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Old 11-18-2008, 01:31 PM   #1
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Mazda has released a few more details on its all-new Mazda3 Sedan that will break cover at the at the 2008 Los Angeles Auto Show on November 19. When the four-door subcompact sedan goes on sale in the States in early 2009 it will be offered with a new 2.5-liter 4-cylinder engine producing 167HP that will replace the current model's 156HP 2.3-liter unit. The entry-level version of the '3' will carry over its 148HP 2.0-liter four cylinder engine.


The Japanese firm also said that the sedan will boast "a class-leading 0.29 coefficient of drag" and will be available with an array of features (standard or optional) including self leveling Bi-Xenon headlights and a multi-function display with audio settings, trip computer and navigation information.






According to Carscoop sources, the 5-door hatchback variant of the new Mazda3 will be unveiled at the Bologna Motorshow in Italy city on December 3. The Mazda3 hatchback will go on sale worldwide along with the sedan in early 2009.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:34 PM   #2
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Bummer, I was hoping the new 2.5 would get a little more juice.

The 3's engine line up seems strange to me (and always has):
The small 2.0L engine produces 148hp
The "big" 2.5L engine makes a wopping 19hp more (big woop-dee-doo)
The "sport" motor (Mazdaspeed) makes 265hp (wtf)

I'd like to see the 2.5L engine make about 190hp to help jutify getting the larger engine since fuel efficiency is still paramount in the current market and buyers are predisposed to buying the smaller-engined choice when it comes to passanger cars. Plus, 190hp would go a long way towards bridging the gap between the 2.0L and the Mazdaspeed to better round-out the model lineup.

Just my $0.02
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:38 PM   #3
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that first picture better be the usdm version. when first pics of the new 6 were released they were only the jdm/edm version and people thought they looked sooooo good until the usdm pics were released.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:38 PM   #4
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Impreza 2.5i motor : 170 hp/170 tq , 23 mpg , 3050lbs, no DSI, 5MT/4EAT trans
2010 Mazda3 2.5 motor : ~170hp/167tq ~ 24 mpg ~ 3100lbs, DSI, ~ 6MT/5EAT trans

Looks like respectable numbers from Mazda when compared to our 2.5L motor. Gonna complain that Subie didn't give the non turbo 2.5L motor 200hp also?? How about those transmission options?

If I was going to buy a FWD car, it would be the Mazda3 in a heartbeat. Luckily I luv having a turbo & awd, but I'm not afraid to give credit where credit is due.
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Old 11-18-2008, 03:47 PM   #5
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Impreza 2.5i motor : 170 hp/170 tq , 23 mpg , 3075lbs, no DSI, 5MT/4EAT trans
2010 Mazda3 2.5 motor : ~170hp/167tq ~ 25.5 mpg ~ 2960lbs, no DSI, ~ 6MT/5EAT trans
Now with more accuracy!!

**EDIT** Actually, I can't be truely accurate till tomorrow when Mazda does the full unveiling. I'd wager my numbers are pretty close though. Oh, and I'm certain there is no DSI in the 2010 3 (except possibly the mazdaspeed)

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Old 11-18-2008, 05:03 PM   #6
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^You are forgetting AWD.

But that is 2009 vs 2010. Lets just wait till 2010 vs 2010, I have a feeling the Mazda's specs will look old fashion in comparison.
Are we not expecting 200hp 30mpg+ and CVT? Not to mention a refresh on the styling.

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Old 11-18-2008, 06:10 PM   #7
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^You are forgetting AWD.

But that is 2009 vs 2010. Lets just wait till 2010 vs 2010, I have a feeling the Mazda's specs will look old fashion in comparison.
Are we not expecting 200hp 30mpg+ and CVT? Not to mention a refresh on the styling.
Are you being serious? (you've jambed my sarcasm detector) I love Subarus and expect good things in the upcoming models/updates but I think your expectations may be too high. I don't think 200hp+AWD+30mpg is possible. (unless maybe some kind of hybrid but I don't see that as a realistic possibility either)

As far as the Mazda's specs seeming "old fashioned," the original post was incomplete. Here is a few of the highlight features/options:

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Highlights of the 2010 MAZDA3 sedan include, either as standard or optional:
Available new 167 horsepower MZR 2.5L engine
Self leveling Bi-Xenon headlights
Adaptive Front Lighting System
Mazda's advanced keyless entry and push-button start
Hands-free Bluetooth
cell phone and audio player integration
Class-leading levels of reduced wind and road noise
Class-leading aerodynamics - 0.29 coefficient of drag
A strategically placed Multi-Information Display (MID) that displays important driver information such as audio settings, trip computer and navigation
Power driver seat with memory
10 speaker BOSE Centerpoint surround-sound audio system

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Old 11-18-2008, 07:44 PM   #8
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Now with more accuracy!!

**EDIT** Actually, I can't be truely accurate till tomorrow when Mazda does the full unveiling. I'd wager my numbers are pretty close though. Oh, and I'm certain there is no DSI in the 2010 3 (except possibly the mazdaspeed)
Double checked, no DSI on the Mazda 2.5L MZR motor...so I'll claim my mulligan.

We're both guessing at stats for the 2010 model. Of which I put at heavier curb weight since the car is growing in size, and rounded down 0.5mpg on the fuel economy because I did the same on the Impreza 2.5L . Mazda was publicly saying they didnt want the newer models to gain weight, but its hard to gain size on a multi model chassis, & not put on weight :

2009 Mazda 6 V6 6EAT : ~3550lbs
2008 Mazda 6 V6 6EAT : ~3380lbs

So take that difference, knock off 25% for the different size of the Mazda6 Vs. the Mazda3, and you get a weight gain of ~100-125lbs. putting the 2010 Mazda3 at over 3,000lbs.
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Old 11-18-2008, 08:41 PM   #9
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Wow, I didn't realize the US Mazda6 gained so much weight. I remember reading that the 09 Euro-spec model was within 5lbs of the outgoing model. Maybe the US-only V6 is significantly heavier than the engine it replaced?

You definitely know you're specs and make a strong argument Lboogie. I'm still holding out hope for my numbers though because it almost seems like the 6 and 3 were designed by different teams. I know that the 2010 Mazda3 was the first vehicie designed with their new styling theme from the ground up. Also, there are features/options included on the new 3 that arn't even available for the 6 (unless they significantly update the 6 for the 2010 model year) like adaptive headlights and Ipod integration.

We'll finally know for sure soon enough. I can't wait for tomorrow's unveiling and I'm hoping for lots of details. (not just a vague press-pack)

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Old 11-18-2008, 09:01 PM   #10
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The USDM Mazda 6 is completely different from the euro model. Think of it like the JDM Accord (TSX) and USDM Accord. US has big (fat) people so they want bigger cars. Biggest complaint about the old 6 was its size.
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:28 PM   #11
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The USDM Mazda 6 is completely different from the euro model. Think of it like the JDM Accord (TSX) and USDM Accord. US has big (fat) people so they want bigger cars. Biggest complaint about the old 6 was its size.
[cough] US-Spec WRX seats [/cough]
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:24 PM   #12
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Double checked, no DSI on the Mazda 2.5L MZR motor...so I'll claim my mulligan.

We're both guessing at stats for the 2010 model. Of which I put at heavier curb weight since the car is growing in size, and rounded down 0.5mpg on the fuel economy because I did the same on the Impreza 2.5L . Mazda was publicly saying they didnt want the newer models to gain weight, but its hard to gain size on a multi model chassis, & not put on weight :

2009 Mazda 6 V6 6EAT : ~3550lbs
2008 Mazda 6 V6 6EAT : ~3380lbs

So take that difference, knock off 25% for the different size of the Mazda6 Vs. the Mazda3, and you get a weight gain of ~100-125lbs. putting the 2010 Mazda3 at over 3,000lbs.
but mazda has been researching lighter weight materials for a while now. i highly doubt the cars gets any heavier.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:26 PM   #13
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The USDM Mazda 6 is completely different from the euro model. Think of it like the JDM Accord (TSX) and USDM Accord. US has big (fat) people so they want bigger cars. Biggest complaint about the old 6 was its size.
i think the rear of the US 6 looks better. i just wish the bumper front end(bumper and headlights) looked like the jdm car
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:39 PM   #14
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FWIW, the Demio got larger AND lighter...
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:47 PM   #15
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FWIW, the Demio got larger AND lighter...
I might get this: but we need the new Demio here in the US.
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Old 11-18-2008, 10:50 PM   #16
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I might get this: but we need the new Demio here in the US.
Yah, Ford ain't going to let that happen. They're planning on selling something insane like 400,000+ Fiesta's a year in North America.
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:18 PM   #17
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but mazda has been researching lighter weight materials for a while now. i highly doubt the cars gets any heavier.
Motive Mag released a review early!

http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature...0_Mazda3.shtml

According to Motive Mag:

2010 Mazda3i 5sp manual - 90lbs lighter than 09
2010 Mazda3i 5sp auto - 80lbs lighter than 09 (despite gaining a gear)
2010 Mazda3s 6sp manual - ??
2010 Mazda3s 5sp auto - 50lbs heavier than 09 (3025lbs total)
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Yah, Ford ain't going to let that happen. They're planning on selling something insane like 400,000+ Fiesta's a year in North America.
Ford just sold off a bunch of their Mazda stock so instead of a 33% stake they only have a 13% stake. Not sure if that will effect much though.
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[cough] US-Spec WRX seats [/cough]
Indeed. It appears the new Mazda3's seats have better bolstering than the WRX.

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Mazda gave itself a tough act to follow. The original Mazda 3 that launched in 2004 was an exceptional small car that delivered good fuel economy without sacrificing driving dynamics. That first-generation 3 didnít skimp on refinement or interior quality, either. Rich plastics, unique design, and a luxurious array of optional equipment made the 3 a luxury sport sedan in a class full of mundane transportation devices. Now with the launch of the next-generation 3, would Mazda keep these attributes for its replacement?



New Styling

Much to our relief, the sequel to the original 3 maintains what we liked and even manages to improve upon the original. Exterior styling is completely new but various Mazda traits make the sedan immediately recognizable as a Mazda 3. Front-end styling cues borrowed from the Mazda RX-8 modernize the nose and help the new 3 confidently assert itself.


Its flared front fenders and a sweeping character line at the base of the doors are subtle and attractive touches that make the old 3 look dated by comparison. Only the sedan version debuted at the 2008 Los Angeles auto show; a five-door hatchback will be shown at the Bologna auto show in early December.



Interior styling has also been modernized, but the curvaceous new dashboard doesnít go so far as to stray into the realm of the Honda Civicís spaceship console. Two large round gauges housing the tachometer and speedometer remain in front of the driver, with radio and trip computer readouts moving to the top of the dashboard. In models equipped with navigation, a small color screen is nestled in the space formerly occupied by the trip computer. Several Chiclet-size buttons that control vehicle settings, trip computer, stereo, and navigation are confusingly arrayed on the steering-wheel spokes and take some time to learn.



Under the Skin and Behind the Wheel

The C1 architecture carries over from the previous 3 but with a host of upgrades that stiffen the structure without adding weight. Additional bracing for the suspension attachment points and an increase in the use of high-strength steel result in greater strength while avoiding a weight increase.


Mazda claims the body-in-white (bare unibody structure without any mounted body panels) is now 24.2 pounds lighter and, despite increased content, the 3 only weighs a few more pounds than the outgoing model. The new car is essentially the same size as the outgoing model. Wheelbase and width are unchanged and overall length has increased by a couple of inches. The height is down by a few fractions of an inch and interior volume is unchanged over the previous 3, although trunk space has increased.



Connecting the new sheetmetal to the road is the 3ís familiar strut front and multilink rear suspension that has been slightly retuned. Aside from the recalibrated springs and dampers, the chassis is largely unchanged. From behind the wheel, the base 3 i models feel softer and have more body roll than the firmer 3 s model. Steering feel on both remains light, but the light effort gives the 3 a feathery and deft feel.



Harshness and road impacts are effectively filtered out by the chassis and structure before reaching the driver. Although suspension noise is distant and unobtrusive, excessive tire and road noise, as in the previous generation, continues to enter the 3ís cabin. Aside from the drone of road noise, the 3 rolls down the road with a refinement and solidity that escapes most of the cars in the compact class.



Powertrain Options

Buyers will face a choice of two engines: a 2.0-liter four-cylinder with 148 horsepower and 135 lb-ft of torque or the 2.5-liter four-cylinder with 167 hp and 168 lb-ft of torque. The 2.0-liter powers the 3 i trim level and is carried over from the previous generation with only a few minor tweaks to improve fuel economy.



A slick-shifting five-speed manual is standard with the 2.0-liter and a new five-speed automatic is optional. Even mated to the manual, the 2.0-liter doesnít feel particularly strong, but the engine is smooth and fuss free in its operation, never flinching at runs to the 6500 rpm power peak. Fuel economy for the 2.0-liter comes in at 25 mpg city for the manual and 24 city for the automatic, and both transmissions achieve 33 mpg on the EPA highway cycle.



Moving up to the sportier 3 s trim level yields a 2.5-liter four-cylinder shared with the larger Mazda 6 that brings 19 more horsepower and 33 additional lb-ft of torque. The larger engine comes with a six-speed manual; a five-speed automatic is optional.



Equipped with the six-speed the 2.5-liter achieves EPA fuel economy numbers of 21 mpg city and 29 highway; automatic versions get 22 mpg in the city and also 29 on the highway. The additional torque of the 2.5-liter is immediately noticeable and the 3 s certainly feels quicker than the base car, but the 2.5-liter is louder and more coarse than the base engine.



Those with an addiction to speed would be wise to wait for the Mazdaspeed 3, which should be arriving within a year. Those seeking luxury will have to opt for the s trim level which offers a number of luxury-car features including navigation, active bi-xenon headlights, keyless ignition, and an eight-way power seat with memory settings.


Both four-door sedan and five-door hatchback version of the 2010 Mazda 3 will go on sale in March of 2009. Pricing has not yet been announced, but the new car is expected to continue to occupy the $15,000 to $23,000 price range.
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I don't think 200hp+AWD+30mpg is possible.
Really? Well our 06 legacy with 4EAT has 175hp and gets 32mpg on hilly PA highways at 70mph

The new CVT for 2010 legacy gets 10% better fuel economy. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1641483
Subaru will probably be adding the CVT to the 2010 Impreza. That turns my 32 into 35.2mpg. Add DI and you could easily bump the 170-175hp to 200hp while most likely also improving millage. In reality they should be able to get it to 40mpg...I am just saying 30mpg.

Also I have heard of 2008 wrx owners getting 30mpg...that car has a lot more then 200hp.

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Hatch pics?!?!?
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