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Old 11-04-2008, 12:37 PM   #1
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I don't think I will last in the snow with these stockers. I don't have money for winter tires
Any pros and cons?
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:40 PM   #2
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Besides having to take them off when there is no snow on the road, no. You might want to check local law though.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:42 PM   #3
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Are you serious? The car is awd, you would have to be a complete idiot to not be able to drive in the snow in your car.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:42 PM   #4
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seriously, i just put these on a corolla the other day when we went up the canyon. they are such a PITA its not even funny. His kept popping off or unhooking and stuff. The car made it but i made it up no issues. I wouldn't worry about it to much, just be safe and smart. Try driving in a little snow and see how you do.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:43 PM   #5
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:44 PM   #6
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Well coming from a 4WD Montero and a 4WD FJ, a little AWD hatchback gets me worried a little. I guess we'll see then!
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:54 PM   #7
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It really wont be that bad.....I actually prefer rwd in the snow more than anything...more predictable.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:57 PM   #8
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It really wont be that bad.....I actually prefer rwd in the snow more than anything...more predictable.


Yeah more predictable loss of control
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:18 PM   #9
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Oh come on! Tons of people drive 2WD cars with no chains or snow tires, and you're saying your AWD hatch won't be able to make it?
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:50 PM   #10
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Hold on - are you in NYC? Pretty sure chains are not needed or legal. All-seasons should suffice, given that we got all of 3" of snowfall last winter. . .

Do you drive north a lot?
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:59 PM   #11
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Here's a tip: you'll have more control and a better experience driving in the snow backward =P
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:50 PM   #12
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It really wont be that bad.....I actually prefer rwd in the snow more than anything...more predictable.


Doing what?? Spinning in endless circles??
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:48 PM   #13
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Doing what?? Spinning in endless circles??
Newbs...maybe I should have been more specific...I would rather have my 84 Thunderbird with studded snows and 600lbs in the back than a front wheel drive car any day
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:03 PM   #14
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anything that might not scratch my rims??? i cant afford my chains to scratch and devastate my precious wheels
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:54 PM   #15
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I'll vouch that AWD or not, if your tires are grip-less in snow, you can get in trouble quick. My Z-rated tires -sucked- in snow.
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Old 11-05-2008, 10:51 AM   #16
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anything that might not scratch my rims??? i cant afford my chains to scratch and devastate my precious wheels
you live in scic...why would you need chains?
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:50 AM   #17
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you live in scic...why would you need chains?
california has the most ridiculous chain control laws in the mountains... chains may be required in the worst conditions, even on awd/4wd cars and trucks. 99.9%, all seasons + AWD is legal. even w/ awd, they'll make you carry snow chains.

with that said, ive used stock RE92s in the snow for 3 winters in all conditions with no issues at all. never had to chain up.
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Old 11-08-2008, 06:06 PM   #18
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Living in NYC, I wouldn't worry much. How many miles do you have on your stockers already? I see you have an 08. It won't be bad. Just drive smart. Chains is way way way way overkill. It's not like you're trying to drive through Utah or Tahoe in a blizzard.
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Old 11-08-2008, 06:30 PM   #19
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Are you serious? The car is awd, you would have to be a complete idiot to not be able to drive in the snow in your car.
AWD doesn't help you stop which is the main purpose of winter tires. In fact an AWD with all-seasons may be more dangerous than a 2WD with all-seasons in winter because of the false sense of security it gives the driver. People in 2WD cars know immediately how slippery it is. People in AWD cars don't realize how slippery it is until they try to stop.

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Hold on - are you in NYC? Pretty sure chains are not needed or legal. All-seasons should suffice, given that we got all of 3" of snowfall last winter. . .

Do you drive north a lot?
I live in Canada and I've never ever seen anyone using chains, ever. I don't even think they are legal up here. Ten years ago 90% of people got by in the winter with all-seasons. In the last ten years there has been a big push, both by manufactures and by governments to get people to use winter tires. Now about 30 or 40% of people use them. In the long run its not that much more expensive than using all-seasons other than the cost of a second set of rims (or switching tires on the same rims twice a year). Your summer tires will last twice as long.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:53 PM   #20
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california has the most ridiculous chain control laws in the mountains... chains may be required in the worst conditions, even on awd/4wd cars and trucks. 99.9%, all seasons + AWD is legal. even w/ awd, they'll make you carry snow chains.

with that said, ive used stock RE92s in the snow for 3 winters in all conditions with no issues at all. never had to chain up.

would anyone know what brand of snow chain would be good and not to expensive. Also that would not scratch up the rims...any help would be appreicated..thanks
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Old 11-09-2008, 10:11 PM   #21
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Are you serious? The car is awd, you would have to be a complete idiot to not be able to drive in the snow in your car.
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It really wont be that bad.....I actually prefer rwd in the snow more than anything...more predictable.
This "advice" is going to get someone killed.

Getting going is easy. Its the stopping thats always hard.

Ive done:

-AWD with A/S Tires in Snow-Not BAD, but definitely not good
-Same car in Ice-No. Just no.
-4WD (Locked Center, LSD Front and Rear) with A/T Tires in Snow-Did pretty Well
-Same truck in Ice-Hell. The. F. No.
-AWD with UHP Summers (Rt615s) in Snow-NO! See my RWD on RT615 review below.
-Same car in Ice-Russian Roulette might be safer.
-FWD on Blizzaks on Snow and Ice-Very confortable. Easily controlled.
-AWD on Blizzaks on SNow and Ice-Love it.
-RWD on Blizzaks on Snow and Ice-Very fun. Requires more attention than the above 2 scenarios, but better than the AWD on A/S
-RWD w/ LSD on RT615s in SNow/Ice-Took me 8 hours to drive 20 miles. Getting going wasnt too bad. Turning and stopping almost killed me. Multiple times. Never. Again.

Moral? How many or which wheels get driven matters a LOT less than what kind of rubber is on those wheels. The AWD>All mentallity has and will continue to kill people.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:25 PM   #22
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I don't think I will last in the snow with these stockers. I don't have money for winter tires
Any pros and cons?
What do you have for tires?

NYC only gets about 26" of snow per season (compared to 108" in Syracuse), so shelling out for snows would be hard to justify. But summer tires really suck in snow and ice, even with AWD.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:45 PM   #23
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Don't buy chains. You will wind up paying almost as much for chains as you will for a cheap set of snow tires. They will probably scratch your wheels if you have to either run very long with them on, run at speeds over about 25mph, or have to put them on/take them off frequently. Chains are a PITA to put on and remove, and if you throw one it may beat the heck out of your car, either the fender, or (actually more likely) tear your CV boot. Either way, it will ruin your entire day, especially if you cannot afford snow tires.
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