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Old 11-16-2008, 12:04 AM   #76
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So what exactly are you trying to say? That the harman intake isnt running safe or just all intakes wont run safe? I am mainly interested in the aem
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:07 AM   #77
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My Stg 2 results... Just got home from HB Speed

276 whp and 310wtq on Cali 91

catted harman dp
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Harman CAI

Jon said that the tmic is what is really holding the car back from being on par with sti numbers

Could be, I know with the Perrin OTS Stage 1 map I am running, I dyno'd at ~269whp and ~287wtq with 93 octane.

Either way, the WRX is a great car again. Even in the early years the WRX was pretty much on part with the STI when it came to power.
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:19 AM   #78
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YAY !! 09 wrx ftw !
Nice numbers, those yours? If so, what mods??
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:29 AM   #79
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YEP
It was "suppose" to not throw off the afr

Hey atleast it sounds good?

Now im just waiting on the hb speed license plate covers.

Car runs awsome btw Jon

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Old 11-16-2008, 04:50 AM   #80
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90% of intakes = bad without a tune..
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:15 AM   #81
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YAY !! 09 wrx ftw !

Jon,
what do you think that vf52 on an 05 LGT?
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Old 11-16-2008, 10:56 PM   #82
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what do you think that vf52 on an 05 LGT?
It seems that a VF52 would work well on a legacy GT for about 300 whp, at a fraction of the cost of a POS AVO 380 and spool faster!
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:00 PM   #83
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that's why I ordered one. Thanks.
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:07 PM   #84
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Apparently AEM is saying thier's is supposed to be fine without a tune, buuuuttt I doubt it. On the OS side, they are creating tunes for K & N and AEM CAI.

Paid $24,900 for mine. SPT exhaust and rear bumper protector. Dealer didn't even know they had the car.

I wonder if an STI TMIC off the 07+ would fit on our cars.
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Old 11-16-2008, 11:30 PM   #85
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I wonder if an STI TMIC off the 07+ would fit on our cars.
Not even close to the same intercooler. So the answer is no.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:59 AM   #86
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Apparently AEM is saying thier's is supposed to be fine without a tune, buuuuttt I doubt it. On the OS side, they are creating tunes for K & N and AEM CAI.

Paid $24,900 for mine. SPT exhaust and rear bumper protector. Dealer didn't even know they had the car.

I wonder if an STI TMIC off the 07+ would fit on our cars.
who is making tunes for the k&n and aem intakes?
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:00 AM   #87
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I just installed a Perrin top mount on mine ( the05+ Legacy GT one), and a tune for it will follow shortly. Then a separate tune for the K&N drop in filter(a change has been noted).

Future tunes may include the addition of one range colder plugs, and then a Cobb catback

These tunes are going in an order, to show the difference of the additions, and to have Surgeline Tuning maps available for all bolt on applications for the stock turbo.

Surgeline is also looking for other 09 WRX's to use for info.

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Old 11-17-2008, 12:53 PM   #88
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It seems that a VF52 would work well on a legacy GT for about 300 whp, at a fraction of the cost of a POS AVO 380 and spool faster!

You just made a bunch of members cry over at LGT.com
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:45 PM   #89
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I am really curious what the perrin tmic will add...

Does the larger tmic only allow higher boost which in turns equals to more power?

Also anyone else have any other ideas for basic bolt ons which would go well with a tmic before a tune? For me this is going to be next year but just wondering...
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Old 11-17-2008, 01:54 PM   #90
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I am really curious what the perrin tmic will add...

Does the larger tmic only allow higher boost which in turns equals to more power?

Also anyone else have any other ideas for basic bolt ons which would go well with a tmic before a tune? For me this is going to be next year but just wondering...
Turbo inlet hose. Not cheap, though.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:04 PM   #91
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:14 PM   #92
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I did the perrin inlet on my 06... Really dont want to deal with that again... ugh

Perhaps step colder plugs
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Old 11-17-2008, 04:50 PM   #93
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Wow - impressive numbers... wonder if any ecu issues will arise as with the 08 -09 STI's..?
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Old 11-17-2008, 08:13 PM   #94
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What issue concerning the 09 STI are you speaking of?
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:09 AM   #95
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It seems that a VF52 would work well on a legacy GT for about 300 whp, at a fraction of the cost of a POS AVO 380 and spool faster!
Thought you liked the AVO turbos Jon, at least you used.


"NOW for the avo.............

I like this turbo on an automatic quite a bit
this car had 850cc inj and avo pump AVO V1 tmic ( i believe)
and a stock airbox...

i have to say this turbo is quite efficient
i only tuned to 17.5 psi because thats what the owner wanted

Some things i noticed:

I could run leaner than the 18g by .5 afr
i could run more timing than the 18g
and it DIDNT creep on the road

i saw 4.84V on the maf on the stock box on the HWY @16.5 psi
330 g/sec of airflow. I saw loads in the 3.61 area as well and over 3 @ redline
also the INJ DC% was 70% :-p

Last but not least the car HAULED ASS

IMHO this is a SICK turbo for an auto LGT WITH FUEL
or stock fuel with a pump @ least "
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Thought you liked the AVO turbos Jon, at least you used.


"NOW for the avo.............

I like this turbo on an automatic quite a bit
this car had 850cc inj and avo pump AVO V1 tmic ( i believe)
and a stock airbox...

i have to say this turbo is quite efficient
i only tuned to 17.5 psi because thats what the owner wanted

Some things i noticed:

I could run leaner than the 18g by .5 afr
i could run more timing than the 18g
and it DIDNT creep on the road

i saw 4.84V on the maf on the stock box on the HWY @16.5 psi
330 g/sec of airflow. I saw loads in the 3.61 area as well and over 3 @ redline
also the INJ DC% was 70% :-p

Last but not least the car HAULED ASS

IMHO this is a SICK turbo for an auto LGT WITH FUEL
or stock fuel with a pump @ least "
He posted that thread on 11/22/06. Two years ago. Maybe his experiences with the turbo since then have changed his mind.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:21 AM   #97
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^obviously that is true could be true about ANYTHING

Here is Ralliteks and surgeline results with the 380 vs vf52, just an fyi


http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...ight=avo+stage
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Imo, the intake is fine as I ran one w/o a tune as well as my friend and our cars run great...

As far as the tmic goes.. I would spend the money on a dp instead. But really.

I wouldnt run the dp w/o a tune reason being my car ran pretty horrible up until today
As has been covered in many other threads, not all intakes are created equal. Many will change the AFRs and timing in a significant enough way to warrant a tune. Remember that changing the effective MAF reading changes the measured load, which changes both fueling and timing.

The first purchase made, before any intake, downpipe, or other physical mod should be an AP. Just an AP alone will make more additional power, and even more if you then throw in additional parts.


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Don't bother with the K&N, the stock paper filter works just fine with a stage 2 set up or any set up that does not max out the stock MAF voltage.
Funny enough, I was on the dyno with Tim, and I bet that adding the K&N panel filter to Mike's 09 WRX would make no difference. Tim bet that it would. I popped it in, and sure enough, we were off by about .4AFRs (leaner). After pushing things a bit, the turbo was able to hold slightly higher boost at redline. I was surprised.

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So what exactly are you trying to say? That the harman intake isnt running safe or just all intakes wont run safe? I am mainly interested in the aem
I have tuned a few of the new AEM intakes, and they leaned the car our significantly. I liked the layout of the AEM one, but you have to couple that with a tune.

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Here is Ralliteks and surgeline results with the 380 vs vf52, just an fyi
http://legacygt.com/forums/showthrea...ight=avo+stage
The AVO is a bigger turbo. It spools later, and makes more power uptop. This VF52 is still a great upgrade, especially when you consider how it compares against the TD04. If you want more high end power, the AVO works better.

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Old 11-20-2008, 12:41 PM   #99
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As has been covered in many other threads, not all intakes are created equal. Many will change the AFRs and timing in a significant enough way to warrant a tune. Remember that changing the effective MAF reading changes the measured load, which changes both fueling and timing.

The first purchase made, before any intake, downpipe, or other physical mod should be an AP. Just an AP alone will make more additional power, and even more if you then throw in additional parts.




Funny enough, I was on the dyno with Tim, and I bet that adding the K&N panel filter to Mike's 09 WRX would make no difference. Tim bet that it would. I popped it in, and sure enough, we were off by about .4AFRs. After pushing things a bit, the turbo was able to hold slightly higher boost at redline. I was surprised.



I have tuned a few of the new AEM intakes, and they leaned the car our significantly. I liked the layout of the AEM one, but you have to couple that with a tune.



The AVO is a bigger turbo. It spools later, and makes more power uptop. This VF52 is still a great upgrade, especially when you consider how it compares against the TD04. If you want more high end power, the AVO works better.

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.4 points leaner or richer?
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.4 points leaner or richer?

My mistake for not mentioning the direction. .4 AFRs leaner.

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