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Old 06-14-2001, 04:08 PM   #1
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Post Are then any people that do clutch installs in the new england area

I am think of getting a act clutch for my rs
Anybody knows how to install it Help

I will help them install it, I don't have to much money but but just wanted to know if theres any body that would help me
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Old 06-14-2001, 04:55 PM   #2
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Whoa, Jimmy !!!

An ACT clutch ? Hold on a minute & read up on these things ! My understanding (from what I have been told) is that an ACT clutch is something like an on/off switch. there isn't much middle ground for making gracefull starts. Also with such a sharp clutch you could potentially shock your transmission. But don't take my word for it... ask around some.
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Old 06-14-2001, 05:52 PM   #3
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Bah. If you can't handle the ACT clutch you're a big girl. I have one in my car and drive it up and down 128 and the SE Expressway in the heaviest traffic on earth and it doesn't bother me. It might give you a little more workout than you're used to, but IMO it's completely liveable Exeter Subaru installed mine for ~$280 in labor, which is extremely reasonable. If you're really a do-it-yourself'er, wac has pix/instructions lying around.

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Old 06-14-2001, 06:30 PM   #4
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All this "ACT clutch will break my car" is a bunch of crap. They are the most widely sold clutch for the Subaru, so you can't compare it's failure rate to to others, since no one has used another type as much.
Also, there was an interesting post by Trey Cobb and others on this issue. From thier experience/study and my memory, they stated most transmission failures seen were from shock, because people don't know how to shift properly, and have a car that has twice as much power than the transmission was designed to have (Turbo cars). If you dump the clutch, and it is now stronger, something else has to give. You won't spin the wheels on an AWD car, so, you break something down the line.

I have an ACT clutch sitting on my shelf downstairs, and will put it in w/o worry. If you just slip second gear and let off the gas when you shift, you'll be fine. If you are going for the fastest time at the dragstrip, you better consider another tranny.

Back to the original question, some like to take on a clutch install at out garage days, but it is pretty involved, and takes a good amount of time (8+ hrs). You might want to contact Exeter if you can't find someone willing to help you out. I would, but I don;t have the facilities, or the experience.
If you do it locally, I would not mind haggin out and checking the install out and helping where I can.

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Old 06-14-2001, 07:06 PM   #5
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Sorry for the mis-information.
I guess I was just recalling what I was told a while back.
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Old 06-14-2001, 08:11 PM   #6
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Just to add a little more info, the ACT Street clutch kit uses an OEM Exedy friction disc so you can slip it very smoothly if that's your style. The pressure plate is another thing altogether though as it has _significantly_ more clamping force than the stock unit. Basically it means that if you drop the clutch, the engagement will be immediate and the "slippage zone" where the clutch is partially engaged equates to far less distance in the clutch pedal so, in that sense, your leg will probably get stronger while you learn to shift smoothly. It does take some getting used to and people who try and move your car at a dealership or valet parking garage will stall it once or twice, but it's just a matter of adjusting.

I love mine though, it's so much more firm and now that I've got the hang of it, the engagement is very smooth.

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Old 06-15-2001, 02:51 AM   #7
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John, don't take my post as a "I beat you up" one. I was just trying to clarify. It is good for anyone thinking about getting a clutch to understand "both sides", and that is all I was trying to do. No attack on you at all, promise..

It just bugs me a bit that the people saying it are the ones that have so much money they don't know what to do with it, turbo car, etc.. and easily blam there problem on a mechanical part instead of themselves.
Not all do it (like MattC), but most do.
if you asked MattC why his tranny broke, hell tell you at the track because he was powershifting trying to get the fastest 1/4 mile time he could.

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Old 06-15-2001, 04:01 AM   #8
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I have my ACT 6-puck coming on Monday. It is going in next week with my Chalak full-dog box.

I can't find a turbo to save my life but my drivetrain can sure as heck handle that 165 HP.

Oh, yeah, VT SportsCar is doing it, but they are a litle inconvenient from RI.

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Old 06-15-2001, 06:21 AM   #9
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Paul, you certainly are correct- driving style is 90% of the reason those transmissions break. However, I can tell you from experience that my STi clutch is worlds better than the ACT clutch I previously had. The STi unit holds all the power, *and* feels just like a slightly stiffer version of the 2.5RS clutch, not like the ACT's on/off feeling. I can actually feather the STi clutch from a dead stop much more easily than the ACT one.

Looking back on it, I can't say I have a lot of fond memories of that ACT clutch, I'll put it that way. Nothing beats the factory engineering as far as making a compromise between performance and comfort go.

The only real drawback is that the STi clutch requires, well, a STi transmission (or more accurately, an Impreza Turbo transmission). Kind of the tail wagging the dog. But then, my transmission is holding up great too against the 270-odd hp I have in the RS-T, so I think I've killed two birds with one stone.

Kurt, if you are really hurting for power, I'd be willing to swap cars with you for the summer, provided you let me run your rollcage-equipped car at a rallycross, and that you *don't* run my car at a rallycross.

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Old 06-15-2001, 07:44 AM   #10
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I was going to use the clutch for my ASR Turbo

Iam only going to run 5 psi for now
iam going to try to use stock clutch for now but i know iam going to need a better clutch soon...What would be the best clutch to use that works well well the RS-T...ASR said i should have around 240-250 hp...Exter subaru were they located, is that in NH.. $ 280 for a clutch install is a good price.. The dealers in RI and CT won't touch my car cause of the turbo.. The Subaru dealers in RI and CT suck..I went to a sales person and told him That i was thinking of get a WRX he said before you can test drive it you have to sign paper work saying you going to buy it...I was like ya well that's not what the TV commercal sayed.. Go to a subaru dealer ship and test drive one today..Ya ok...RI subaru dealers
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Old 06-15-2001, 07:53 AM   #11
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240-250hp is somewhat optimistic, I think. I've had my car at 5psi before and it felt about as fast as a 227hp WRX. The car is quick yes, but not all that fast. It won't scare you. A well-tuned 7psi, on other hand, will really move you.

In any case, the stock clutch is actually better than you think. I know people using it with 5-7psi of boost who are doing fine. Just don't abuse it. It will hold up until it wears out and then you can get a better clutch. The Clutchmasters Stage 3 clutch has had pretty good reviews too and is supposedly easier to engage than the ACT one.

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Old 06-15-2001, 08:18 AM   #12
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Edwin, I am not saying your wrong about the stock clutch holding up to boost (I know one other who ran the stock with turbo), but just to add to it, I know people with the stock clutch on a N/A motor that have it slip! So, it is a crap shoot.

At any rate, If I had a turbo setup (Sigh..), I would get the car running well with boost and the stock clutch, and try not to abuse/heat up the clutch too much. Once the car runs the way you want, put a real clutch in and be careful. Again, I think any aftermarket clutch has the capabilities of breaking the stock tranny, no matter how it engages or feels, especially with a turbo car. Be kind with the left foot, and tough with the right.

I have driven 2 cars with an ACT: Ryanc's, and Edwins. Edwin, I am not sure if it was your flywheel or not, but Ryan's car was far easier to drive than yours was. I was surprised. Maybe your clutch was not completly broken in. (?)

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Old 06-15-2001, 08:22 AM   #13
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240-250 at the flywheel
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Old 06-15-2001, 08:25 AM   #14
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I have like 50 k miles on my car but i never dump the clutch once or beat on the car a t all,, I shift at 5500-5700 sometimes but that s it
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Old 06-15-2001, 08:31 AM   #15
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I completely agree with all of Kurt's opinions about the ACT.

FYI, Edwin seems to be one of a small minority who doesn't like the ACT setup. Not that there's a problem with his tastes, of course. But not many people are rich or fortunate enough to run an STi tranny.

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Old 06-15-2001, 08:32 AM   #16
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Paul, you drove my car like 2 or 3 days after I got the ACT clutch in. It did get a lot easier afterwards, but it still wasn't nearly as nice and progressive as my STI clutch is now. There a lot of pedal range between "off" and "on" with my STi clutch, range that I do not feel I had with the ACT unit.

But in any case, Jimmy can't use the STi clutch without getting a turbo transmission, so this discussion is getting somewhat off-topic.

Jimmy, I sincerely doubt you will make 240-250 hp at the flywheel with only 5psi of boost, particularly if you are just using piggybacks to tune the car, because you won't be able to advance ignition timing to take advance of the extra fuel and higher octane (remember your car is tuned for 87 octane). I've driven my car at 5psi and other people's cars at 5psi, and it doesn't feel as fast as other 250hp cars I've driven (ex. Audi S4, E36 M3, etc.). It is more realistic to say you are probably going to make 230hp or thereabouts.

In any case, in a month or two, we can settle this at the dyno. That's all I will say for now.

-Edwin

ps: Wayne, I don't think you've driven my car with the STi tranny and clutch in there. I'll let you try it out yourself sometime so you can see what I mean.

pps: I definitely wasn't rich enough to afford the STi tranny - I was just fortunate and found one at a very good price. I got it for about the same price as a used 2.5RS transmission.

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Old 06-15-2001, 08:43 AM   #17
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Efoo

should i get a timer controller.. Which one should i use if i do buy one j&s safe guard
????????

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Old 06-15-2001, 09:03 AM   #18
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Edwin, I actually drove your car at Jude's the weekend we took the STI tranny from the other car. I never drove it before then, but I have no clue how many turbo/Act clutch miles were on the car then. I am pretty sure Rayan's car had more miles on his setup than yours did.

When I drove the STI clutch, I did not really like it to be honest. I thought it caught really high off the floor and felt weird. It was still "on/off" (not harsh), but at a much higher pedal level off the floor. Just my opinion though, and it is nothing that would prevent me from jumping in the driver seat again.

Jimmy,
I would think with 5 psi all you would need is the J&S (any psi really, just to be safe) and rising rate fuel pressure regulator (RRFPR). If you want the timing advance, you can get an Apexi ITC, and extra fuel controls via an Apexi AFC. If I were you, I would just worry about getting the kit on with a J&S for safety and the RRFPR to cover extra fuel under boost. See how it runs, and take it easy. Keep an eye on the EGT gauge,a nd try to avoid knock as much as you can. You can always add the expensive electronics to improve the performance. That is my plan at least, when the 60K mile time comes around.

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Old 06-15-2001, 09:11 AM   #19
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Paul is right - just go with the basics for now. Otherwise you'll drive yourself nuts trying to tune all those little black boxes at the same time.

Your goal at first should be to get the car to a drivable state, not get it going as fast as possible as soon as you bolt the turbo on. Once you're sure that nothing is going to fall off, then start tuning for performance.

But yes, in order to advance/retard timing, you need one of those ITC doo-hickeys. The J&S knock sensor is a must though - you are treading on dangerous ground if you install the turbo without being able to retard timing if you knock under boost. The stock sensor isn't quite up to the task. Sure, 5psi isn't a lot, but what if you accidentally mis-install your wastegate and you overboost to 15-20psi? Stuff happens.

Wayne (wac) would be the person to talk to about those things, as he actually has them installed in his turbo wagon. My knowledge goes about this far and stops dead.

Paul, my clutch has been further adjusted since the Glen - I adjusted the pedal a bit to make it engage a bit lower to the floor, so that's gone now. In any case, it's a personal preference thing - I like my engagement to be higher up personally because that means I don't have to push the pedal in nearly as much to shift - I basically just "tap" the clutch pedal and away I go. And then I also don't have to move the seat all the way up close to the wheel in order to be able to mash the clutch and brake pedals to the footwell - I'm not as tall as some of you. Well, except for you Paul.

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so the J&S is go enoguh I have The SAFC already install and i have a jcsport kit back 2.5 ehaust system.. The j&s would take care of the timing and and the knocking if it happened ,also The highest boost i will every run will be 7psi that it. would i need anything else to run my kit as good as posable or make it last as long with out hurt the engine
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I basically just "tap" the clutch pedal and away I go.
Sounds like the perfect recipe for broken gears... (Don't blame the clutch.)

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broken gears?... that's assuming I floor it immediately before I let the clutch back out. I think we both know I don't do that.

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Old 06-15-2001, 11:18 AM   #23
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Wac is in a funny mood today, must be the heat.

Jimmy, I think you have what you need. Just be smart and system-matic about you install. One thing at a time.. etc..
Tuning will be much easyier if you just focus on one area, and then move on. If you start changing 1000 things at once, you'll be screwed. Easier said than done, but out of the box at 5 psi with the J&S, the car should run pretty well. If it does not, don't modify it anymore, just try to fix what you have.

Gee, sometimes I sound like I know what I am talking about.

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Old 06-15-2001, 11:39 AM   #24
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heres the list of what iam getting for now

turbo runing 5-7 psi
SAFC (already have)
J&S safe guard
And a 2.5 cat back ehaust system(alreadyhave)
Turbo timer Hks
Hks Blow off valve
EGT guage greddy
boost guage
going to try stock clutch for now

that should be good to keep my99 RS running good

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Found this thread in another forum that might be of use to you, Jimmy:

<a href=http://www.i-club.com/cgi-bin/ubb6/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=001312>http://www.i-club.com/cgi-bin/ubb6/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=30&t=001312</a>

Have a good weekend. I'm out of here.

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