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Old 06-30-2010, 12:15 AM   #1276
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^^ are you sure you cleaned out all your vacuum lines? You did just dump a crap load of oil into your system when your last turbo exploded..
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:42 AM   #1277
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Quick question for you guys. I'm ordering all the parts for my 19T setup. As far as intercoolers go, would it be worthwhile to get a hyperflow over an STi TMIC? I'm looking at a used hyperflow that is only a few dollars more than a used STi TMIC. I don't want to get something too big and lose the fast spool though.

rcodea, bummer to hear that you're still having issues with your setup. Have you swapped the stock td04 back on to test after running the newest 19T?
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Old 06-30-2010, 12:53 AM   #1278
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^^ sti tmic was good enough for me at 18 psi 91 octane.. But, I believe the TMIC did get quite hot during the tune so a better tmic wouldn't hurt.. How better is a hyperflow vs STI tmic?
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:08 AM   #1279
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^^ sti tmic was good enough for me at 18 psi 91 octane.. But, I believe the TMIC did get quite hot during the tune so a better tmic wouldn't hurt.. How better is a hyperflow vs STI tmic?
It's much larger, and the core has quite a high fin density. From what I've read, the old hyperflows are some of the best TMIC's around. Though I'm guessing most people using them are running larger turbos than a TD04.

The reason I'm considering it is that my stock WRX TMIC gets quite hot after spirited driving on the stock turbo with stock tune. Since the STi TMIC is only about 30% larger I'm not sure if it's worth the semi-high price of a used one.

Aside from all that, physical fitment in my GC may be the biggest issue of going to a large aftermarket TMIC.
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Old 06-30-2010, 05:34 AM   #1280
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pinned who's selling that hyperflow?
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:06 PM   #1281
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i need to seriously think about how/why my car is killing so many turbos...something cant be right...doesnt smoke with the stock td04 i have...so the best thing i can do is let it get worse, then change to the stock td04 and see what happens.

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You are priming the turbo when you install it, right? Disable the plugs and crank the engine so it pumps some oil up into the turbo before the first actual engine start?
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:06 PM   #1282
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Quick question for you guys. I'm ordering all the parts for my 19T setup. As far as intercoolers go, would it be worthwhile to get a hyperflow over an STi TMIC? I'm looking at a used hyperflow that is only a few dollars more than a used STi TMIC. I don't want to get something too big and lose the fast spool though.

rcodea, bummer to hear that you're still having issues with your setup. Have you swapped the stock td04 back on to test after running the newest 19T?
Absolutely it would be better. More efficient in every way.

The STI TMIC is just a larger version of the crappy WRX TMIC.

You need to decided if its going to be worth the $/hp though. What fuel will you be running? If its E85, then don't bother, but a good TMIC will likely make a noticeable difference on say 91 pump.
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Old 06-30-2010, 02:42 PM   #1283
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from the dyno sheets i have seen the sti tmic will limit you to ~280-300wtq, which isnt a problem for me seeing how im still using a stock 111000mi 5 speed.
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Absolutely it would be better. More efficient in every way.

The STI TMIC is just a larger version of the crappy WRX TMIC.

You need to decided if its going to be worth the $/hp though. What fuel will you be running? If its E85, then don't bother, but a good TMIC will likely make a noticeable difference on say 91 pump.
Thanks for the advice. I'll be running 93. I'm not planning on making a crazy amount of horsepower right now, but there is always the chance that something will change in the future. But if I can get better cooling for not much more then it's worth it to me.

Going to go measure it out and make sure it fits right now, and then hopefully buy the hyperflow!
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Old 06-30-2010, 05:41 PM   #1285
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from the dyno sheets i have seen the sti tmic will limit you to ~280-300wtq, which isnt a problem for me seeing how im still using a stock 111000mi 5 speed.


its not the tmic thats limiting the tq....its the turbo and the displacement.

my room mates car makes 400wtq with an sti tmic.....on the road dyno
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Old 06-30-2010, 08:02 PM   #1286
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small 16G is here

Blouch not only included water pipes, oil drain, etc, but it was already assembled and contained a new oil feed banjo bolt with new crush washers. Also included were brand new uppipe and downpipe gaskets for free.

I managed to get my Grimmspeed IWG bracket to work on the small 16G as well by adding washers between it and the compressor housing. I made sure there was minimal tension on the IWG arm, so as to not cause an imbalance of forces on the shaft. I can still rotate the IWG door on its arm, but its snug enough that no exhaust gas (or an extremely small amount) can get by.

Also the turbo was packaged up very well. Looked like it could survive at the hands of careless freight movers....
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:35 PM   #1287
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I think everyone here might like to know that my 8 month old 19T just blew on me.
I had it running 16-17 lbs boost with a conservative tune. It blew while driving up the pass at somewhere between 7k and 9k feet. I think it may have been stressed by a rallycross race that was 95 degrees, and the turbo may have overheated. But it is frustrating because I bought the turbo new and had it installed by my tuner. I even called Blouch about it, and they haven't gotten back to me. Frustrating.
I'm definitely switching brands.
It is worth noting that Mitsubishi apparently recommends that the stock turbo housing should not be rebuilt, so despite it being a "new" 19T, it's not really all new, which is why some people I've talked to think it might have blown (besides the driving fast at high temps).
I used to endorse this turbo as a great, fast-spooling turbo for quick acceleration and daily driving, but no longer. My next turbo will be factory new, and from a different company that offers some backing behind their product.
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Old 06-30-2010, 10:38 PM   #1288
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its not the tmic thats limiting the tq....its the turbo and the displacement.

my room mates car makes 400wtq with an sti tmic.....on the road dyno

what he said ^ ^

i see 350wtq on my STi tmic.
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:54 PM   #1289
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Go with a small 16G!

I just got it on, and its spooling quicker than my 19T was. Yes even with the TD05 turbine wheel and the 7cm^2 hotside.

I currently am running on wastegate boost (~15-16 psi) and it gets there quicker than my 19T did. Not only that, but even an EWG is slightly progressive. Meaning I'm not running an MBC so I'm down probably 100 RPM of spool since the wastegate is "cracking" open before it reaches said boost.

Install notes:

-Blouch did not include studs in the turbo.

-I jacked up my downpipe taking the old 19T out, so now I have 3 bolts holding it to the turbo. Yep. Say what you will....I don't care. I'm pretty sure it will hold just fine though. Its the top two and the passenger side bolt that's holding it now. The driver's side got jacked up (my fault) or something weird happened. The holes in the downpipe aren't lining up on the hotside of the turbo.

Anyway other than that, so far so good. I think I have a tiny leak at the downpipe/turbo connection that is sucking in fresh air, because the wideband oxygen sensor is reading 17.5-18 AFR while the manifold sensor is reading 14.5 AFR.

The wideband gets back on track when cruising/slight throttle. Just at idle it seems to have the issue. WOT is still ~11.5-11.6 gas equiv AFR (where it was before).
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Old 06-30-2010, 11:56 PM   #1290
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Oh ya and I'll get logs as soon as I can. [Reserved for logs]

Ok so I may have been a bit optimistic about it spooling faster, but its definitely JUST AS fast.

Check out this log

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TIME MRP MAFV TOA
2413	1.95	2.66	29.5
2463	2.3	2.7	28
2501	2.65	2.72	29.5
2570	2.98	2.76	29.5
2601	3.31	2.82	29
2631	3.64	2.82	28.5
2690	4.02	2.82	28
2745	4.51	2.86	26.5
2804	5.01	2.92	25
2862	5.59	3.04	23.5
2938	6.3	3.06	22.5
2990	7.08	3.16	22
3081	7.89	3.24	21
3160	8.89	3.22	20
3252	10.15	3.36	19
3348	11.45	3.54	18.5
3453	12.9	3.62	17.5
3580	13.75	3.66	16.5
3646	14.17	3.72	15.5
3737	14.37	3.7	15.5
3772	14.64	3.74	15.5
3828	14.7	3.76	15.5
3902	14.73	3.74	16
3968	14.73	3.8	16
4067	14.77	3.84	16
4112	14.93	3.82	16
4213	15.02	3.9	16.5
4293	15.12	3.92	16.5
4338	15.3	3.92	16.5
4432	15.31	3.94	16
4491	15.53	4	16
4610	15.62	4.02	16.5
4673	15.72	4.04	16.5
4756	15.8	4.06	16.5
4870	15.88	4.08	17
4921	15.97	4.12	17
5027	16.01	4.14	17.5
5140	16.07	4.18	17.5
5147	16.18	4.2	17.5
5293	16.18	4.24	17.5
5289	16.4	4.26	17.5
5415	16.47	4.28	17.5
5519	16.49	4.3	18
5618	16.57	4.32	18.5
5703	16.46	4.34	18.5
5742	16.51	4.34	19
5882	16.59	4.38	19
5981	16.49	4.4	19.5
5990	16.55	4.38	19.5
6082	16.47	4.4	20
6178	16.42	4.4	20
6214	16.46	4.4	21
6350	16.44	4.4	21.5
6476	16.46	4.42	22
6544	16.38	4.42	22
6544	16.49	4.42	22
6579	15.55	4.42	22.5

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Old 06-30-2010, 11:58 PM   #1291
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I think everyone here might like to know that my 8 month old 19T just blew on me.
I had it running 16-17 lbs boost with a conservative tune. It blew while driving up the pass at somewhere between 7k and 9k feet. I think it may have been stressed by a rallycross race that was 95 degrees, and the turbo may have overheated. But it is frustrating because I bought the turbo new and had it installed by my tuner. I even called Blouch about it, and they haven't gotten back to me. Frustrating.
I'm definitely switching brands.
It is worth noting that Mitsubishi apparently recommends that the stock turbo housing should not be rebuilt, so despite it being a "new" 19T, it's not really all new, which is why some people I've talked to think it might have blown (besides the driving fast at high temps).
I used to endorse this turbo as a great, fast-spooling turbo for quick acceleration and daily driving, but no longer. My next turbo will be factory new, and from a different company that offers some backing behind their product.
So your 19T was made by blouch correct? Just want to clarify.
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:05 AM   #1292
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That's correct, it was a Blouch 19T that blew on me after ~6 months on 16.5 PSI
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:17 AM   #1293
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just wait and see what they say. did you have them fully rebuild a core or did they just do the 19t upgrade? they don't rebuild the core unless you ask or if they recommend it, as far as we found in this thread. they are usually some of the best in the customer service so i would wait to get an answer. if it was them they will stand behind it.

and i stand corrected then on the sti tmic. ill re-research it.
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Old 07-01-2010, 12:30 AM   #1294
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I had my tuner acquire a new 19T for me and install it for me. I do not know any details beyond that.

Who makes a small 16G?

The regular 16G is quite a bit cheaper than the Evo III 16G - why?
And why is the Dominator 0.5R so stinking expensive if the Evo III can provide more power??
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Blouch sells a regular 16g.


its quite a bit cheaper than the EVO III because it comes from the factory and is ready to sell.

the EVO 3 requires a bit of machining to get the larger wheel to fit. has a larger wheel - bigger = more $

the Dom .5 has a ball bearing CHRA and Garrett GT billet wheel .. aka more expense. $$


hope that helps
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PT 19T
Code:
2400	2.6	1.6
2455	2.62	2.03
2486	2.68	2.32
2526	2.7	2.61
2584	2.74	2.9
2628	2.74	3.34
2681	2.82	3.77
2736	2.88	4.06
2768	2.92	4.5
2830	2.94	4.79
2911	3.02	5.51
2971	3.08	6.09
2994	3.14	6.82
3085	3.12	7.25
3163	3.28	8.27
3254	3.4	9.29
3345	3.42	10.88
3456	3.66	12.48
3526	3.78	14.95
3646	3.84	16.11
3782	3.92	18.14
3924	3.94	19.59
4021	3.98	20.31
4085	4	20.46
4139	4	20.6
4192	4.04	20.46
4298	4.06	20.46
4432	4.1	20.31
4462	4.14	20.46
4564	4.14	20.31
4684	4.18	20.31
4756	4.18	20.31
4817	4.2	20.31
4886	4.2	20.17
5020	4.24	19.88
5092	4.26	19.73
5201	4.28	19.44
5244	4.28	19.15
5312	4.28	18.86
5419	4.3	18.28
5490	4.32	18.28
5560	4.32	17.99
5610	4.34	17.85
5764	4.34	17.7
5846	4.36	17.56
5910	4.36	17.56
5943	4.36	17.27
6048	4.36	17.12
6102	4.36	17.12
6203	4.36	16.98
6281	4.36	16.98
6356	4.36	16.98
6394	4.36	16.98
6471	4.36	16.98
6556	4.38	16.98
small 16G
Code:
2413	1.95	2.66	29.5
2463	2.3	2.7	28
2501	2.65	2.72	29.5
2570	2.98	2.76	29.5
2601	3.31	2.82	29
2631	3.64	2.82	28.5
2690	4.02	2.82	28
2745	4.51	2.86	26.5
2804	5.01	2.92	25
2862	5.59	3.04	23.5
2938	6.3	3.06	22.5
2990	7.08	3.16	22
3081	7.89	3.24	21
3160	8.89	3.22	20
3252	10.15	3.36	19
3348	11.45	3.54	18.5
3453	12.9	3.62	17.5
3580	13.75	3.66	16.5
3646	14.17	3.72	15.5
3737	14.37	3.7	15.5
3772	14.64	3.74	15.5
3828	14.7	3.76	15.5
3902	14.73	3.74	16
3968	14.73	3.8	16
4067	14.77	3.84	16
4112	14.93	3.82	16
4213	15.02	3.9	16.5
4293	15.12	3.92	16.5
4338	15.3	3.92	16.5
4432	15.31	3.94	16
4491	15.53	4	16
4610	15.62	4.02	16.5
4673	15.72	4.04	16.5
4756	15.8	4.06	16.5
4870	15.88	4.08	17
4921	15.97	4.12	17
5027	16.01	4.14	17.5
5140	16.07	4.18	17.5
5147	16.18	4.2	17.5
5293	16.18	4.24	17.5
5289	16.4	4.26	17.5
5415	16.47	4.28	17.5
5519	16.49	4.3	18
5618	16.57	4.32	18.5
5703	16.46	4.34	18.5
5742	16.51	4.34	19
5882	16.59	4.38	19
5981	16.49	4.4	19.5
5990	16.55	4.38	19.5
6082	16.47	4.4	20
6178	16.42	4.4	20
6214	16.46	4.4	21
6350	16.44	4.4	21.5
6476	16.46	4.42	22
6544	16.38	4.42	22
6544	16.49	4.42	22
The small 16G log was done in weather that was 10 degrees cooler than the 19T log. The baro was slight higher as well, but I can't remember what exactly it was in the 19T graph.

You can see I'm running a very conservative tune for the time being. The EWG starts to crack at roughly 11-12 psi I believe (on the small 16G tune only. No MBC for now).

EDIT: These are both 2nd gear pulls since I have an auto.
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Old 07-01-2010, 01:14 AM   #1297
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I'm honestly so happy to have the car back up and running, that I'll probably just leave it at this psi for a while.

Oh and interesting note, the only thing I changed was the wastegate spring for the 16G. The map itself is unchanged (same as 19T). Fueling was spot on everywhere, and boost is fine. Timing is conservative.
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have any pics of the turbo before you put it on? i will be posting some of the 16g xt later on this week or early next week when it gets here.

did you end up with a pnp and ceramic coated small 16g?

how is the response so far with spool? comparable? or is it alot slower?
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I like the divider that you had welded in there. Just one question, though. Did you consider trying to put a curved divider in there instead of a stright wall to make the main hotside exit rounder? I haven't sat down with a turbo housing and any kind of plastic pipe to make a mock-up, but it seems like if you welded a cut up section of pipe in there instead of a straight wall, you could make a much smoother transition into the main part of the downpipe.
It was hard enough for the master TIG welder to get that wall put in almost seemlessly, he even had me come in after I had talked with him to discuss again what I actually wanted (the diagram was hand drawn haha) I could tell he didn't know WHAT I was going to do with the parts I had... but it came out wiiicked nice.

BTW it works!!! The sound at idle is just as if I never had this set up, but once I hit full boost the sound is identical to a ewg. Driving around town the sound is close to just a regular TBE, but with a background noise that like an exhaust leak sputter.

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PINK VADER'S DYNO PORN!!!

Well I got to The Boost Creep Ltd by 9ish AM, I left at 3ish PM. SO MUCH FUN. Harvey is the man!!! (Mike too) He first looked at my set up and was like whaaa? Haha. It was pretty funny, so after talking and showing pics of/about my prototype and PT's "Monstah" a little bit, we checked for leaks with the smoker. We found that there was a leak on the turbo inlet, tmic coupler, and the bov (I actually hand-made 6 gaskets, this was the only one that leaked). He had a better silicone made tmic coupler for me, gasket goop sealed my bov gasket, and wire tensioned the turbo inlet vacuum line. Probably one of the best times I've had with Subies and Subie people in a while... I would highly recommend going for a tune here --- COBB in UT just moved their dyno and is recommending their customers to Harvey at The Boost Creep Ltd. (He now is getting about 3 people from UT a week!) He is just a joy to be around and wicked subie savy to say the least.

My first pull without a tune was 180ish awhp.

This tune was crazy, he had to scale a lot of things to get everything to work correctly and run just right. BTW it all runs amazingly well; 2-3-4th is craaazy fun now, I did 140mph on the way home like it was no big deal. My 60-120 pulls in 4th are just ridiculous. My prototype works exactly like a EWG at full boost, furthermore it is very quite at around town driving speeds and highway cruising (like as if I didn't even have it on at all, standard TBE sound).

For those of you who live in CO... when I hit the Eisenhower Tunnel, I dropped down to 3rd and let her rip, she's pretty subtle until full boost hits... I was like Mosses (in the bible) parting the sea muhaha. Everyone heard the IWG dumping like mad to atmosphere and pulled off to let me kill it on through .

She ended up putting down 262.5 awhp at only 17.5psi but that is with a CF:1.28 on a pretty aggressive tune on a dyno dynamics (He really did not want to go above this level, and also went as far as to tell me to turn down my MBC a full turn before I drove home). This is on 3/4th of a tank of Shell 91 V-Power fuel. With E85 fuel however, Harvey swears that I will easily be over 300 awhp with nothing but bigger injectors added (and tune obvi).

-Harvey also told me that all STi's on his dyno make 230 awhp with a CF:0.
-My95GF8 "Pink Vader" 02 rex swap made 234.5 awhp on his dyno with a CF:0. (He also went on to note that on top of this comparison, a GF8 wagon - even with my complete tow package and 18" wheels- she is still at least 500lbs lighter )

Here is the link for the charts I took pics of with my cell, Harvey will email the others and videos tmrw...

http://picasaweb.google.com/10944009...eat=directlink

Overall I am pretty happy with this set up .

*FYI I'm at 500 miles put on my PT "Monstah", no problems yet at all. When we tuned I had just put 250 miles on her... my fingers x-ed. I drove super conservatively for those 250 miles, trying to stay in closed fuel loop, but on the way home (5k ft to 9k ft to 7k ft) I drove her like she begged me to decently harder than I ever do --- she is just so much fun now even so that I almost couldn't get out of her when I got home lol*

Cheers,
~Wolf
WTi

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