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Old 11-18-2008, 11:33 PM   #1
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Default Blown Reverse and won't go into 2nd? Please Help!

05 WRX Wagon

Tonight my friend was honking at me to get out of his parking spot under his carport. I put it in reverse and I let the clutch go b/c it was ON GRAVEL, and the wheels spun until I guess I caught traction on packed dirt underneath, then something went real bad.

My tranny makes a nasty broken gear sound in reverse, and it will not enter 2nd at all. Luckily, I got all the other gears to work again.

Are Reverse and 2nd linked in any way?

Does anyone know what is broken and how much it should cost to get it fixed?

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Old 11-19-2008, 12:11 AM   #2
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Yes i believe they are Linked... if not someone correct me. My guess would be you chewed the gear right up. When i had my '02 Wrx i blew my 2nd gear and it cost me $1800 to put a new main shaft in the trans. Just dont drive it, if you hear like broken pieces in the trans they can get caught up in other gears and mess things up.
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:20 AM   #3
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1800 for just a shaft? A whole tranny should cost that much. Seriously.

I drove about 10 miles on it since, and I think that some teeth may be broken off reverse and keeping me from selecting 2nd gear. However, my car makes NO bad noises while driving in 1st 3rd 4th or 5th. I repeat, there are NO bad noises. No whining, whirring, clicking, popping or banging of any sort at any speed. I kind of have to drive it this weekend so I can swap out cars and get repairs done.

Anyone else know what could be wrong?
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Old 11-19-2008, 12:59 AM   #4
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Well i did upgrade and i bought the STi RA Gearset which was... $1200-1400 plus installation and it came to around $1800 as i remember... That was 4 years ago also. Yeah it deff sounds like you nicked up 2nd gear and reverse.
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:07 AM   #5
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Anyone know the price to get this thing back to stock spec parts? Is reverse built into the shafts? I can't tell by pictures.

I really think it is alright to drive since it is absolutely necessary for me to do so this weekend. If anything gets messed up worse, I am almost in worst case-scenario as it stands now anyway...

keep the opinions coming
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:32 AM   #6
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Go to a Trans Shop and ask them. I dont think a stock gearset is much.
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Old 11-19-2008, 01:43 AM   #7
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Go to a Trans Shop and ask them. I dont think a stock gearset is much.
cheaper to buy used

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Old 11-19-2008, 01:57 AM   #8
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is that yours? I just emailed you, haha

thanks for the help, keep it coming guys
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Old 11-19-2008, 02:09 AM   #9
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let me know i can ship it to u?


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is that yours? I just emailed you, haha

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Old 11-19-2008, 02:13 AM   #10
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yeah you can ship it to me if I need to buy it.

I will first have to get it home and see what needs replacing I guess.

Does reverse gear come separate from the main shafts?

this may be all I need, but I have no clue how to know without tearing it apart first.
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Old 11-19-2008, 09:07 AM   #11
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anyone know for sure if second and reverse are linked in any way?
I am pretty sure I just likely jammed up the shifter from entering 2nd gear...

I am still trying to find out if I can buy just a new reverse gear or if the gears are all built into the shafts.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:07 AM   #12
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hey what up? i dont want to scare you, but that trans is gone. not worth to repair it. just buy a low miles one for alot less....




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anyone know for sure if second and reverse are linked in any way?
I am pretty sure I just likely jammed up the shifter from entering 2nd gear...

I am still trying to find out if I can buy just a new reverse gear or if the gears are all built into the shafts.
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:11 AM   #13
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if you have that trans fixed by any repair shop it wont be the same anymore and the label for a job like that is vary costly by the hour.


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hey what up? i dont want to scare you, but that trans is gone. not worth to repair it. just buy a low miles one for alot less....
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Old 11-19-2008, 10:47 AM   #14
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The only ways reverse and second are linked is by the 1-2 hub and slider and they are both piece of the input shaft.

The fact you can still use all the gears except those two makes it sound like you may have broken a tooth or teeth off of reverse and they have dropped down into the selector linkage in the bottom of the case.

Rebuild on something like that is gonna run you in the area of $500 with us. I normally tell people not to buy used 5mt's because you never know w hat they've been through.

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Old 11-19-2008, 10:53 AM   #15
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Dylan is spot on

I know for sure:
1-2 synchro linked
3-4 synchro linked

I think 5-reverse are linked but it may be 5 is separate from reverse

Will the car shift into reverse but not move or not shift into reverse at all? That is a particularly important bit of info to make a deduction on whats broken.

-If it goes into gear but just rev's like its in neutral the gear is stripped
-If it wont go into gear at all, the shift fork is bent or the synchro is shot or jammed.

Jack up the car on stands. Get a small space heater and heat up the trans till its good and warm-hot. Drain the trans fluid and look for the obvious aftermath. Go get the cheapest tranz fluid you can find and refill the trans and run it while up on the stands for a bit to flush it. Drain it again and fill with clean cheep stuff again till its fixed.

If it goes into gear but but the wheels don't turn ( while up on stands ) there are bits or bends in the gear that are meshing or worse. You can try and turn the wheels by hand when in gear with out the car running to force the what ever out but usually that does not work

If you can get it into 1-4 fine ( while up on stands after the flush ) you can drive it to a shop for an opinion. If you have the means I'd pull the trans and take that to where ever you are going to have it fixed. Pulling it yourself will save you a few hundred in labor......

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Old 11-19-2008, 10:54 AM   #16
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3-4 are not linked to reverse or 1-2

5th and reverse are linked by the 5th hub and slider
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Old 11-19-2008, 03:05 PM   #17
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The car goes into 1, 3, 4, 5 just fine and it drives in those gears with NO NOISE whatsoever.

The car goes into REVERSE, but does not engage all the time, just makes a clicking sound, and sometimes will start to grab. I think this means I stripped off many of those teeth.

The car will NOT go into SECOND at all, it is jammed, I assume the teeth are jamming the fork from selecting 2nd gear?

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Old 11-19-2008, 04:51 PM   #18
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The gear teeth and shift forks are not that close so they can bind and even if the fork was bent a bit that would through off the 1st gear shift. Your reverse is gone a few nubs are what it catching most likely. I would have to say no one will ever know exactly why 2nd doesn't go in till you split the trans. Most likely there is debris in the 2nd gear synchro linkage. Flush the trans ( like I had mentioned above ) if you are planning on driving it. I dont see a huge problem in driving it minus 2nd and reverse if you do, for a short time.

Here is a pic of a syncroed manual tranz ( NOT A SUBARU ) to get the idea of the synchro and gear relationship. The shift fork ( gear selector fork ) is the silver/gray bar that touches the synchro. The synchro moves left or right to up or down shift.


go here for a sweet and very simple interactive on how the trans works:


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...3Doff%26sa%3DG
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:34 PM   #19
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I know this might be ridiculous, but can anyone let me know if they think I have a chance of this being covered under warranty?

2005, only 25,500 miles

I have heard stories of dealers giving no resistance to it, and I have heard horror stories from others...

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I know this might be ridiculous, but can anyone let me know if they think I have a chance of this being covered under warranty?
I would take it to the dealership and see what they say. Tell them not to do any work until you approve of it. They should be able to tell you before they even open up the case if they will cover it. Reverse isn't typically a gear that is abused due to modifications. I say give it a shot.
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Old 11-20-2008, 04:20 PM   #22
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How much is one from a junk yard? $300-$500?

The WRX shares the tranny with every other car Subaru makes short the STI and old models. I wouldn't think it'd be terribly hard to grab another. The only thing is the final drive. The front diff will be whatever the tranny came out of so 3.9 to 4.44 gearing. You would need the same rear diff gearing, or open up the tranny and swap in yours to it or swap its gears into your tranny, or however you feel like doing it.
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Old 11-20-2008, 05:37 PM   #23
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haha you can't get these for much less than a grand ANYWHERE

I will try the dealer when I get it home...8 hour drive... :P

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Old 11-20-2008, 06:04 PM   #24
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I think you probably ripped a couple/bunch of reverse teeth off the 2nd driven gear. Maybe even shredded the reverse idler.

Reverse is not a gear you really want to lay power down with.
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hey guys just letting you all know that Subaru called me this morning at 8:30 and told me that they have not even taken the tranny out yet, but they will cover it under warranty!!!


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