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Old 11-04-2008, 11:39 AM   #26
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I just wired the high beam power into them and then ground to battery ground and then used the parking light with a relay to power the normal headlight (just for saftey) and wired the turn signal to the parking light all of the bulbs i used were out of a nissan, the highs were a 350 Z then the fogs were out of a m45 and the headlight out of a altima



SpankySuby, I was curious how did you wire the high beams into the turn signal space? and what kind of bulb are you using? I was planning on modifying a 9005 bulb to fit but if you used something different I'd love to hear it, because it seams that unlike your setup mine would help greatly with high beams up there since there is such a good cutoff. The turn signals I'm not so worried about... I can just solder the stock ones over to that so... meh.
I sort've understand what you mean, but I was thinking of another way... unless we are thinking of the same kind of wiring.

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Old 11-04-2008, 11:43 AM   #27
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Oooh, the Semantics Game... I love this show.
And you were calling OTHER people in this thread trolls
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:48 AM   #28
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You do realize that headlights are supposed to light up the road "ahead" of your car, not directly "in front" of your car. By illuminating too much of the road directly in front of your car, this makes it harder for your eyes to focus down the road where your vision needs to be. That is why your idea seems very unsafe.
Okay I see what you mean now that you've explained it. Like I've said, I am trying to create a cutoff, and I know that it is possible because oem manufacturers have used shields to do such a thing, but have gone more to projectors for many reasons, one being they are better than the shields and project light onto the road better and more precise, 2 being they can maing smaller headlights with projectors.

The lights how they were before I messed with the driver side, were near perfect aside from a peculiar hotspot right above the cutoff on the driver side, but I do not have any pictures of when it was like that because I tried to get rid of that hot spot and in turn ****ed up the cutoff and light distribution on that side.




Aside from that, they did light up the road ahead of the car fairly well before I messed with the driver side, that picture is all you need to see that it is still a work in progress and not near completed.




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Old 11-04-2008, 11:49 AM   #29
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I came to this thread for information. I showed support and interest in the project. You came to this thread with nothing but negative comments. If you're not interested in the project, then don't read this thread. It's that simple.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:52 AM   #30
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And you were calling OTHER people in this thread trolls


Just as long as no one gets the thread closed because of a bunch of trolls or whatnot I'm perfectly fine with any comments on the idea or the thread.

I'm just trying to make a cheap alternative that works decently compared to halogens and HID's with projectors.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:54 AM   #31
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I came to this thread for information. I showed support and interest in the project. You came to this thread with nothing but negative comments. If you're not interested in the project, then don't read this thread. It's that simple.
Don't worry about it man, a couple comments here and there won't hurt anyone. I'm completely open to criticism in this thread because it's going so far against the norm it's basically to be expected.
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Honestly, I don't think this is the greatest idea. And it is nothing new. It is actually fairly common. They don't tend to work very well but are probably better than just a rebased hid capsule in a halogen housing. Search 'Casper shield" on google or hidplanet and read about them. They are usually made for H4/9003 applications and do the same thing that you are trying to do. The problem with HID in halogen optics is only partially the lack of beam cutoff, it is also bad beam spread and glare above the cut off. These shields do usually make a cut off of light, but there is still glare above it. Plus with this there is no real way to fix the beam spread. With all the effort you have put into this why don't you just do a retrofit. It seems that you have a lot of DIY knowledge and ability. Put it to use and make some really nice headlights instead of compromising output with this shield idea.
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I came to this thread for information. I showed support and interest in the project. You came to this thread with nothing but negative comments. If you're not interested in the project, then don't read this thread. It's that simple.
Not true.

I came to this thread confused but curious as to what the OP is trying to create. As I already stated, I give him credit for trying something outside the box, but I am also concerned it might not be that safe. I am very interested in the OP's project, otherwise I would not have posted anything.

This isn't your thread or your project and my comments were directed at the OP, not you, so none of what I say concerns you...unless of course, you actually have something constructive or substantial to add other than just showing your "support".
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:10 PM   #34
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Honestly, I don't think this is the greatest idea. And it is nothing new. It is actually fairly common. They don't tend to work very well but are probably better than just a rebased hid capsule in a halogen housing. Search 'Casper shield" on google or hidplanet and read about them. They are usually made for H4/9003 applications and do the same thing that you are trying to do. The problem with HID in halogen optics is only partially the lack of beam cutoff, it is also bad beam spread and glare above the cut off. These shields do usually make a cut off of light, but there is still glare above it. Plus with this there is no real way to fix the beam spread. With all the effort you have put into this why don't you just do a retrofit. It seems that you have a lot of DIY knowledge and ability. Put it to use and make some really nice headlights instead of compromising output with this shield idea.
Eventually I do plan on retrofitting projectors.... as of right now however I do not have the funds for a project like that.
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The problem you're going to encounter with the shield, is that even though you may cutoff the light that is thrown up a little better, from the sides it will still be super bright because of your halogen housings.

For whatever its worth, you'd prob be better off buying broken HID STi reflector housings and trying to fit those inner housings into your headlights, or just retrofitting a good reflector setup. Don't want to rain on your parade or discourage your project but like this photo shows, anytime anyone uses their own effort to look into your headlights they will be super bright because the HID optics are being reflected off that.



The reason projectors work so well is because the convex nature of the shroud reroutes the omnidirectional HID spray through them and focuses the light to the middle of the beam pattern as you can see in that tsx projector photo... HIDs in halogen housings will throw light way to the sides as well unless you completely redo the actual reflector housings itself. I'm subscribed so keep on truckin, but you might want to try to formulate your own reflector with STi reflector optics in mind.

Just my $.02.... GL and keep keeping us posted! Interesting project here
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The problem you're going to encounter with the shield, is that even though you may cutoff the light that is thrown up a little better, from the sides it will still be super bright because of your halogen housings.

For whatever its worth, you'd prob be better off buying broken HID STi reflector housings and trying to fit those inner housings into your headlights, or just retrofitting a good reflector setup. Don't want to rain on your parade or discourage your project but like this photo shows, anytime anyone uses their own effort to look into your headlights they will be super bright because the HID optics are being reflected off that.



The reason projectors work so well is because the convex nature of the shroud reroutes the omnidirectional HID spray through them and focuses the light to the middle of the beam pattern as you can see in that tsx projector photo... HIDs in halogen housings will throw light way to the sides as well unless you completely redo the actual reflector housings itself. I'm subscribed so keep on truckin, but you might want to try to formulate your own reflector with STi reflector optics in mind.

Just my $.02.... GL and keep keeping us posted! Interesting project here
Thanks for your insight and comments, It'll be ongoing for atleast 2-3 weeks and maybe by then I will have decently setup casper shields, but I still plan on doing a retrofit this next year... and will probably do so with some ebay housings, good oem projectors and my stock covers and a bit of fiberglass.
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I sort've understand what you mean, but I was thinking of another way... unless we are thinking of the same kind of wiring.

No your way is different it will still accomplish the same thing but yours is more compact and complex but very nicely done Me likey Me likey
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No your way is different it will still accomplish the same thing but yours is more compact and complex but very nicely done Me likey Me likey
Well the reason I was thinking of doing it this way is because it would allow me to keep my high beams and low beams separated but still have it work perfectly like stock. The only problem I see coming across with this setup is my lows may flicker when I go to high beams.

also SpankySuby, it looks like you got all the amber off that bulb housing... how'd you do that? and did you have to modify the H1 bulb at all to fit in the turn signal location?

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Well the reason I was thinking of doing it this way is because it would allow me to keep my high beams and low beams separated but still have it work perfectly like stock. The only problem I see coming across with this setup is my lows may flicker when I go to high beams.

also SpankySuby, it looks like you got all the amber off that bulb housing... how'd you do that? and did you have to modify the H1 bulb at all to fit in the turn signal location?
Im acctually not sure about the amber i bought these lamps off of a guy so i could retrofit G37 Projectors into mine and so his just came with them It could be that his car was an 03 but the bulb it self was amber. the great thing is i wasnt thinking clearly enough so the amber housing or in my case clear housing melted alittle bit on the top cuz its sooo hot lol.

Any way i didnt modify the housing but you will need to i just used some FSA Gel and Some high temp tape which works perfectly.

Yeah i could see them flickering too thats why i did mine how i did them so my headlights will always be on with power then wire the highbeam to the top.
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Curious as to how much you're spending on this project?
I bought TSX projectors for $120shipped to my house. Also have BMW projectors that I got for $40shipped.
I would think all the time/money you spent doing this could have been spent on doing a proper retrofit now instead of doing it later.

Although I do like the idea of putting the high beams were the turn signals are. I hatted not having high beams when I got HIDS. So instead I went...
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I bought TSX projectors for $120shipped to my house. Also have BMW projectors that I got for $40shipped.
I would think all the time/money you spent doing this could have been spent on doing a proper retrofit now instead of doing it later.

Although I do like the idea of putting the high beams were the turn signals are. I hatted not having high beams when I got HIDS. So instead I went...
Very nice bugeye! Well I basically have all the tin I need to make the shields, however I'm not very far into the project, I still need to finish with the shields, then make a better shield that'll hold up to the rigors of bumps and such.
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Well, better late than never... I worked on the shields a bit, made them more secure on the base of the bulbs. I have some pictures that look much better than the first pictures did. these ones do have some wall shots. I also would like to point out that I drove home today from a town 40 miles away at 9 pm with just the HID's on after setting them up again to be more like halogen reflected light and was met by several cars on a couple very dark highways and never got one flash to turn off my "high beams"


Beam pattern on the road... I need to clean the pass side light... it looks much better than it did before however.




Beam pattern against a wall, you can see there is still a lot of light above the main beams of light themselves, I have combated this quite a bit and it is much better than without the shield yet I'm still trying to figure out a better way of setting up the shield so as not to put more light up above the main beam and I'm thinking I may be about out of ways to do this with the shield alone as I was looking at the upper reflectors and it seems they are still receiving a minute amount of light... I may block off the front of the bulbs to see if it helps a bit, but I think the main thing would be when I take my headlight housings apart to block off the upper reflectors with electrical tape and see what that does to the beam and all the light above the main beam, although tacking looking I think it may work well... this probably will not be done for a couple weeks however.




Picture with more contrast to visualize the amount of light above the main beams, like I said, still a problem but much less than without the shields.










I am absolutely positive now that without extensive modification to the reflectors in the 02 03 housings that it would be extremely hard if not impossible to recreate a pseudo cutoff line as in projector beam headlights with HID's. I am still going after a better than stock beam setup though, this thread is definitely not finished yet
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I am absolutely positive now that without extensive modification to the reflectors in the 02 03 housings that it would be extremely hard if not impossible to recreate a pseudo cutoff line as in projector beam headlights with HID's. I am still going after a better than stock beam setup though, this thread is definitely not finished yet
I congratulate you on your willingness to explore on alternative lighting. I wish you the best of luck. However, please keep in mind that even though you drove past cars that doesn't flick on their high beams at you, doesn't mean you are not blinding them. I personally gave up turning on my high beams whenever I see a HID conversion kit that blinds me. It would require me to turn my high beams on at all times as the streets are flooded with HID conversion crap.

For those that are defending HID conversion kits, please stop supporting them. You may think (and say) NASIOC loves to bash "cheap but works" ideas. But this isn't just about yourself. The same thing as when NASIOC frowns upon people that post street racing discussion threads. Both street racing and HID conversion kits are illegal by nature and (most importantly) hazards on the streets. Improving visibility is good. But improving visibility by decreasing other people's visibility is a selfish act. Please think about it every time you start your car.

sorrowfulkiller, I truly hope you would perfect your project. Keep up the good work and keep us posted!
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I am absolutely positive now that without extensive modification to the reflectors in the 02 03 housings that it would be extremely hard if not impossible to recreate a pseudo cutoff line as in projector beam headlights with HID's.


Rock on. Good to see somebody learning things. I say this project is officially a success!
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I congratulate you on your willingness to explore on alternative lighting. I wish you the best of luck. However, please keep in mind that even though you drove past cars that doesn't flick on their high beams at you, doesn't mean you are not blinding them. I personally gave up turning on my high beams whenever I see a HID conversion kit that blinds me. It would require me to turn my high beams on at all times as the streets are flooded with HID conversion crap.

For those that are defending HID conversion kits, please stop supporting them. You may think (and say) NASIOC loves to bash "cheap but works" ideas. But this isn't just about yourself. The same thing as when NASIOC frowns upon people that post street racing discussion threads. Both street racing and HID conversion kits are illegal by nature and (most importantly) hazards on the streets. Improving visibility is good. But improving visibility by decreasing other people's visibility is a selfish act. Please think about it every time you start your car.

sorrowfulkiller, I truly hope you would perfect your project. Keep up the good work and keep us posted!
Thanks for the insight and comments. I completely understand your stand on this because I for one don't like to be blinded either and This is still an ongoing project because I still believe I can atleast get rid of a lot of the light above the pseudo cutoff, but like I said, that'll involve cracking open the housing and putting something over the top reflectors, be that tape to see if it will work or ceramic paint if it does work.

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Rock on. Good to see somebody learning things. I say this project is officially a success!
, thanks for the comment, It'll still go on, still a bit more to explore til I'm done trying to get better lighting in factory housings, namely putting the shield in front of the shield just to see if that cuts out some more of the ambient light and the painting/taping of the upper reflectors
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i really hope you are not referring to Four on the floor and steve05 as trolls. if you are, then shame on you. seriously.

these guys and myself are extremely knowledgeable about HID lighting. we have done extensive research and even done some incredible retrofitting of our own cars.

sorrowfulkillers idea is stupid. i am just throwing that out there. there is no way to create a cutoff shield for a S*** HID kit to look better in a stock halogen housing. it doesnt work that way.

OEM d2r bulbs do have a special coating on the side, to prevent some glare. but what most of yo fail to understand is that a D2r bulb is to be put into a reflector housing that is made specifically with focal points designed for that type of bulb.

there is no way to "massage" your stock halogen reflectors to make a nice light output. dont waste your time with this. i know it may be fun to try to polish a turd and make a nice product here, but doing so is dangerous to yourself and to other drivers. those pics you posted show some terrible light.

also, aiming your HIDs at the ground is a horrible idea. the DOT made specific aiming instructions for a reason. when you aim your lights down at the ground, especially with brighter (and in your case bluer) HIDs, you fall into the group of people whos eyes are tricked into thinking you are seeing more. what you dont know is that you are effectively reducing your driving time between where your lights can see, and the front of your car.

at 60 mph, you may be able to see 4 seconds ahead of your car with the stock aiming. when aiming down you may only be able to see 3 or less seconds of road in front of you. that is effing dangerous dude.

so please. all of you HID kit and crappy lighting fanatics.. please, dont post unless you actually know something that is helpful. spend some time doing proper research before you post. go learn how to do a retrofit if you want to improve your lights.

sorrowful, i do commend you in trying to create a better product from HID kits. its just not going to happen that easily.
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sorrowful, i do commend you in trying to create a better product from HID kits. its just not going to happen that easily.
Thanks, I will eventually do a proper retrofit, as I've said before I just don't have the funds right now. I just tried this as more of a what the hell may as well see if it can help. and I know that the lighting right now is pretty bad compared to a retrofit, but I'm still trying to combat that a bit and think I can take out some more glare still.

After I get coilovers and my 18g I'll then work on retrofitting my headlights. but for now... they stay in halogen housings
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Dont give up!! I honestly didn't think the shield would work either, but I wonder if you look into what the reflector optics are for/from an 04/05 STi, you may be able to better retrofit an actual HID reflector inner housing, rather than a shield that will just throw the light even worse.

I bet you can figure something out if you're poking around in there... see if you cant plug the 04/05 STi reflection housing into your bugeye lamps.

Has this idea been tried before!?
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Dont give up!! I honestly didn't think the shield would work either, but I wonder if you look into what the reflector optics are for/from an 04/05 STi, you may be able to better retrofit an actual HID reflector inner housing, rather than a shield that will just throw the light even worse.

I bet you can figure something out if you're poking around in there... see if you cant plug the 04/05 STi reflection housing into your bugeye lamps.

Has this idea been tried before!?
by the time you do all this, you have spent enough time and money on a retrofit.

you can get frosted lens fx35 projectors for as little as 60 bucks on ebay. sure they are frosted lenses, but i have seen a thread that explains how to actually polish the frosted part out to make your own clear lenses.

it took me 4 days to do an fx35 retro. i cant imagine how long it would take to gut out 04/05 stis and put them into bugeye housings. not worth it IMO
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Dont give up!! I honestly didn't think the shield would work either, but I wonder if you look into what the reflector optics are for/from an 04/05 STi, you may be able to better retrofit an actual HID reflector inner housing, rather than a shield that will just throw the light even worse.

I bet you can figure something out if you're poking around in there... see if you cant plug the 04/05 STi reflection housing into your bugeye lamps.

Has this idea been tried before!?
I'm still trying a couple more ideas with the shields, and possibly putting some tape over the uppper reflectors and test fitting them with the lights to see if it will get rid of a lot of the glare.
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