the same size compressor, so I'm curious how they perform relative to each other.
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:30 PM   #19
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Agreed the Dyno Dynamics dyno reads high anyway . What you have it Calberated for 50 % loss or something ? It just seems those numbers are a little misleading . A AVO 450 Turbo with a FMIC shouldnt be putting down those numbers . It would be lucky to get 350 + 350 on a Mustang Dyno .
A DD is arguably one of the lowest reading dyno's there are... lower than a Mustang.
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Old 12-18-2008, 04:52 PM   #20
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A DD is arguably one of the lowest reading dyno's there are... lower than a Mustang.
everyone is an internet dyno expert here. he must have never had his car on a dd if he thinks they read high.
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Old 12-18-2008, 05:17 PM   #21
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um.. the dyno looks fine, whether it's high or low, but the quoted numbers for stock seem off. are you saying this car was dyno'd stock on this specific dyno? and there wasn't an 80 degree temperature variance or anything right? the post reads 130 ~140. if it had been on the dyno there would be a specific number right?
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Old 12-18-2008, 05:52 PM   #22
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AMR is a proven shop in this area.


However, I do agree their numbers are always so fantastic!

If you see other ppb posts by AMR their baselines are extremely low. This would be fine if their end result was low as well, but their end results seem to be on par with other dynos.

Just like how stock sti's put out roughly 200whp on their dyno, their stage 2 sti numbers are all usually on par with other dynos. You'd reasonably expect a lower overall number which would match their extremely low baselines wouldn't you?

Marketting ploy maybe?

I mean, can we really honestly believe an almost 220whp gain on this car from an
AVO 450?

I'm sure the car is amazing on the street. Just the posts are so unbelievably fantastic.

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Old 12-18-2008, 07:33 PM   #23
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I dont see what all of the fuss is about. The car made great power. Who cares what it dyno'd at stock.

I have been at several dyno days, Gfunk can agree as well. I seen STOCK STi's put down 200whp, I saw a EVO 8 with tbe, intake and a flash put down 220-240whp.

the bottom line is, all of there numbers are right on. they even have track times that back it up so i dont see the big deal. the cars perform on the street and track and the customers are satified. lets stop the crying. I PERSONALLY PUT DOWN 199whp WHEN MY CAR WAS STOCK, NOW I MADE OVER 450WHP WITH A RED AND WENT 11.0 AT 128MPH. SO THERE IT IS!!!
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:55 PM   #24
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No, something is off when stock LGT power is less by 50 whp but AVO450 power is in the ballpark.

But whatever.
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:59 PM   #25
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No, something is off when stock LGT power is less by 50 whp but AVO450 power is in the ballpark.

But whatever.
let see...factory turbo...11 psi stock....versus AVO450 (49lb)...20psi....every bolt on...and you dont get how the power jumped drastically.

hmmm so confusing.?
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