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Old 11-23-2011, 12:31 PM   #151
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Is it now a purely electrical system?


It is typically a lever. All you have to do, is adjust the cable that pulls/holds that lever. Either adjust it till it works properly, which, the problem most of you are describing, isnt "hill assist" Its "improperly adjusted hill assist" Or adjust it till it doesnt function at all.
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Old 11-23-2011, 12:55 PM   #152
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I just dont see why anybody would ever want to remove this. Its a safety feature. Ive owned nothing but manual cars and there are times where this has helped me out
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:16 PM   #153
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I just dont see why anybody would ever want to remove this. Its a safety feature. Ive owned nothing but manual cars and there are times where this has helped me out
I've been driving a stick for 15yrs, i should be able to turn it completely off as it is unnecessary for ME. Its not like its the ABS system I'm turning off.
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:28 PM   #154
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I just dont see why anybody would ever want to remove this. Its a safety feature. Ive owned nothing but manual cars and there are times where this has helped me out
It's NOT a safety feature... It's a crutch, for people who can't get their coordination together good enough to start out on a hill without rolling back, it's to allow/enable them to drive a manual that they can't/shouldn't drive. Same with many other new car "enhancements" like self parking, self braking, backup cameras, blind spot warning... I want to remove it because it interferes with my normal driving takeoffs and makes me have to hesitate or maybe stall the car if I do like normal and just take off...
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Old 11-23-2011, 04:41 PM   #155
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I don't understand why everyone is complaining about this system. In a stop and go traffic on hill, it's helpful.

Even if I don't care about this system? Why you complain? I does nothing to affect the performance. It just stop you from going backward on a hill.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:27 PM   #156
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I don't understand why everyone is complaining about this system. In a stop and go traffic on hill, it's helpful.

Even if I don't care about this system? Why you complain? I does nothing to affect the performance. It just stop you from going backward on a hill.
Because in the last 3 years of owning my '09 STi I have probably stalled it 30+ times, The 40+ years of driving before this car, included all sorts of manual trany cars and trucks and I probably stalled about 3 times in that 40 years, so, I guess I'm just too coordinated or something because the brake doesn't come off fast enough for the way I can drive and the car stalls, I had to "dumb down" my driving and wait for the brake to come off before engaging the clutch or I stall because I am just too used to taking off fast enough for the car not to roll back on a hill, but the brake is set release too slow to give the uncoordinated a chance of taking off without rolling back...

EDIT; I'm not trying to be an A-hole but coordination is the only word I could think off that covers why a person needs a device like this Hill assist, Tho I suppose practice could overcome that problem...

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Old 11-23-2011, 07:25 PM   #157
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Because in the last 3 years of owning my '09 STi I have probably stalled it 30+ times, The 40+ years of driving before this car, included all sorts of manual trany cars and trucks and I probably stalled about 3 times in that 40 years, so, I guess I'm just too coordinated or something because the brake doesn't come off fast enough for the way I can drive and the car stalls, I had to "dumb down" my driving and wait for the brake to come off before engaging the clutch or I stall because I am just too used to taking off fast enough for the car not to roll back on a hill, but the brake is set release too slow to give the uncoordinated a chance of taking off without rolling back...

EDIT; I'm not trying to be an A-hole but coordination is the only word I could think off that covers why a person needs a device like this Hill assist, Tho I suppose practice could overcome that problem...
I see your point but still. As soon as the clutch is engaging, the brake is release. I never stall in my car. I don't know if the hill assist is different but in my 11 wrx, as soon the car move the brake is release, even if I start fast.

I'm not a pro with the clutch, only 8 year with manual transmission, and I stall maybe 30 times in all my life. If not about coordination, sometime in traffic you don't think as great as you should be. Why almost nobody buy manual car? Except in the Subaru scene.

Do they improve the system in my car?
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Old 11-23-2011, 07:45 PM   #158
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I see your point but still. As soon as the clutch is engaging, the brake is release. I never stall in my car. I don't know if the hill assist is different but in my 11 wrx, as soon the car move the brake is release, even if I start fast.

I'm not a pro with the clutch, only 8 year with manual transmission, and I stall maybe 30 times in all my life. If not about coordination, sometime in traffic you don't think as great as you should be. Why almost nobody buy manual car? Except in the Subaru scene.

Do they improve the system in my car?
All I know is on my car the hill assist comes of about 1 1/2 seconds after the brake is realised, that's about 1 second too late for my type of driving, and if I try and start normally I stall the car as the brake holds strong enough to F' everything up...
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:08 PM   #159
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All I know is on my car the hill assist comes of about 1 1/2 seconds after the brake is realised, that's about 1 second too late for my type of driving, and if I try and start normally I stall the car as the brake holds strong enough to F' everything up...
+1 This is exactly what happens to me....it is not instant and super annoying. I get its helpful for some, but no where near the majority, if you drive a stick you should be able to start on a hill, its part of it. Anyway, why cant I turn it off bc I dont want it, and it is not anywhere near necessary and just messes with me.

And whats so hard to believe about wanting to turn it off??
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:13 PM   #160
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+1 This is exactly what happens to me....it is not instant and super annoying. I get its helpful for some, but no where near the majority, if you drive a stick you should be able to start on a hill, its part of it. Anyway, why cant I turn it off bc I dont want it, and it is not anywhere near necessary and just messes with me.

And whats so hard to believe about wanting to turn it off??
Well you can, turn it off, at least you can on my car... BUT, why should I have to look at a warning light on the dash because it's turned off? It should be off as a default set up, and let the people who need it turn it on, and they can look at the on light and be comforted that now they can start on a hill and not roll back...
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Old 11-23-2011, 08:37 PM   #161
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My hill assist doesn't even work anymore..
It used to work when i first started driving my car, why are you guys having such trouble with yours?
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:34 PM   #162
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I don't understand why everyone is complaining about this system. In a stop and go traffic on hill, it's helpful.

Even if I don't care about this system? Why you complain? I does nothing to affect the performance. It just stop you from going backward on a hill.
Nope not helpful at all. Like mentioned above... if you need to pull out quickly after releasing the brake and letting the clutch grab.... you stall. Well I stall. I've been driving for about 25 years and every vehicle was a manual. I don't need something that cheesy helping me. My logic is "if you don't know how to drive a manual..... why the hell do you own one!!!?" Lol.
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Old 11-23-2011, 10:53 PM   #163
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Nope not helpful at all. Like mentioned above... if you need to pull out quickly after releasing the brake and letting the clutch grab.... you stall. Well I stall. I've been driving for about 25 years and every vehicle was a manual. I don't need something that cheesy helping me. My logic is "if you don't know how to drive a manual..... why the hell do you own one!!!?" Lol.
It's weird

It's not the same system for me.

My hill assist hold the brake for 5 second or if the car star to move forward. Normally when the light change, I just release the brake and wait for the driver if front of me to move, then as soon as the clutch start to hold, break are release and I go.

I understand your frustration. Is the wrx different? Is it the tranny?
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Old 11-24-2011, 03:10 PM   #164
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As soon as the clutch is engaging, the brake is release.
Actually, the 2011 WRX I drove this clutch assist does not disengage immediately and there is a delay as a result.

Also, if I read other posts correctly, people have been burning out clutches prematurely due to this hill-assist system? If this is truly the case then yes, for those of us whom have been driving a traditional manual clutch vehicle, this is an unnecessary and annoying feature; it is a crutch or electro-nanny for those whom do not know how to drive stick.
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Old 11-24-2011, 04:41 PM   #165
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Actually, the 2011 WRX I drove this clutch assist does not disengage immediately and there is a delay as a result.

Also, if I read other posts correctly, people have been burning out clutches prematurely due to this hill-assist system? If this is truly the case then yes, for those of us whom have been driving a traditional manual clutch vehicle, this is an unnecessary and annoying feature; it is a crutch or electro-nanny for those whom do not know how to drive stick.
Unnecessary i agree, annoying, not for me.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:05 PM   #166
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It has cause me to stall a few times. Been driving stick for a decade now, pretty damn annoying.
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Old 11-25-2011, 12:26 AM   #167
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Annoying is not the word to describe. "Shame" is. Lol. Do you know how it feels to have the guys behind you laughing because the guy in the front "does not know how to drive a $35,000 manual sports car"? Not fun at all. And yes... that slight delay causes it. I think I stalled twice in my 04 STI which doesn't have it. Reason was because it was brand spanking new at the time and I babied the crap out of it. I stalled more in 1 month with the damn hill assist before I disengaged that piece of chit gimmick.
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Old 11-25-2011, 09:07 AM   #168
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interesting.. the cars i typically drive, except for my wrx have not had such technology.
the hill assist holds the car in place on a hill. this i find fascinating.. i have never heard of such technology.mine is a 05.. does not posses this technology.
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Old 11-25-2011, 09:08 AM   #169
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my fathers old 1600cc miata, i used to stall it getting out of the driveway.. i came from a datsun 280z 4 speed. very very torquey, 4 speed manual.. the miata i used to kill that thing constantly. could not drive it worth crap. was really funny.
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