Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday December 19, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > Proven Power Bragging

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-10-2010, 05:36 PM   #1451
Scooby921
Merci Buckets
Moderator
 
Member#: 88606
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Clarkston
Vehicle:
2011 GMC Sierra
'13 JCW

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cueball89 View Post
Good to hear that it's up and running well again. I still can't get over the the accordion style y pipe.
The y-pipe needs to go, but I don't want to go buy one only to need another larger one when I upgrade the IC. I would have ditched the y-pipe years ago, but when I was autocrossing the class rules said I couldn't replace it. So I simply haven't attacked that problem yet. And I'm still deciding whether I want to pony up the money for a used STi TMIC to get better fitment or save $100 and go with an ebay TMIC that is huge and not any more efficient.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Scooby921 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-19-2010, 04:12 PM   #1452
xsnapshot
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 170973
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lincoln, NE
Vehicle:
2004 WRX 4EAT
PSM

Default

Is this fast enough spool for you all? Starting to get my 16G map fine tuned, and the weather is cooling off a bit. It was ~60 degrees F outside during these logs, with IAT of ~75 I believe. Really humid and cloudy.

20 psi by 3700 RPM in 2nd gear. Crossing 4.0 mafV around 3600 RPM. Still stock maf scale and maf tube/sensor.

Code:
RPM   ITT   mafV  MRP
2715	28	2.92	4.87
2753	27	2.98	5.28
2810	25.5	3	5.72
2842	25	3.02	6.25
2919	23.5	3.14	6.85
3001	22.5	3.22	7.6
3052	21	3.3	8.51
3140	20	3.42	9.49
3200	19	3.48	10.81
3304	17.5	3.6	12.49
3420	15.5	3.78	14.83
3529	13	3.94	17.48
3700	11.5	4.06	19.65
3813	11.5	4.02	20.28
3844	11.5	4.02	20.46
3924	11.5	4	20.71
3960	11.5	4.08	20.81
4045	11.5	4.14	20.81
4094	11.5	4.16	20.81

Heres another log where I just rolled onto the throttle. A bit higher boost this time. 4.56 mafV at 6300! Not sure what it would've reached had I redlined it. Probably 4.58-4.6.
Code:
RPM   ITT   mafV  MRP
4100	12.5	4.06	20.65
4171	12.5	4.12	20.83
4268	12.5	4.22	21.27
4368	13	4.2	21.43
4404	13	4.26	21.68
4532	13	4.28	21.73
4621	13.5	4.3	21.77
4661	13.5	4.32	21.79
4768	14	4.34	21.73
4896	14	4.36	21.62
4947	14	4.36	21.58
5057	15	4.4	21.35
5137	15	4.42	21.21
5237	15.5	4.44	21
5296	15.5	4.46	20.86
5407	15.5	4.48	20.71
5502	15.5	4.5	20.67
5543	15.5	4.5	20.55
5686	16.5	4.52	20.48
5769	17.5	4.52	20.38
5850	17.5	4.54	20.21
5957	18.5	4.54	19.8
6063	19	4.54	19.8
6107	19.5	4.54	19.78
6142	20	4.54	19.67
6214	20	4.56	19.78
6292	20.5	4.56	19.67
6378	21	4.56	19.68
Its moving a isht ton of air for such a little turbo and my stock 110k mile valvetrain. I'm keeping gas equive AFR's on spool up at 11.0 and then holding 11.5 with a slight leaning out up top to 11.8. I'll need to address that, as likely the stock maf scaling is off up there.
xsnapshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2010, 04:29 PM   #1453
windozer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 213473
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: York, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon 19t
San Remo Red

Default

Getting my 19t setup tuned tomorrow afternoon. Can't wait!

Blouch td04-19t
sti pinks + 255 fp
sti tmic + silicone IC pipes
cobb sri w/box
grimm ebcs
ported/coated exhaust headers
PA 93 pump gas

I'll post the dyno porn tomorrow eve.
windozer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2010, 05:16 PM   #1454
WOTisfreedom
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 192212
Join Date: Oct 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Fairfax,VA
Vehicle:
2004 S203ish WRX
Smurf'd OUT

Default

lol @ dyno porn! I'm curious to see results!!!
WOTisfreedom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2010, 09:53 PM   #1455
AllAWD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17079
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by windozer View Post
Getting my 19t setup tuned tomorrow afternoon. Can't wait!

Blouch td04-19t
sti pinks + 255 fp
sti tmic + silicone IC pipes
cobb sri w/box
grimm ebcs
ported/coated exhaust headers
PA 93 pump gas

I'll post the dyno porn tomorrow eve.
Did you get the turbine wheel clipped?
AllAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2010, 10:13 PM   #1456
windozer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 213473
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: York, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon 19t
San Remo Red

Default

Nope, just plain old 19t.
windozer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2010, 11:07 PM   #1457
xsnapshot
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 170973
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lincoln, NE
Vehicle:
2004 WRX 4EAT
PSM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by windozer View Post
Nope, just plain old 19t.
Unless you decided to forgo your warranty on the turbo, I can promise you it's getting it's turbine wheel clipped.

In for the results.
xsnapshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2010, 06:58 PM   #1458
windozer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 213473
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: York, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon 19t
San Remo Red

Default

I think you are right:

260hp/247wtq corrected, 269/252 uncorrected. Tune peaked at 19.5psi around 3400rpm and made peak hp at 6000rpm. Overall I'm very happy with the tune!
windozer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2010, 07:45 PM   #1459
AllAWD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17079
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by windozer View Post
I think you are right:

260hp/247wtq corrected, 269/252 uncorrected. Tune peaked at 19.5psi around 3400rpm and made peak hp at 6000rpm. Overall I'm very happy with the tune!
Very good numbers. Congrats. I would love to see the dyno graph if you can post it.
AllAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2010, 09:18 PM   #1460
windozer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 213473
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: York, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon 19t
San Remo Red

Default

dyno porn as promised. sorry for the crappy pic quality.

windozer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2010, 09:52 PM   #1461
cueball89
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 90513
Join Date: Jul 2005
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: NY
Vehicle:
2003 wrx wagon
black

Default

cueball89 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2010, 11:13 PM   #1462
windozer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 213473
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: York, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon 19t
San Remo Red

Default

^^^ Thanks!
windozer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-05-2010, 11:51 PM   #1463
xsnapshot
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 170973
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lincoln, NE
Vehicle:
2004 WRX 4EAT
PSM

Default

Those are good numbers you have there. The graph has a nice shape to it as well, although I imagine spool up on the street would be a bit quicker and move that peak torque a bit further to the left.

This is what a stage 2 STI on 93 makes on agile's dyno for reference
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1736189
(341 whp, 356 wtq)
xsnapshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2010, 12:23 AM   #1464
Caustin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 253605
Join Date: Jul 2010
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Golden, Colorado
Vehicle:
2008 WRX

Default

So, this is looking very appealing to me. I was just wondering how much it would add on top of my stage 2 setup right now.
I'm figuring $300 for blouch to rebuild (can't check the price right now cause the site is down), $225 each for injectors and pump. So, I'm not sure if I would need to upgrade the intercooler or not. I believe I read yes, but I don't feel like searching through here again.
So, could I look at around $800? Or is there stuff that I am missing?
Caustin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2010, 12:45 AM   #1465
xsnapshot
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 170973
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Lincoln, NE
Vehicle:
2004 WRX 4EAT
PSM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Caustin View Post
So, this is looking very appealing to me. I was just wondering how much it would add on top of my stage 2 setup right now.
I'm figuring $300 for blouch to rebuild (can't check the price right now cause the site is down), $225 each for injectors and pump. So, I'm not sure if I would need to upgrade the intercooler or not. I believe I read yes, but I don't feel like searching through here again.
So, could I look at around $800? Or is there stuff that I am missing?
The upgrade is 325$ without a rebuild included IIRC. But getting a rebuild is probably a good idea. Not sure on the $ of that.

You never really NEED to upgrade your intercooler, but it will limit the power you'll be able to make if you don't. A good bar/plate TMIC and proper ducting/heat shielding will probably make 15+whp/wtq over the stock TMIC. Maybe more.

The fuel pump is 90$ for the kit, so no worries there. Injectors.....depends on what you want. ID1000's are gonna be a lot more than modded stockers.

How much more power do you want? The reason I ask is because add a good CAI, injectors, FP, and an E85 tune, and the added power will blow your mind if your currently OTS map stage 2 tune. It will run you less $, as you won't need the intercooler or the turbo modification, and it will probably make similar power to a 19T on pump fuel.

The turbine clipping also obviously changes the boost response of the turbo. Here you can see windozer observing the 19T in this latest result reaching 19.5 psi by 3400 RPM in what I'm assuming is a 3rd gear pull. On a stock turbo, good stage 2 setup people usually see that manifold pressure reached before 3000 RPM (depending on state of tune and boost control method)

I'm still not convinced that this is any better than a 16G. I would expect the same manifold pressure from a 16G at roughly the same RPM as this on a MT 5 spd in 3rd gear.

Hard to beat the price point though.
xsnapshot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2010, 01:31 AM   #1466
Caustin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 253605
Join Date: Jul 2010
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Golden, Colorado
Vehicle:
2008 WRX

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnapshot View Post
Useful information here without quoting a half page, while he sees that I'm thankful for him also responding to me
Well how much power I want. Not too much. I live in a very snowy part of the Colorado Rocky Mountains and I need winter driving abilities. But, I would like the ability to just have those awesome pulls through the twisties or onto the highway. So, I'm not sure how much power could be too much, but I would like a little more than my OTS stage 2. I'm thinking about as much as a stock STi or a touch over. However, I don't want to wait for high spool times. That's why I was thinking the New HTA68 or EVOIII, but that looks out of my price range. So, that's why I was looking at this. And I would prefer to do it all without E85 because there aren't any good stations around me.
Current applicable mods are 3" turbo-back, lightweight flywheel, Exedy Stage 1 organic clutch. Not sure if that changes anything. Thank you by the way.
Caustin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2010, 08:42 AM   #1467
windozer
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 213473
Join Date: Jun 2009
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: York, PA
Vehicle:
2004 WRX Wagon 19t
San Remo Red

Default

xsnapshot - you're right, 3rd gear pull. I also agree with what you said about the 16g, but I was still very impressed on how hard it pulls up to 6000. Since I got the rebuilt turbo and sti injectors for such an amazing price, I decided to go this route. The car is also a DD and this has been my first turbo swap so I decided to start small. I plan to have the car a long, long time and work up to bigger and bigger numbers
windozer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2010, 01:57 PM   #1468
AllAWD
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 17079
Join Date: Apr 2002
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Alexandria, VA
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnapshot View Post
The turbine clipping also obviously changes the boost response of the turbo. Here you can see windozer observing the 19T in this latest result reaching 19.5 psi by 3400 RPM in what I'm assuming is a 3rd gear pull. On a stock turbo, good stage 2 setup people usually see that manifold pressure reached before 3000 RPM (depending on state of tune and boost control method)

I'm still not convinced that this is any better than a 16G. I would expect the same manifold pressure from a 16G at roughly the same RPM as this on a MT 5 spd in 3rd gear.

Hard to beat the price point though.
Some plots from page one with a PnP and clipped 19t make me think that clipping is a secondary influence to the supporting mods and tuning. Surfer Steve's clipped turbo is showing similar response. Maybe the PnP brings back some response.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surfer Steve View Post
Thought I would bump this tread back up with my results of the Blouch TD04-19T on my 05 WRX. This thread was helpful awhile back and it felt appropriate to add some info...

Mod List
Stock 2.0l
TD04-19T ported and clipped
Ver 8 JDM TMIC
Stock air box with Subaru AA080 filter
GM EBCS
APS turbo inlet
Pink Injectors
STi up-pipe
Stock mid-pipe to Prodrive Axle back with a Invidia down-pipe


This graph was not the finished product, the final graph is alot smother... but it shows the difference between my stage 2 setup over the TD04-19t aftermath. spools fast as hell on the street I'm seeing 19-20psi at 2700rpm and ended up with 277hp and 277ft-lbs






and here's the difference between a VF39 (dotted line) and the Blouch TD04-19t (Solid line)



VF-39 WRX
Stock 2.0l
VF-39
e-bay TMIC
APS 65mm cold air
Pink Injectors
catless up-pipe
full 3" turbo back

I like to see how this turbo blows the socks off the VF-39 even with the stock air box and basically a stock cat back


Steve
His 16g comparison:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Surfer Steve View Post
here yea go, this is a 03 WRX with supporting mods running a 16g (maybe EvoIII I can't remember) compared to the 19T hybrid. The spool is still faster it makes slightly less hp and with the TD05 hot side it fall off 250rpm later... all in all I'm happy with the setup, the 16g is a great turbo but for $300 less you really cant beat this turbo for a bang for buck on any 2.0l...



Last edited by AllAWD; 10-06-2010 at 02:23 PM.
AllAWD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2010, 09:38 PM   #1469
Caldono
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 222502
Join Date: Sep 2009
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Colorado
Default

I REALLY wanna do this upgrade but can't find anything about it on the new Blouch web page. Does anyone know if they've stopped doing this?
Caldono is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-09-2010, 10:06 PM   #1470
wrx2467
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 201066
Join Date: Jan 2009
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Effingham, IL
Vehicle:
2003 WRX
PSM

Default

I sent them a pm and a e-mail with no response about 3 weeks ago. I want it too!
wrx2467 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2010, 04:05 AM   #1471
OrbitalEllipses
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 178811
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MoCo
Vehicle:
2013 Why don't you
just GFY?

Default

I usually have success calling Blouch.
OrbitalEllipses is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2010, 12:44 AM   #1472
teddyj
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 121796
Join Date: Aug 2006
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Huntington, WV
Vehicle:
2005 Blue WRX Sedan
In Subaru I Trust!

Default

I decided to go this route after my turbo seal failed. Sent the TD04 to Blouch last Oct and got it back about a month later. Had all the parts installed and tuned in Denver @ Mac Auto Sports.

19T TD04 (GimmeSpeed P&P w/ Heat Coating)
Larger Top Mount
DeatschWerk 750cc
+1 Colder Plugs
Walbro 255
Boost Solenoid
GrimmeSpeed Catless Uppipe
Maddad Downpipe (2.5 tapper) and (highflow Magnaflow cat)
Mac Auto Tune

End Product: HP 271.16 Torque 283.01

(Sorry To Lazy To Post Paper Proof)

Car has been running great with no problems, and very happy with the results. 2nd & 3rd gear loves.
teddyj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2010, 12:45 AM   #1473
teddyj
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 121796
Join Date: Aug 2006
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: Huntington, WV
Vehicle:
2005 Blue WRX Sedan
In Subaru I Trust!

Default

I would definitly call Bloush.... I left messages and got nothing back. Called and got a response right away.
teddyj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2010, 01:06 AM   #1474
erikkellison
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 67412
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region: NWIC
Location: Federal Way, WA
Vehicle:
2013 WRX
White

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by teddyj View Post
I decided to go this route after my turbo seal failed. Sent the TD04 to Blouch last Oct and got it back about a month later. Had all the parts installed and tuned in Denver @ Mac Auto Sports.

19T TD04 (GimmeSpeed P&P w/ Heat Coating)
Larger Top Mount
DeatschWerk 750cc
+1 Colder Plugs
Walbro 255
Boost Solenoid
GrimmeSpeed Catless Uppipe
Maddad Downpipe (2.5 tapper) and (highflow Magnaflow cat)
Mac Auto Tune

End Product: HP 271.16 Torque 283.01

(Sorry To Lazy To Post Paper Proof)

Car has been running great with no problems, and very happy with the results. 2nd & 3rd gear loves.
That's almost identical to what I turned out at Mac with my similar setup. Funny! Well, I guess not really - more to be expected.
I'm not a fan of the Magnaflow thing that they do since it didn't help a bit in me clearing emissions. I'm going catless, and I'll just swap in stock when I need to clear. Trust me, it's not worth the hassle. Even almost a year later, I'm pretty sure Nick would remember all the hassles I went through in trying to get my car to pass emissions. How did I end up doing it? Stock DP and exhaust with boost turned down. It was the only way.
erikkellison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-16-2010, 12:18 AM   #1475
03blackwrx02yellowsv
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 229840
Join Date: Nov 2009
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: cincy
Vehicle:
03 wrx
MBP black

Default

My stock td04 has bad seals and was leaking/smoking oil but has no shaft play... and so after reading ALOT of this discussion I have a question that I am gonna ask Blouch soon over the phone but wanted to ask it here first if anybody can help me out/add some input.

I don't have enough money right now to upgrade TMIC, or FP, or injectors, but I do need my car back on the road not smoking and burning oil.

Do you think Blouch would port and polish my turbo and add new seals for a decent price?

Last edited by 03blackwrx02yellowsv; 10-16-2010 at 12:30 AM.
03blackwrx02yellowsv is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
td04 19t blouch upgrade. WhiteBgeye02 Private 'Wanted' Classifieds 1 06-23-2010 09:35 PM
WTB td04 for 19t upgrade tanner127 Private 'Wanted' Classifieds 3 04-13-2010 09:04 PM
Blouch TD04 19T upgrade on 4EAT. Opinions Brock31 Transmission (AT/MT) & Driveline 6 12-17-2009 11:35 AM
Blouch TD04 19T Upgrade lackofhp Factory 2.5L Turbo Powertrain (EJ Series Factory 2.5L Turbo) 8 10-31-2008 02:57 PM
TD04-19T questions. ringe Factory 2.5L Turbo Powertrain (EJ Series Factory 2.5L Turbo) 6 06-07-2008 08:19 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.