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Old 11-20-2008, 08:08 PM   #51
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Yeah i tried to now i just use the parking brake!
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:19 PM   #52
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I really like the hill assist, I just wish it was a little more reliable. I can be sitting on the same hill, in front of my house, and 50% of the time it engages, and 50% of the time it doesn't.

Kind of annoying when you expect it to engage and it doesn't.
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:34 PM   #53
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Yeah i tried to now i just use the parking brake!
yes, I read that the e-brake deactivates it. I havent tried it myself. So what if the car is on a hill, neutral, e-brake up, foot still on brake pedal. Then light turns green, foot still on brake, select gear. Then quickly release brake pedal, and e-brake. Would the car roll then? I'm not sure if the hill assist "deactivates" or since the e-brake is pulled, driver releases brake pedal and the hill assist just times out.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:31 PM   #54
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Never tried that but i will... Let me know what happens on your end!!!
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:14 PM   #55
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Never tried that but i will... Let me know what happens on your end!!!
well, I drove on multiple hills today. So I did the following: first made sure the car is able to roll back or forwards (neutral gear), step on brake pedal, clutch in, select gear, then pull up hand brake and quickly release brake pedal, then release brake pedal with left foot still on clutch pedal and gear still selected. Wow, no hill assist.
Personally, I rather roll a little than use the hand brake therefore I will continue to release the brake pedal before selecting a gear.
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Old 11-22-2008, 02:43 PM   #56
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I've come to like it...

It's fairly straight forward:

If you don't want it engaged, push the brake "just" enough to keep you in place and it WON'T engage the H/A. It only engages when you apply a certain amount of pedal pressure on a hill.

If you're on a hill that requires more pedal pressure because it's steep, then you'll probably want the H/A anyway, so it's a non-issue.

It was weird for the first few months, but now I'm used to it and actually like it.
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Old 11-23-2008, 01:16 PM   #57
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I'm still hate hill assist!!!! I'm gonna wait till my clutch burns up and blame it on the hill assist and get a free clutch from SOA!!!! FTW LOL
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:02 PM   #58
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Im actually starting to get use to it. Once you know when it engages and how long it lasts, its not quite so bad.
Yeah I'm starting to like it actually. Although, I hope I don't wreck some other manual car down the road because I'm too used to hill assist.
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Old 11-23-2008, 05:09 PM   #59
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I didn't like it at first but it's come in handy a few times... Flat land is hard to come by where I live and it becomes VERY useful when you're trying to parallel park on a steep incline. Plus, you learn the little tricks for making sure it doesn't come on, i.e. going into neatral before you stop.
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Old 06-05-2009, 04:47 PM   #60
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I disabled mine BUT I hate how the VDC light stays on now! ARGH!!!! Im sick of seeing UFO lights on my dash just to disable the lame crap I dont want to use! It should be the other way around. Totally disabled, then if you want to use it, press the button and see the light.

Grrr! Is there any way to disable the VDC AND keep the light OFF?

Thanks!
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Old 06-05-2009, 05:06 PM   #61
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Eletrical tape over the light homer simpson style haha
i hated hill assist when i first got the car now that i have figured it out i love it.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:51 PM   #62
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I used to like it until recently. It seems to be so unreliable on the STI. I had this feature on my '04 4-Runner, and it was perfectly reliable.

One day last week, I had a hard stop coming to a red light on a flat road. When the light turned green, and I let off the brake/clutch, the car didn't want to move. I re-engaged brake/clutch, and re-disengaged, and still didn't want to go. AFter about a second, I felt the brakes let go, and away she went.

I'm fairly sure it was the hill assist holding the brakes, despite the fact I wasn't on a hill.
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Old 06-07-2009, 08:45 PM   #63
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i think the hill assist depends on how hard you hold the brake pedal. i really like it on my 08. it seems if i tap the brake pedal it doesnt engage. if i push it hard it holds. works good once you are used to it. better than riding the clutch.
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:51 PM   #64
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Regardless, for those who dont want it on, we shouldn't have to look at a idiot light saying its off. Bugs me to see that light on and my VDC light when I turn that crap off too.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:28 PM   #65
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Ive noticed that when stopped up hill, if you keep lightly pumping your brakes that it will stay where it is so i dont think its on a timer. its almost like its a pressure system
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:43 PM   #66
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I just learned to live with it. The only thing that's annoying is when I want to roll back just a tiny bit in 1st while trying to park.

I just wish it were shorter... Sometimes I feel like it's holding me back from moving FORWARD, but I've learned to work around it.
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:33 PM   #67
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I've finally given up on the hill start assist, and disabled it. I've been driving a stick for 20 years, and never really needed it, but it's a handy feature when it works properly.

Sometimes it engages at only slight inclines, which is most annoying. Light turns green, I try to get going, and the car is stuck for ~1.5 sec. Once it does get going, it's usually with a lurch, like a sloppy clutch dump. If I was a passenger in my vehicle, or in a vehicle next to me, I'd be pointing and laughing.

It engages quite frequently when going from reverse to forward. Rather annoying when you're trying to do some quick wiggling in a parking spot.

Too bad. It worked quite reliably on my (former) Toyota, but on the STI, it's far more frustrating than friendly. Guess I'll be sticking some black tape on the dash to hide the yellow warning light
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Old 09-02-2009, 02:10 AM   #68
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I never before had a problem with a manual
I could start on any hill with my 03 STi without even using a handbrake


this is ridiculous
When I first got the 08 STi
I was on flat road, I had to take of quickly as a truck was coming, no problem in a car like an STi???
unknowingly about "subaru" hill start assist I dumped it with decent revs for a fast takeoff
the VDC still had the damn brakes on so the car jumped forward (into the path of the truck) and then the clutch slipped
the brakes released but the clutch was already slipping and caused the clutch plate to smoke with still not much acceleration
the car moved off slowly with the clutch smoked, and I narrowly missed being cleaned up by a 10 ton truck travelling at 80kmh
this is $%&ing dangerous

the problem is Subaru have done a crap implementation of it with the VDC
there is about 1sec delay once the clutch switch is operated

There should be no delay...
also it should not activate until you are actually on a bit of a hill...

even if you do only a mildly a fast clutch release you seem to be dumping the clutch onto the brakes
I notice this even on a slow takeoff, you feel a sort of annoying jolt through the seat

now I have to modify my driving technique to compensate for the bloody car...
they call this a performance car wtf
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Old 09-02-2009, 02:17 AM   #69
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wow thought I was the only one dreading this hill assist thing then i catch this thread. I have to deal with it everyday that I back out of my driveway and then attempt to move forward while turning. Sometimes it seems the brakes stick and wont let me move then you get that sloppy lurch forward and feel like a crappy driver. Not fun.
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Old 09-02-2009, 02:59 AM   #70
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Anyone know if they fixed these problems for the 2010s? I thought I read somewhere, or maybe dreamed it... they went back to the old forester like system, although still puter controlled. So the brakes released when the clutch was let out. I mean thats just the logical way to do it, none of this computer timed crap.
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Old 09-02-2009, 03:04 AM   #71
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has anyone come up with a "Hill Start Assist" disable for the 08 STi yet?
Is there anyone that can reflash the VDC yet?

I asked at the dealer
the head mechanic told me he "hadn't heard of hill assist being a problem" typical dealer response...
I asked him if there was a disable and he said no, but would look into it....

every person I have talked to that has the new WRX and STi know certainly about it???
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Old 09-02-2009, 01:07 PM   #72
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I don't see what the fuss is about? When I'm on a hill it holds the brakes and as soon as I start to slip the clutch the brakes let go and I'm on my way. I've never once had the brakes hold the car back thus causing it to stall?

And yes, I've been driving manual for a long time now...
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Old 09-02-2009, 02:23 PM   #73
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I don't see what the fuss is about? When I'm on a hill it holds the brakes and as soon as I start to slip the clutch the brakes let go and I'm on my way. I've never once had the brakes hold the car back thus causing it to stall?

And yes, I've been driving manual for a long time now...
This is exactly my experience too. I've never felt like the hill assist kept my car locked in place when I was trying to pull away from a stop on hill.

I read this thread a while back, so I've been really looking to see if I can get the car to be locked in place, and I can't. As soon as I start to gas it and come off the clutch a bit, the car moves forward very predictably and without a problem.
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:24 PM   #74
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Mine sticks in "hill hold" on even the smallest of inclines. Until I disabled it, I'd just have to release the brakes, and wait a second before even bothering to release the clutch. I've never stalled it, but certainly adds to needless clutch wear when the brakes needlessly stick and you're trying (but unable) to drive away.

Going in reverse, and stopping, then going forward? Sorry, you have to wait a second before you can go. But at least this reverse-to-forward issue is mentioned in the manual.

Thankfully, it can be disabled on my '09, (and the new '10's I assume).
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:27 PM   #75
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Disabling it was the best thing ever! But I hate the stupid disabled light on my dash!!!
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