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Old 11-10-2008, 11:37 PM   #51
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Next step for me is the Full-Race 40r... Geoff is selling these turbos and wanted to get some real world test data and here it is... It's a great turbo for the stock location!
Stock location 40R? Surely you jest...
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Old 11-11-2008, 09:13 AM   #52
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Stock location 40R? Surely you jest...
Who said anything about stock location...?

The great feature of the Full-Race manifold is you'll never need to buy another manifold once you make the investment - when I go with the 40r it's just a replacement of the up-pipe...
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:09 PM   #53
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yeah replacement of an 1100.00 up-pipe.
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:21 PM   #54
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yeah replacement of an 1100.00 up-pipe.
That's a deal for what you're getting, IMO...

I spent almost 7k on a short block so I'm certainly not the frugal minded person, I want the best performance and I like to only buy things once...

I went through 4 APS crap cracked headers, I could have just bought the Full-Race setup and had money left over...

Thank God Full-Race is making Subi parts
  • Thick wall Stainless Steel Construction
  • Precision robotic TIG welding
  • True Twinscroll design
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:51 PM   #55
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Let us know how it works out when you go to the Full-race manny. I would be VERY impressed if I saw an increase in your high RPM ve.
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:37 PM   #56
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I'm not saying its not a nice piece and I am definitely not frugal it just seems a little on the high side and I have held an hpc coated one in my hands and OMG it was heavy.Also I do not believe they will sell the manifold seperate from their kit anymore because SWOOP G tried to buy just the mani + up-pipe and they told him they wouldn't.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:05 PM   #57
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I'm not saying its not a nice piece and I am definitely not frugal it just seems a little on the high side and I have held an hpc coated one in my hands and OMG it was heavy.Also I do not believe they will sell the manifold seperate from their kit anymore because SWOOP G tried to buy just the mani + up-pipe and they told him they wouldn't.
The Full-Race manifold is the same for the 1.5 scroll and twin scroll up-pipe... I've had several discussions with Geoff and it's not a problem to upgrade from a 1.5 scroll to a twin scroll up-pipe...

Thick wall stainless isn't a light weight material - factor in the dual up-pipes and dual wastegate pipes and it's going to be heavy compared to a lesser product. The up side is it'll last forever and it performs better than anything I've seen on the market...
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Old 11-11-2008, 07:41 PM   #58
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Old 11-12-2008, 04:50 AM   #59
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Who said anything about stock location...?
You did - see what I quoted? But I see now what you really meant.

How long do you plan to run this 3076 setup? Like I said earlier, I'm really curious if there are any issues with heat from the EWG. It's hard to tell from the pics how much of an issue that will be with your car but on my Legacy there's a bunch of wiring around where the EWG sits, it makes me a little nervous. I really like the idea of using a regular UP though.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:19 AM   #60
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Very nice, I have an Axis block also, shipped all the way to Australia by Ron.

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Old 11-12-2008, 09:24 AM   #61
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You did - see what I quoted? But I see now what you really meant.

How long do you plan to run this 3076 setup? Like I said earlier, I'm really curious if there are any issues with heat from the EWG. It's hard to tell from the pics how much of an issue that will be with your car but on my Legacy there's a bunch of wiring around where the EWG sits, it makes me a little nervous. I really like the idea of using a regular UP though.
There's only one Full-Race 40r for the Subi and it's a twin scroll... I'm also not running a 3076 setup; did you even read the first post in this thread? It's an ATP 35r turbo on a Full-Race 1.5 scroll... I'm giving up on you

The wire harness is pretty far away from the EWG and it's a not issue... Hill took a preventive measure and placed some heat wrap on the harness but it's not even hot to the touch after running the car hard... The wire harnesses secured directly to the top of the motor are a lot hotter and obviously that hasn't been an issue for decades...
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:29 AM   #62
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Here are some of the pictures I took during the assembly, which show the Full Race manifold.






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Old 11-12-2008, 11:12 AM   #63
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which head gskts did Ron recommend to use with the o-ringed block and how thick of o-ring did he use.
I talked to Ron today and confirm the specs, Cometic 40 thousandths head gasket and the O-ring is 12 thousandths but only 4-5 thousandths sticks out of the block...
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:12 PM   #64
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thanks for the info I really appreciate it but I won't have any pics right away --I am just going to take my time I have all winter and it takes a little while to have the machine work done that I want done before I reset up my clearances and assemble but I will post pics as I can.
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Old 11-13-2008, 09:33 AM   #65
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thanks for the info I really appreciate it but I won't have any pics right away --I am just going to take my time I have all winter and it takes a little while to have the machine work done that I want done before I reset up my clearances and assemble but I will post pics as I can.
Good luck with the build and let me know if I can answer any other questions for you...
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Old 11-13-2008, 06:31 PM   #66
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thanks,actually I have built quite a few sti motors that have made well over 500whp.This is just the first sleeved motor I am going to build and it is for my personal car--the 04 sti that went 10.92 on pump/no meth about a month ago.
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:18 PM   #67
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PPhilthy, we need videos and videos and videos!
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:33 PM   #68
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PPhilthy, we need videos and videos and videos!
Yes I know... just need it to stop raining already
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Old 11-17-2008, 10:16 AM   #69
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I received a few questions about 'lag' on this setup - Check out the below dyno comparisson between a bone stock STI and my setup, both on Hill's dyno...

The 10-20hp/tr difference under 3750rpms is not distinquishnable by my 'butt dyno, but the kick after 3750rpms is priceless... The Full-Race manifold and 1.5 scroll up-pipe performance is awesome!

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That is just a beautiful power curve. Makes me want to cry!!!
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:16 PM   #71
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I received a few questions about 'lag' on this setup - Check out the below dyno comparisson between a bone stock STI and my setup, both on Hill's dyno...

The 10-20hp/tr difference under 3750rpms is not distinquishnable by my 'butt dyno, but the kick after 3750rpms is priceless... The Full-Race manifold and 1.5 scroll up-pipe performance is awesome!


I in no way wish to take away from the awesomeness of your car, but:

Compare a stage2 sti with your car, you will find a significant difference in power below 4200 rpms.
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:40 PM   #72
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I in no way wish to take away from the awesomeness of your car, but:

Compare a stage2 sti with your car, you will find a significant difference in power below 4200 rpms.
Believe me, I don't mind at all... Go ahead and post a comparison... I've gone threw all of the stages and steps and know first hand what can be accomplished - stage 2 is big low hit and then it falls flat on it's face...

Frankly anything below 4000rpms is pretty meaningless when it comes to performance driving (street, autocross, road or drag)...
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Believe me, I don't mind at all... Go ahead and post a comparison... I've gone threw all of the stages and steps and know first hand what can be accomplished - stage 2 is big low hit and then it falls flat on it's face...

Frankly anything below 4000rpms is pretty meaningless when it comes to performance driving (street, autocross, road or drag)...
To each there own, nothing wrong with what you have. I care about 2500-3500 torque when I am not doing 9/10s driving on the street. A lot of people do, some don't.

But you can't really compare a stock tuned (de-tuned really) STI turbo vs a tuned GT35. Comparing tuned vs tuned is more fair.
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To each there own, nothing wrong with what you have. I care about 2500-3500 torque when I am not doing 9/10s driving on the street. A lot of people do, some don't.

But you can't really compare a stock tuned (de-tuned really) STI turbo vs a tuned GT35. Comparing tuned vs tuned is more fair.
I don't even cruise down the highway at 2500rpms, but to each their own you're right...

It's a great comparison and you should take it a face value - like I said if you want to compare it to stage 1, 2, 3, or 15 - go right ahead... but don't tell me what I can't and can do
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It seems everyone without a GT35R set up wants to compare their cars to ours. They just don't seem to understand that the power is there as soon as you want it as long as you know how to shift into the right gear. The only small point where they think they have more is from 2500-3500, and so what, other than daily cruising, or when I see police, I am never at a point where I am putzing along at that low of an RPM. It just takes one ride in a real big turbo car to never want to be satisfied with a small turbo again. People go for a ride in my car, and don't even want to drive home in their cars anymore.

Here is another dyno chart for the VF43 powah to compare to. Sure, you think you can keep up, but then you wake up. BTW, this was the VP C16 tunes on my car comparing the difference between the SPT muffler (in red), and the only change was the Turbo XS RFL (in blue) axle back.
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