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View Poll Results: Who's flying first?
Boeing 787 83 52.87%
Airbus A400M 21 13.38%
Sukhoi PAK-FA 10 6.37%
None 7 4.46%
IBthenextcoldwarstartsinjanuary2010 36 22.93%
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:15 PM   #1
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Default Boeing 787 vs. Airbus A400m vs. Sukhoi PAK-FA - which flies first?

All three manufacturers have hard claims that their projects will fly by the end of 2009. Boeing has been repeatedly claiming that even with the numerous issues that have come up including the recent wing problems the plane will fly by the end of this year. Airbus' cargo plane has been facing severe issues with being overweight but has started taxi tests last week. Sukhoi's plane....well nobody knows what it actually looks like let alone any problems they might be having. Despite this, Sukhoi claims it will fly by the end of 2009, comrade Putin says he has seen it and that it is complete and will fly. The Russian forums have been claiming a date of around December 30. And keep in mind the Russians have been known to get it up in the air at the last minute just so they can say they flew it by the end of the year. Examples are the Mig-15(December 30, 1947) and Tu-144(December 31, 1968).

So who's it going to be: Boeing's plastic baby, Airbus' fat pig or Sukhoi's mystery fighter jet?
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:19 PM   #2
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787..

but how can you compare a fighter jet to a commercial airliner?
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:19 PM   #3
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Boeings 777 documentary shows them heads above the french in manufacturing and design. Its amazing how fast they got the 777 out.

French are lazy pussies and the Russians, well, no need to say it.

Boeing is my choice.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:22 PM   #4
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787..

but how can you compare a fighter jet to a commercial airliner?
I'm not comparing the planes at all. Just asking you which one will fly first since they are all claiming first flight by the end of 2009
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:22 PM   #5
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"If it's Boeing, it's going"

Im going with Boeing.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:25 PM   #6
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that reminds me..i have to check boeings web site for job opening...talk about a hard place to get a job at
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:49 PM   #7
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None. If its December, and they are still saying "We will be flying by the end of the year", without a set-in-stone grand opening date, that means they are still fumbling around, and will be lucky to fly by March 31st, 2010.

Its just like the release of Red Dead Redemption.
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Old 12-02-2009, 12:51 PM   #8
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Boioioioing!!!

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Old 12-02-2009, 01:07 PM   #9
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that reminds me..i have to check boeings web site for job opening...talk about a hard place to get a job at
Good Luck Most of us will be glad to have a job into next year...

The question here is which will fly first, 787 or 747-8F..
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:12 PM   #10
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Boeings 777 documentary shows them heads above the french in manufacturing and design. Its amazing how fast they got the 777 out. French are lazy pussies .........
Airbus is not just French. From Wiki:
Airbus employs around 57,000 people at sixteen sites in four European Union countries: Germany, France, the United Kingdom, and Spain. Final assembly production is at Toulouse (France), Hamburg (Germany), Seville (Spain) and, since 2009, Tianjin (China). Airbus has subsidiaries in the United States, Japan and China.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:25 PM   #11
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A400.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:26 PM   #12
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Static tests to validate the side-of-body modification on the 787 were performed on Nov. 30. If it passes those, they'll fly it by the end of the year.

Don't know about the other two.
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:28 PM   #13
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that reminds me..i have to check boeings web site for job opening...talk about a hard place to get a job at
You willing to relocate? Try St Louis. I know a bunch of people who work there. One just got hired six months ago. What are you trying to do for them?

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Old 12-02-2009, 01:32 PM   #14
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I'm not comparing the planes at all. Just asking you which one will fly first since they are all claiming first flight by the end of 2009

No, I meant how can you compare commercial vs. gov't development?

787 is much larger but military usually has stricter rules/needs. Then again, it's Russia so their rules might be different.
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:06 AM   #15
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8407825.stm <-- video

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The Airbus A400-M has taken off on its long-awaited maiden flight in Spain.

British test pilot Ed Strongman and the crew wore parachutes to power up the plane dubbed "grizzly" by test engineers after its burly appearance.
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Old 12-11-2009, 08:08 AM   #16
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Airbus is not just French. From Wiki:
Airbus employs around 57,000 people at sixteen sites in four European Union countries: Germany, France, the United Kingdom, and Spain. Final assembly production is at Toulouse (France), Hamburg (Germany), Seville (Spain) and, since 2009, Tianjin (China). Airbus has subsidiaries in the United States, Japan and China.
isn't that like saying that ford is not an american company?
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:12 AM   #17
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isn't that like saying that ford is not an american company?
No, because Airbus is really a consortium of smaller companies, or at least it was when it was established. IIRC, the main players at the onset were British, German and French aerospace companies.
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:22 AM   #18
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isnt the dreamliner scheduled to fly next week or so?
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Old 12-11-2009, 09:24 AM   #19
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isnt the dreamliner scheduled to fly next week or so?
yes45

scheduled for the 15th
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No, because Airbus is really a consortium of smaller companies, or at least it was when it was established. IIRC, the main players at the onset were British, German and French aerospace companies.
ah yes. my mistake.

i was thinking aerospatiale
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So Airbus' military capability has caught up with 1954?
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So Airbus' military capability has caught up with 1954?
huh??
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huh??
He's thinking it's the equivalent to the C-130.

The A400M seems like the bastard love child of the C-17 and C-130.
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I'm not claiming to know a lot about aviation, but the A400M does seem to be very similar, at least in outward appearance, to the C-130. I'm sure that it is not at all similar other than the fact that it has 4 prop engines. Which leads to my next question: Why the prop engines?
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He's thinking it's the equivalent to the C-130.

The A400M seems like the bastard love child of the C-17 and C-130.

To quote BBC News,

"The A400 m was supposed to test fly four years ago, but has had long, complicated technical problems with its turboprop engine technology."
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