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Old 04-21-2014, 09:57 AM   #1
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Default Killer B OEM-ish TURBO Kit GTX3067-R with Tial Turbine Housing 'The Spoolinator'

Event: dyno tune
Location: Prime Motoring JRTuned
Ambient Temp: Jeans & T-shirt
Elevation: sea level-ish
Weather: cloudy
Conditions: Shop/Street
Tires: OEM

Car: 2012 STi Hatch
Tuner: JRTuned
Dyno Info: Mustang Dyno and Virtual Dyno
Transmission: Stock
Gear: 4th
Peak HP at RPM: Dyno 331whp, Street 393whp ~5,800RPM
Peak Torque at RPM: Dyno 351wtq ~3,800RPM, Street 398wtq ~4,064RPM
Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: tock STi ~200whp, Stage II ~275whp
Target Boost: 21 psi
Fuel: Pump 93
Engine/Power Modifications: ID1000 injectors, Flat4Motorsport Fuel Rail Kit, Cobb/Custom intake, Perrin Pro EBCS, Perrin 3" turbo Inlet, GTX3067-R w/modified inlet and Tial V-Band Housing (0.63 A/R), Tial MV-S Wastegate, Killer B Header and EWG Up-Pipe, Killer B Prototype Turbo Kit, Megan Cat-Back, Killer B Motorsport Performance Oil Pan/Pickup/baffle, and TGV Deletes.

Other Modifications: Killer B Motorsport Upper Turbo Reservoir, Killer B Motorsport Dual Washer/Coolant Reservoir, Killer B Motorsport Radiator Shroud and Alternator Cover, and Killer B Motorsport Delrin Shift Knob.







Two Dyno plots. First from Prime Motorsing's Mustang Dyno, where a strong stage II STi reads ~275whp, and a second street pull using virtual dyno. Based on experience, the car feels like the mustang numbers are 25whp low and the virtual numbers are 25hp too high. It feels like a 355+whp car, but probably not more than 375whp. What is really astonishing is the responsiveness at low RPM.

One observation that was made is intake temps were climbing in the upper RPMs likely due to heat soak of the OEM intercooler. Car will be put back on the dyno after the ETS TMIC shows up.





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Old 04-21-2014, 09:59 AM   #2
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Price and release date!

Also, when you say OEM location, what parts would this kit include, and what can be reused from an existing car?
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:46 AM   #3
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that's a smart flange design! i like it!
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:48 AM   #4
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Can we see the finished product in the car?
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:01 PM   #5
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Love the location of the TQ and HP peaks.

sweet setup
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:05 PM   #6
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Beautiful guys. Just beautiful. Now buy a BRZ and make a turbo kit for it too and I'm sold!
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:21 PM   #7
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Is this a bolt on adapter that allows the v-band housing to attach to the OEM Subaru style uppipe flange? Or does this require permanent modification to the turbine housing (ie. you weld on the new flange)? Are you going to be making a downpipe that pairs with it?
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:50 PM   #8
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rotate that EWG flange so it's compatible with RHD subarus and you'll definitely have an extremely popular kit.
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:52 PM   #9
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Very neat set up!!! Im loving the powerband.
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:06 PM   #10
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I would definitely be interested in buying this.
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:07 PM   #11
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Those are some very nice numbers and powerband figures for 93 can wait to see this set up on some corn
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Old 04-21-2014, 03:32 PM   #12
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Price and release date!

Also, when you say OEM location, what parts would this kit include, and what can be reused from an existing car?
No release date yet, but ~$1,728 with everything to run a GTX turbo.

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that's a smart flange design! i like it!
Thanks! It sure did take some thinking!!

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Can we see the finished product in the car?
here ya go. Not much to see here folks, it's stock I swear!








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Love the location of the TQ and HP peaks.

sweet setup
Thanks. It's a blast to drive EXTREMELY responsive.

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Beautiful guys. Just beautiful. Now buy a BRZ and make a turbo kit for it too and I'm sold!
Thanks!... You're not the first to ask us that one!

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Is this a bolt on adapter that allows the v-band housing to attach to the OEM Subaru style uppipe flange? Or does this require permanent modification to the turbine housing (ie. you weld on the new flange)? Are you going to be making a downpipe that pairs with it?
Correct. The kit is a bolt-on to v-band housing adapter, downpipe and all the anxilliary pieces to run the GTX turbocharger (oil feed, drain, etc.).

The compressor housing needs to be cut down a bit (which we can do) and it does require a 3" turbo inlet.

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rotate that EWG flange so it's compatible with RHD subarus and you'll definitely have an extremely popular kit.
Send is a RHD car and we'll see what we can do about that

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Very neat set up!!! Im loving the powerband.
Thanks. We are too!

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I would definitely be interested in buying this.
Thanks and stay tuned!

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Those are some very nice numbers and powerband figures for 93 can wait to see this set up on some corn
Thank you. I know a certain someone that is considering a 3076 on E-85 with a ~500whp in mind. We'll see!
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:26 PM   #13
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Correct. The kit is a bolt-on to v-band housing adapter, downpipe and all the anxilliary pieces to run the GTX turbocharger (oil feed, drain, etc.).

The compressor housing needs to be cut down a bit (which we can do) and it does require a 3" turbo inlet.
Sounds nice. But why not just offer your header with the uppipe v-band flanged instead? Using two matching flanges seems like a better/easier idea than two non-matching flanges with an adapter.

The only reason this adapter makes sense is if you wanted people to be able to use it with a kit other than yours. And why would you want that?
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:50 PM   #14
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WOW that curve just looks unreal... I was waiting for someone to test out a gtx3067. Also looking forward to seeing results of stock tmic vs ets tmic as well.

I have a rotated vband kit, EL header, gtx2867/Tial .64 vband housing setup with ets tmic on a 06 STi, makes for a super fun car that will start making boost instantly at any rpm in any gear when needed Car rolls too, trapped 126mph.

Id love to snag one of your killer B upper turbo coolant tanks as well, just cant see spending 275$ for it You guys should do a group buy on those things and advertize them a little better, I never even knew about them until now, they look and are deisgned very good thoe... Keep up the work, you guys been setting the bar very high in the subie game.
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:50 PM   #15
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^ Because the has lots more versatility if the setup is parted out or changed.

For those that have made incremental mod upgrades and are at the point of upgrading the turbo next, this eliminates having to get rid of parts you've already bought. Lower cost alternative to rotated and better performing than OEM location housings. I don't mind that it plays well with other's stuff
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Old 04-21-2014, 04:54 PM   #16
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WOW that curve just looks unreal... I was waiting for someone to test out a gtx3067. Also looking forward to seeing results of stock tmic vs ets tmic as well.

I have a rotated vband kit, EL header, gtx2867/Tial .64 vband housing setup with ets tmic on a 06 STi, makes for a super fun car that will start making boost instantly at any rpm in any gear when needed Car rolls too, trapped 126mph.

Id love to snag one of your killer B upper turbo coolant tanks as well, just cant see spending 275$ for it You guys should do a group buy on those things and advertize them a little better, I never even knew about them until now, they look and are deisgned very good thoe... Keep up the work, you guys been setting the bar very high in the subie game.
Garrett twisted my arm some on this one. I'm glad they did. Nearly the same performance we were seeing from the GTX3071, but with better spool and transient response. Full boost under 3,000RPMs is terrifically fun!

Thanks for the kind words!
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:03 PM   #17
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Looks fantastic. Now I know why the Legacy TMIC has been slow to come out Set-ups with early power are just more fun to daily drive.

I swear by a turbo blanket. Heat coat all you want but it still falls short of a coat. Will be neat to see what a good TMIC can add.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:25 PM   #18
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^ Because the has lots more versatility if the setup is parted out or changed.

For those that have made incremental mod upgrades and are at the point of upgrading the turbo next, this eliminates having to get rid of parts you've already bought. Lower cost alternative to rotated and better performing than OEM location housings. I don't mind that it plays well with other's stuff
That's not the direction you went in only offering a header/uppipe v-band connection, but I do understand what you're saying. Does that mean this adapter is coming in at a much lower cost than a new uppipe (with v-band flange) would cost?

If I already had your header (and I was dead set on a non-rotated 30R with Tial v-band housing) and I had the choice between an adapter or buying a new uppipe with v-band, I would go for the new uppipe.

Looks cool. Just seems like it fills a very, very small corner of the market.
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Old 04-21-2014, 05:47 PM   #19
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Garrett twisted my arm some on this one. I'm glad they did. Nearly the same performance we were seeing from the GTX3071, but with better spool and transient response. Full boost under 3,000RPMs is terrifically fun!

Thanks for the kind words!
Yeah sounds like a fun setup. Alot of people also dont realize the 60mm-67mm gtx comp wheels also only have 10 full blades vs 11 full blades on the 71mm+ gtx wheels. 4mm smaller ontop of 1 less full blade on the gtx3067 vs gtx3071 should be alot lighter and alot easier to torque.
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Old 04-21-2014, 06:49 PM   #20
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When and where do you want the RHD car?
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I WAS dead set on a EFR6758, but this has my attention.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:48 PM   #22
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I never understood why when bigger stock location turbos first started coming out why they didn't go with a design like this, whether it be an adaptor or just a new up pipe. To be able to get away from the pain in the ass stock style flanges and go to v band makes so much more sence.
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Old 04-21-2014, 09:59 PM   #23
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Nice design

How does it do with the 82?
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Old 04-21-2014, 10:01 PM   #24
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Looks fantastic. Now I know why the Legacy TMIC has been slow to come out Set-ups with early power are just more fun to daily drive.

I swear by a turbo blanket. Heat coat all you want but it still falls short of a coat. Will be neat to see what a good TMIC can add.
Definitely more fun to drive daily! Negotiating traffic is effortless.

The housing is Swain Tech Coated so putting a blanket on isn't a great idea, but I do like them too. We'll be posting an update once we get the larger TMIC and back on the dyno.

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That's not the direction you went in only offering a header/uppipe v-band connection, but I do understand what you're saying. Does that mean this adapter is coming in at a much lower cost than a new uppipe (with v-band flange) would cost?

If I already had your header (and I was dead set on a non-rotated 30R with Tial v-band housing) and I had the choice between an adapter or buying a new uppipe with v-band, I would go for the new uppipe.

Looks cool. Just seems like it fills a very, very small corner of the market.
Hadn't thought of offering the up-pipe adapter separately, since it requires the V-Band down-pipe to go with it.

If you already had an up-pipe, why would you want to buy another one?

Anyone with an EWG up-pipe can run this kit. I don't think that's a very small corner of the market. Almost half the headers we sell are sold with the EWG option.

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Yeah sounds like a fun setup. Alot of people also dont realize the 60mm-67mm gtx comp wheels also only have 10 full blades vs 11 full blades on the 71mm+ gtx wheels. 4mm smaller ontop of 1 less full blade on the gtx3067 vs gtx3071 should be alot lighter and alot easier to torque.
Correct. The 3067 is 'special' in that the compressor wheel is a bit different. It actually has better aero than the larger compressor wheels. This setup is VERY VERY responsive.

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When and where do you want the RHD car?
PM me when you get a chance.

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I WAS dead set on a EFR6758, but this has my attention.
There are definitely benefit to the Tial housing
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Old 04-22-2014, 07:50 AM   #25
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So if people buy this when they do eventually want more power what are our upgrade options? Just switch hotsides or? Example : If I get the EFR 6758 and want more I can just swap in an EFR7163 with no other fuss.
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