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Old 11-17-2008, 10:43 PM   #1
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i have a 04 sti just stage 2 right now with cobb ap and a cobb catted down pipe

soo i want to get a Blouch TD06H-18G and maby a bigger inter cooler would it be possible to archive 300 maby 320 to the wheels casue thats my goal


any one have any advice how i can archive this for not that much mony cause i am on a budget and i don't wanna go meth

and cal is gay and yea 91 is the highest i can go on pump gas


so yea what parts would help support that turbo to achive 320 to the wheels

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Old 11-17-2008, 10:50 PM   #2
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20g stock inercooler should get u that
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:22 PM   #3
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yea but a 20g i need to change fuel injectors
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Old 11-17-2008, 11:44 PM   #4
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yea but a 20g i need to change fuel injectors
you gotta pay to play...
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:22 AM   #5
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An 18G is capable depending on the dyno. What are your other goals for the car?

I would not recommend a 20G on a stock TMIC...holds back power quite a bit, and will heat soak easily. Not sure if you can as you're in Cali, but I would get rid of the cat, and free up some more power. You really should do injectors even on an 18G, just as elazulWRX said, 'you gotta pay to play'
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:44 AM   #6
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California is gay?
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:17 AM   #7
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you've been on nasioc for 2 years and still don't know?

since you have ap, if you get the 18g installed, you can have a 91 octane map, then have a 95/96 octane or even 100 octane "race gas map" that should add another 30+whp over the 91 map...
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Old 11-18-2008, 12:42 PM   #8
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why dont you just stay @ stock vf39 if thats all you want to acheive to the wheels, I bet some headers with your stage 2 and you be right above 300whp, if you ad a meth kit, you would probably see 350whp, right?

Not at all trying to talk smack, just if your trying to stay on a budget, do what you can now, and save up the extra for future plans, I had a pretty nice set-up like yours before my perrin 30r went on. On my 04 sti before the install:

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-cobb AP v2.0 (no map just stock one that came with/which in my opinion didnt do anything) Get a pro-tune with this stuff, even minus the headers and fuel pump if you must. go get that stuff pro-tuned and I bet you'll be happy for what you spent

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Old 11-18-2008, 01:04 PM   #9
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& since your catted, yea what he said get 2 maps one for 100 unleaded would probably be the highest oct. unleaded you'll find, I usually run either 110 leaded or C-16 (117 octane) being cat-less smells so good too yum yum, good luck with your car and the future mods

ps - Go see Jon @ HB Speed, He will take care of ya' Great prices, customer service, shop, $400 -2 maps on cobb ap v2.0
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:12 PM   #11
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18g is just a stupid upgrade from a 39, don't upgrade unless you're going 20g or bigger, it's a waste
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:19 PM   #12
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yea but a 20g i need to change fuel injectors
And you think you will get away with using stock injectors on an 18G?
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:40 PM   #13
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well, since you're on a budget you should be vulturing the nasioc classifieds for deals.

buy everything used.

if you cant find it used then find some place where you get a core refund. Like Deatschwerks for your injectors.....they are $500 up front, but you get a $160 core refund.

Dont go 18g....a vf turbo is around 33 lb/min and 18g is around 38 lb/min....not a big jump.....and the 18g will be hard pressed to get you a solid 320whp on a mustang or dyno dynamics on 91 octane with a cat. It can be done, but if you're trying to go cheap and not gonna get tgv deletes, turbo inlet, and headers and you're gonna keep your cat, then you're gonna have to increase the size of the turbo a little more.

if you're gonna run 91 oct all the time i say 20g.

if you're gonna run race gas every once in a while you might consider the Green.

but again if you're not gonna get a 3" turbo inlet, then i would get the 20g.

Heres the list of parts you need
- injectors ($340 after refund from DW, or find them used)
- turbo (look for used 20g's or Greens, probably $800-1000)
- tmic (spearco would be my choice, $900)
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:00 PM   #14
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Buy and install a meth kit for 400-600. Ditch the Catt. I dont know Cali, but I do know that In Northern Cali theres a tuner named Ed (Vaus) from EQ tuning. Have him tune it with the meth and you'll find yourself in a high11, low 12 second car reliably. With his tune on a typical dyno jet you'll see about 365-375 to the wheels for the same price if not cheaper than a 18G + tune.

This is the best option I would say for you, hands down. More power than you want, reliability, and for around the same price.
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well, since you're on a budget you should be vulturing the nasioc classifieds for deals.

buy everything used.

if you cant find it used then find some place where you get a core refund. Like Deatschwerks for your injectors.....they are $500 up front, but you get a $160 core refund.

Dont go 18g....a vf turbo is around 33 lb/min and 18g is around 38 lb/min....not a big jump.....and the 18g will be hard pressed to get you a solid 320whp on a mustang or dyno dynamics on 91 octane with a cat. It can be done, but if you're trying to go cheap and not gonna get tgv deletes, turbo inlet, and headers and you're gonna keep your cat, then you're gonna have to increase the size of the turbo a little more.

if you're gonna run 91 oct all the time i say 20g.

if you're gonna run race gas every once in a while you might consider the Green.

but again if you're not gonna get a 3" turbo inlet, then i would get the 20g.

Heres the list of parts you need
- injectors ($340 after refund from DW, or find them used)
- turbo (look for used 20g's or Greens, probably $800-1000)
- tmic (spearco would be my choice, $900)
I usually agree with you, and this is no different.

Very good advice, though I wouldn't do used injectors.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:20 PM   #16
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Have him tune it with the meth and you'll find yourself in a high11, low 12 second car reliably. With his tune on a typical dyno jet you'll see about 365-375 to the wheels for the same price if not cheaper than a 18G + tune.
so ONE guy runs an 11 and never backs it up (in a gutted car), now you're telling this guy he's gonna be in the 11's on pump + meth......

sean's car made 277 whp on 91 oct and 337 whp on 100 octane. ed's road dyno reads pretty much in line with a dyno dynamics.

91 + meth does not equal 100 octane.....from my experience it puts us right around 95 octane. I can run the same tune on 95 oct or 91 + meth.

to get a solid 320whp on 91 oct with a cat, no headers, no tgv deletes, no turbo inlet...... he will need a 20g or larger.....
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:20 PM   #17
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hey i have a similar question, so i ll post it here, instead of making a new thread.
the car: 2003 WRX 79 000 all stock
parts i am thinking about getting to get close to 300WHP
Pink injectors
CSS TBE
CSS UP pipe
CSS SRI
Cobb app custom tune
now i am not sure
16G or 18G
FMIC or TMIC
i am not looking to make huge power, i just want so reliable, safe to use and abuse, i don t want just top end power, a dyno queen you know.
i will add a few supporting mods also like upgraded radiator and hose , oil/air separator, if needed upgraded turbo inlet!
what do you guys recommend for what iwant.

ps: the car is my DD, and i will start rallyx and track time.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:31 PM   #18
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if you're gonna do rallyx, i'd stay away from a fmic....may damage it plus you will lose ~200rpm of spool.....

what i would suggest for you is getting a cheap used vf39 ($300) from the nasioc classifieds and see how you like that....if its not enough, then go to the 18g.

the 2L is kinda tricky if you want to auto x.....and lag is a very "personal preference" kinda thing. some people dont mind the lag of an 18g on a 2L, while others say its horrible. thats why i say get the vf39 first so you feel the slight shift in the powerband to the right, then just realize that going from the vf39 to an 18g the powerband will shift like that again.
every lb/min you go up in turbo size you are sacrificing low end for top end.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:32 PM   #19
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I would have to agree.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:33 PM   #20
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i was told getting an 18G would increase the chance of knocking!
plus, how strong is the bugeye tranny?
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:45 PM   #21
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^^^

thats pretty funny....umm if you leave the tune stock, then yeah.

if you get protuned you should have nothing to worry about and will most likely see 0 knock events during WOT pulls.

bugeye tranny licks ballz......you may have the thicker gears depending on if your car was produced in the first or second half of the 2003 batches

actually the tranny thing is pretty driver and clutch dependant.....im pretty sure my exedy 6 puck clutch was the reason my tranny went....i was rocking a vf34 at the time.
others have great success with them holding....
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:50 PM   #22
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thanks, since i got you here, i might just ask you:
can we do tranny swaps? or is it possible to get billet gears? what kind of synchros are in the bugeye?
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:06 PM   #23
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I have a 6 speed in my 2002 wrx. There are several different ways to do it.

i have the 6 speed, the 3.9 gears in the r160 housing, an adapter plate on the rear diff to accept the sti driveshaft and the sti driveshaft. stock wrx axles all the way around.

you can do a complete swap with all the axles and brembos, but its very expensive.

heres all the tranny faq's

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187454


Heres the PPG thread, PPG's are considered to be bullet proof

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=916239

heres where i got my 6 speed

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1301517

Either way you're looking at $4000-$6000 for all the parts and labor.
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Old 11-18-2008, 04:18 PM   #24
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ok so this is making me rethink quiet a bit, out the 16G in the VF39 or 18G.

haahah i hate it, just like my last car(mazda 3), i said all i ll get is the basic turbo kit and i ended up, rebuilding the engine and the tranny with clutch and lsd.

i am really anal on power parts, i think i ll pick the turbo new, and it looks like the 18G is more in my price range.

so lets finish the setup:

CSS TBE
CSS Up pipe
CSS TMIC
CSS SRI
COBB App for protune
STI pinks
FP18G (ceramic coated)
Samco radiator hose
Lingenfelter Oil Air Vapor Separator

while i am at it, i might aswell change the turbo inlet, can i just buy one for the regular turbo?
ps; what do you think of my list for my 320WHP target... anywhere close?
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I'm assuming "STI pinks" means injectors and not springs. You're gonna need bigger injectors than that.

Avoid CSS due to their recent drama and poor reviews. You have have no need to an oil seperator.

And you will not make your goal of 320 with that stuff either. You're gonna need meth or a larger turbo (FP Green). Also, with that power level you're gonna want to think about getting forged internals. You're motor isn't exactly gonna last forever with that much power. Anything over 300 whp pushes the stock block.

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