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Old 11-08-2008, 05:08 PM   #1
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Ok, I just got 16x6.5" WRX wheels for my L. Keep in mind I have a 140HP and not 200+ like WRXs. I drive 40-60 MPH sprinted on backroads in the summer/fall... that's about the max I push them too.

I live in Pittsburgh where it snows about 3-4 months out of the year. Most of the time we only have about two major snowfalls and mainly just light snow during those months.

I'm going with 205/55/16 probably.

I'm thinking about Kumho Ecsta ASX or the ContiExtremeContacts.

After reading tons and tons of reviews... the Kuhmos work good in the dry and wet, but are not good in the winter so much. They will get you around, but not good.

The Conti's on the other hand do very well for an all season in the winter, but are not great in the dry. The sidewalls are soft and people say this is cured by running them at 40+ PSI. The more aggressive tread leads to decreased gas mileage too from rolling resistance.

Hmmmmmm. So what should I get? Any others I should look more into? I've looked at Fuzion HRIs and some others too. Ultimately, Pirelli PZero M+S are probably the best, but are $120 compared to around $70-80 of the ones listed above.

My price range is $70-90 each.

Please help out, I've done a ton of reseach on these.
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Old 11-08-2008, 07:19 PM   #2
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The Ecsta ASX suck in the snow.
I have the extremecontacts on my daily and I like them so far. Not a high performance tire, but fine for commuting. Very good in the wet and cold pavement. I havent had a chance to test in the snow but they got great reviews.
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Old 11-08-2008, 08:53 PM   #3
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Continentals, hands down. I'm not that far from you in Maryland and I use them on my TS. I do have a set of snow tires, but haven't used them the last two winters.

Keep an eye on air pressure and alignment. Any type of wear problems cause the tires to get really loud. No treadwear warranty on them, but I've managed to get 30-35k miles out of a set.

I call bs on the gas mileage too. I manage a very consistent 27mpg in my TS with a moderately heavy foot.
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Old 11-08-2008, 09:56 PM   #4
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I am in this same dilemma. I am leaning towards Falken 912s. I had a set of the 512s, which lasted me about 25k counting a few autocrosses. They didn't perform in the extreme cold or hot, but they were good in between. However I've read the 912s are much better, and quieter than the older 512s. Plus they are only $77.
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Old 11-08-2008, 10:50 PM   #5
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I have actually considered the 512s... then learned they were replaced by the 912s.

Basically, the Kuhmos are more summer oriented, but can get you around decently in winter. The ContiExtremes are better in the snow, but have less grip in the dry. I did read the Falken 512s were not great in the snow either, probably more along the lines of the Kuhmo.
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Old 11-08-2008, 11:05 PM   #6
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I have actually considered the 512s... then learned they were replaced by the 912s.

Basically, the Kuhmos are more summer oriented, but can get you around decently in winter. The ContiExtremes are better in the snow, but have less grip in the dry. I did read the Falken 512s were not great in the snow either, probably more along the lines of the Kuhmo.
My 512s were no problem in light snow, in fact took menacing to get loose.

If you look at the survey results on tirerack, the Kuhmo's are in 11th place on the UHP A/S list. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/survey...ireSearch=true Very uninspiring if you ask me, but they are cheaper. On the other hand, the BFG g-Force Super Sport A/S are only $86 and rank #3 on that list.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:12 AM   #7
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I have been in your position before. In fact, I even owned the Pirelli PZero Nero M+S (and yes they were good). Finally, someone convinced me to make the switch to cheap summer tires and cheap winter tires. The two sets of tires together cost me the same as the Neros. So it costs me half as much per mile even if they don't last any longer. However, they've lasted 2x as long, so my real cost per mile is 1/4 that of the Neros. Even more important, the performance of the summer tires in the summer and the winter tires in the winter is far, far beyond what any of the all-season tires I tried ever gave me.

I held out for a long time, refusing to believe it was worth the PITA of running two sets of tires. However, I will never, ever go back to all seasons. It's just that much better.
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Old 11-09-2008, 01:54 AM   #8
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When I bought my car; there were very used ContiExtreme's on it. I didn't like them at all; primarily because the sidewalls were like dough...

Replaced them with BFGoodrich's G Force Super Sport A/S and have been impressed so far in the dry and wet. No snow testing yet.

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Old 11-09-2008, 10:24 AM   #9
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Last night I found the BFGoodrich's G Force Super Sport's (I think someone above mentioned them) and they actually had slightly better reviews than the ContiExtreme's. They are about $5 more or something too, which is fine.
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