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Old 06-24-2010, 05:48 PM   #1226
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I'll be going with a small 16G myself.
maybe get a cermaic coated and or pnp small 16g to help counter act the slower spool.

that is what im planing on doing tomorrow. maybe a 16gxt with larger power mods long term.
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Old 06-24-2010, 05:49 PM   #1227
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that is unfortunate, but seems like it is the best for all involved.

…but I have to ask...how many are on hand now?! Does this mean that the next failure has no rebuild, just a turbo mailed out?! cheaper prices for those left?! Ebay? …

hmmmm…25psi anyone?! lol

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Old 06-24-2010, 06:07 PM   #1228
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maybe get a cermaic coated and or pnp small 16g to help counter act the slower spool.

that is what im planing on doing tomorrow. maybe a 16gxt with larger power mods long term.
I couldn't pass up the 650$ sale at blouch. I called mike today and talked to him for awhile about the small 16G and the 19T. Good discussion.

I pretty much have all the spool fast goodies except pnp'd headers and a CAI. I doubt the CAI helps much at this level (on spool up.....up top it prob would help a good deal) since I'm not moving that much air during spool up. I am thinking about the grimmspeed pnp'd headers. Then wrapping those with header wrap.

Right now I just want the car working reliably, at a modest power level. I have a trip coming up in July that I want my car for (my other ride, ford explorer, has no AC). Since that is a ~1200 mile trip, I'll be tracking my mileage with the small 16G. I expect it to be at least 2mpg better on the highway, but we'll see.
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Old 06-24-2010, 06:08 PM   #1229
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that is unfortunit, but seems like it is the best for all involved.

but i have to ask...how many are on hand now?! Does this mean that the next failure has no rebuild, just a turbo mailed out?! hmmmm

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I think he has enough parts on hand to rebuild any units that fail. He might still sell the turbo locally...who knows.

P.S. my small 16G gets here on Wednesday I believe! Woohoo!
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:42 PM   #1230
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Old 06-24-2010, 07:47 PM   #1231
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Just got off the phone with James. I have some pretty important info.

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James is no longer going to make the 19T upgrade for the wrx. (Yes you heard me right)
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He was very pleasant to work with over the phone and customer support was not an issue with him. However he said the forums were causing him a "pain in the ass" dealing with all the problems. He said people are sending back their turbo's and asking for refunds because of the failures presented in this forum.

He is going to give me a full refund, so that's nice. I told him that I was just too nervous about that gouge in the compressor wheel to run it.

I'll be going with a small 16G myself.
I think this is very smart on his behalf. I bet not all parts are genuine so last thing you want is people to take apart the turbo to find out they've been lied to. You know what they says quit while your ahead.

The forum is good for these type of things.. No matter what I or anyone says on the forum should not cause him any "trouble or be a PITA". Atleast if he isn't a member or vendor on here. Also he can't sell BS turbos to us like he can on Ebay. So he has more accountability here because the results good or bad are publicly known.

I knew James would fold once someone started questioning his work, process and quality of parts for the price he offers it for. For someone in business for 30 years I hardly see why he would just stop doing the upgrade unless he has something to hide.

Like I said I think the subaru turbo was a new venture, tried to copy Deadbolt & Blouch and he fudged up on it horribly. Guinea pigs were needed unfortunately for him, he didn't realize that the subaru community is close and it would get out.

After seeing the new pic of xsnapshot. If the wheels ARE genuine I also thought he probably got used H/HL and 19T wheels from used blown volvo cores to keep cost down. Which would explain the scratch and the buff mark on the blade. I think it's stupid that he is quitting his Subaru chinabay turbo operation.

Tried and True 1 > PT 0

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Old 06-24-2010, 07:50 PM   #1232
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Side note: If anyone needs a td04 core to send to Blouch it only has 11k since rebuild. So all you'd pay is the $325.

Oh I want $125 for it.
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Old 06-24-2010, 08:40 PM   #1233
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I think this is very smart on his behalf. I bet not all parts are genuine so last thing you want is people to take apart the turbo to find out they've been lied to. You know what they says quit while your ahead. .....

Tried and True 1 > PT 0

I've been trying to keep quiet here, as I'm number 3 who's turbo failed...
However, PAImport tuner are you speaking out of experience or are you just speculating? Please be wary, what you post may seem harmless, but you ARE slandering a well-established company.

If the turbo's failed fine, let PT turbo and the actual customers deal with it. If someone has a bad experience with the turbo I hope they would post and share just like Xsnapshot, rodea, and I did...

BUT...

from what I can tell from your post YOU have:
- ZERO experience with PT Turbo...
- ZERO experience with any 19T on your car...
- ZERO experience with Blouch...

Given you vast knowledge of wholesale turbo parts and rebuild cost, do you even actually know what the markup on a turbo is? Parts cost are peanuts, building a turbo is all labour and proper equipment...

So I've seen several post from you regarding this topic, but if your such a Blouch supporting can you go buy one and post their 19T results?

"Tried and True"? Have you actually "tried"?

I'm not sticking up for PT or saying Blouch is a bad company (in fact I'm sure their great), but my final point here is that please stop pulling **** out of your ass and posting it here without any experience or facts..
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:42 PM   #1234
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^^This post right here is where the arguing and fighting ends. While I'm supposed to be impartial I agree with what he says.

PA, you can't walk around bashing a company you have zero experience with. While the results may speak volumes regarding the components and quality you have no personal experience with them and really have no room to talk. You are speculating and making rather broad generalizations. That't not something I want to see in my forums. I've yelled at others for the same thing. I'd like to see it end.
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Old 06-24-2010, 11:54 PM   #1235
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^^This post right here is where the arguing and fighting ends. While I'm supposed to be impartial I agree with what he says.
phew! I breath of fresh air, thanx!

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Old 06-25-2010, 12:03 AM   #1236
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Just got off the phone with James. I have some pretty important info.
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HAHA So I'm going to have a dinosaur under the hood?!? Wow extinct, I'm super bummed out, and baffled at the same time, that this turbo couldn't be a mainstream upgrade for 2.0 rex's (only the 19T/H, I believe this is the best trim hot side wheel to compliment the 19T compressor wheel upgrade)... BUT I have one , and mine has a TIG-welded divorced wall --- I guess I'll be one of the super limited production of how many sold? 50 was the quoted number out in use sold by PT? My tune is SATURDAY if she doesn't blow up I'm going to be wicked stoked!

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Old 06-25-2010, 11:09 AM   #1237
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I've PMd you Scooby and SHARP_DAL.

Since PT is done with upgrade, I'm happy.

ForestiWTi, Your turbo should be fine for your dyno pulls. I would be more concerned with less than 2000 miles usage.
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Old 06-25-2010, 12:33 PM   #1238
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So my 3rd iteration of the TD04-19T from PT....

attempted delivery by UPS last night, wasnt home since i had grad school last night. They will try to deliver it again today.

James apparently Shipped it on Monday...that means he built the whole turbo, from a new core, in just 1 day. Then did 3-day shipping to me, which is pretty cool from Cali to SC.

hopefully i'll get my hands on it tonight, and push for a full install tomorrow morning. I'll be inspecting the heck out of this one, just to make sure it is as good as those in the past.

with any luck, i can get back up to Epic some time next week for any adjustments needed to the tune.

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Old 06-25-2010, 12:40 PM   #1239
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So my 3rd iteration of the TD04-19T from PT....

attempted delivery by UPS last night, wasnt home since i had grad school last night. They will try to deliver it again today.

James apparently Shipped it on Monday...that means he built the whole turbo, from a new core, in just 1 day. Then did 3-day shipping to me, which is pretty cool from Cali to SC.

hopefully i'll get my hands on it tonight, and push for a full install tomorrow morning. I'll be inspecting the heck out of this one, just to make sure it is as good as those in the past.

with any luck, i can get back up to Epic some time next week for any adjustments needed to the tune.

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Do us a favor and take pics of the box/packaging. I don't know about your region, but UPS around here has never delivered a package that hadn't been drop-kicked across the parking lot and run over by the entire fleet of trucks. I want to see if the package is in decent condition and the turbo is securely packaged in it.

When my turbo let go my builder said the thrust plate had cracked and it could have been caused by dropping or jarring the turbo. I'm just thinking that the shipping and handling could be causing some of the problems.
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Old 06-25-2010, 02:02 PM   #1240
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ForesterWTi, Your turbo should be fine for your dyno pulls. I would be more concerned with less than 2000 miles usage.
Yeah I know, and I can't really drive her around too much, seeing as I have to stay closed fuel loop because of my fuel upgrades (injectors/pump)...

I should have close to 300 miles on my PT "Monstah" by the time I reach Longmont tomorrow, so hopefully I'll be fine. She's my baby, and I treat her accordingly so I think I will be OK.

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Old 06-25-2010, 02:12 PM   #1241
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The turbo can take care of itself, no need to baby it .
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Not dyno porn, but subie porn none the less .

Enjoy (sorry cell pics).

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink Basically as is stock FULL 02-03 rex swap (besides 2.5RS bumper, 05 STi hoodscoop, and HID headlights, amber corners, clear lower blinkers, clear side blinkers, JDM tail lights)

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink Pink Vader's WTi Stage 2.5 upgrade goodies!
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink Yeah, that's a 3-way hood scoop!
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink Hence why we call her PINK Vader lol
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink MY95GF8 (front-side view)
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink MY95GF8 (side view)
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink MY95GF8 (rear-side view)
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink My PT Monstah (H-side showing divorced wall)
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink TIG weld like buttahhh!
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink WTi dual piped IWG-VTA-DP
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink Waiting to be bolted up...
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink This shows where it used to be y-ed back, buttahhh weld!

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...eat=directlink This is what happens when you "hulk-out" torquing on the turbo's coolant line bolt... and you're being lazy using the open end! Haha

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I like the divider that you had welded in there. Just one question, though. Did you consider trying to put a curved divider in there instead of a stright wall to make the main hotside exit rounder? I haven't sat down with a turbo housing and any kind of plastic pipe to make a mock-up, but it seems like if you welded a cut up section of pipe in there instead of a straight wall, you could make a much smoother transition into the main part of the downpipe.
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Do us a favor and take pics of the box/packaging. I don't know about your region, but UPS around here has never delivered a package that hadn't been drop-kicked across the parking lot and run over by the entire fleet of trucks. I want to see if the package is in decent condition and the turbo is securely packaged in it.

When my turbo let go my builder said the thrust plate had cracked and it could have been caused by dropping or jarring the turbo. I'm just thinking that the shipping and handling could be causing some of the problems.
just got the turbo...

this is by FAR the worst condition of the box of all 3 turbos i have recieved from them. the first 2 were in great condition. this one looks like it has been through many shippings to and from customers. i'll have it opened here shortly, with pics, and a quick inspection. i will seperate the housings and inspect further tomorrow.

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James apparently Shipped it on Monday...that means he built the whole turbo, from a new core, in just 1 day. Then did 3-day shipping to me, which is pretty cool from Cali to SC.
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Wow I know anything coming from the west coast through UPS takes like 5-7 business days.

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I don't know about your region, but UPS around here has never delivered a package that hadn't been drop-kicked across the parking lot and run over by the entire fleet of trucks. I want to see if the package is in decent condition and the turbo is securely packaged in it.
^Truth
This is UPS tradition I did it 10 years ago when I worked part-time during college days. It's because they are all about time, time, time. Drivers want to be on the road a.s.a.p. and part timers off the clock.

USPS and FedEX all the way, I cringe when the vendors on here all use UPS. They take longer to arrive, usually in the afternoon/evening and your box is beat. USPS and FedEX always deliver early morning to me no waiting around. My area is last on UPS guy's route supposebly.

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just got the turbo...

this is by FAR the worst condition of the box of all 3 turbos i have recieved from them. the first 2 were in great condition. this one looks like it has been through many shippings to and from customers. i'll have it opened here shortly, with pics, and a quick inspection. i will seperate the housings and inspect further tomorrow.

~Ryan
This makes me laugh so hard.. I know this is probably UPS fault, you and PT must have the worse luck ever. Very affordable turbo blown 2 times, fast 3 day shipping but package is all haggard. My side hurts, you guys need a break. No pun intended.
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Do us a favor and take pics of the box/packaging. I don't know about your region, but UPS around here has never delivered a package that hadn't been drop-kicked across the parking lot and run over by the entire fleet of trucks. I want to see if the package is in decent condition and the turbo is securely packaged in it.

When my turbo let go my builder said the thrust plate had cracked and it could have been caused by dropping or jarring the turbo. I'm just thinking that the shipping and handling could be causing some of the problems.
You know....now that you mention it I do remember being a bit shocked at how my first PT turbo arrived. The box itself was in decent shape (I think one small gouge) but the turbo was bouncing around in the box inside its bubble warp.

The second one I got was packed much better with packing peanuts and more bubble wrap.
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Perhaps this guy delivered your box?



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^^^^smoking!

well, camera is broke, so no pics.

turbo was packed will inside...oil drain line did puncture the bubble wrap, but no bend on the tube.

this is a new core...same markings and such, but the coolant lines are welded together with a small metal peace(never seen this before), the turbin-to-exhaust gasket surface has a small wach in it, .125x.1"(nothing at all worth mentioning really) taht is not on the edge(so its fine, but tells me its a new turbin housing), different actuator, and a differnet casting pattern inside the compressor housing. yes, i study things this closely.

did notice some additional oil on the center cartridge, looks like he assembled it a bit differently this time round, or the drain line was not cleaned fully.

the compressor wheel has no 'Y' marking on it, but rather has a ink pen mark...blue, possibly to mark the ballancing...who knows. no buffing marks or anything like that. turbin wheel looks great as well.

i'll be taking the housings appart to get some numbers, and hopefully some pics.

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o, and i may look to port the housings too...just for the heck of it. not sure yet, but considering it.

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o, and i may look to port the housings too...just for the heck of it. not sure yet, but considering it.

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I thought all these PT19T turbos were already ported? Hence why ForesterWti said they were a better deal since Blouch you have to pay for porting? I do remember him saying this.
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