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Old 11-20-2008, 10:13 AM   #1
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Default 2008 L.A. Auto Show: 2010 Nissan GT-R Loses Launch Control

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With the Internet bursting with ugly tales of GT-R launch control abuse, broken transaxles and void warranties, a nasty rumor began; that the 2010 Nissan GT-R won't have launch control.

Could it be? Really?

So we asked and asked and asked. We asked three Nissan employees: one from the public relations department, one from engineering and one high-ranking executive. The first two confirmed its removal was being considered seriously, but the decision had not yet been made. Then the high-ranking executive confirmed the bad news.

"It's gone," he said when asked if launch control would return in 2010. "We just don't want to deal with the warranty nightmare anymore. It'll make the 2009 GT-R really special. It'll be the only R35 with launch control." -- Kelly Toepke, News Editor
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:31 AM   #2
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OMG!

Now GT-R owners will have to do a little bit of driving without a computer holding their hand, what ever will they do?
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Old 11-20-2008, 10:34 AM   #3
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just give a freaking manual tranny!
not like I can afford one anyways
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:18 AM   #4
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Thanks, whiners. Can't take personal responsibility, so Nissan has to neuter the car.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:21 AM   #5
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Thanks, whiners. Can't take personal responsibility, so Nissan has to neuter the car.
+1

I beat the thing to hell and it broke. It's faulty!
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:23 AM   #6
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ahh very good........were not going to fix the problem with our product, were just going to remove one of the features that could lead to premature failure of the product.....now if our product fails by this method again, we can claim abuse on our product.....

"this will make the 2009 gtr special" it will make them extinct because all their gearboxes are going to grenade.....

im with boxer inside..........just put a damn 6 spd manual in it!!!!
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:23 AM   #7
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Thanks, whiners. Can't take personal responsibility, so Nissan has to neuter the car.
if it comes with the car, using it should not void your warranty. nissan is lame by not offering launch control instead of beefing up the tranny and man up.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:26 AM   #8
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^^ here here! Nissan's actually complaining people are using their highly advertised feature then refusing to fix their broken-ass product. Nissan sucks.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:32 AM   #9
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what a great idea! i think they should lower the HP and cut the redline to 4500 to ensure there will be no more problems from abuse.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:35 AM   #10
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no more 3.3 seconds to 60
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:40 AM   #11
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Launch Control ain't advertised, and it ain't in the user's manual. It's a hidden feature, and to activate it, you have to disable things that the user's manual tells you not to disable. I don't get why people aren't bright enough to figure out that hey, maybe the manual tells you NOT TO DO THIS means, maybe, "DON'T DO THIS!"

It all boils down to personal responsibility again. People can't man up and accept personal responsibility for abusing their car, and now the rest of us are paying the price.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:41 AM   #12
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I'm sure it can be reprogrammed into the ECU.
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Old 11-20-2008, 11:48 AM   #13
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Launch Control ain't advertised, and it ain't in the user's manual. It's a hidden feature, and to activate it, you have to disable things that the user's manual tells you not to disable. I don't get why people aren't bright enough to figure out that hey, maybe the manual tells you NOT TO DO THIS means, maybe, "DON'T DO THIS!"
i thought the control was mentioned in the user's manual so people knew using it would void the warranty?... it was my impression after reading the threads..

and... define "ain't advertised" for me please - do they really have to put it in the commercial and say it every time it plays for that featuer to be advertised?

the bottom line is, WHETHER ITS A HIDDEN FEATURE OR NOT, NISSAN TOLD THE MAGAZINES ABOUT IT FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS AND ADVERTISEMENT AND WHEN IT CAME BACK AND BIT THEMSELVES IN THE ASS, THEY REFUSED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:02 PM   #14
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Juggernaut,

Don't rely on biased or misinformed people for information. Go straight to the source:
GTR Owner's Manual: http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...Nissan-GTR.pdf
GTR Warranty: http://www.nissanusa.com/pdf/techpub...09_GTR_WIB.pdf
(both are PDFs, about 7 megs)

They don't mention launch control, ever. To activate launch control, you have to de-activate VDC and do a few other steps. The manual describes how to de-activate VDC, but also says to only do that in case you are stuck in snow/mud and need to rock the car free. Any other use is unauthorized and not covered by warranty. They tell you that straight up.

The only time I've ever seen LC mentioned was in some interview as a blurb by some Nissan VP with Jay Leno. They never mention LC in any of their print ads or TV ads that I have seen. AFAIK, the very first mention of LC came from Edmunds: "What you likely haven't heard about is this: launch control. Despite its bold 3.5-second 0-60-mph claim, Nissan has been keeping this little bit of technological wizardry a secret." The Nissan VP interview came months after Edmunds broke that particular bit of news.

Nissan tells you not to do this - why do they need to take responsibility for you doing something that they tell you not to do?

Subaru advertised a 5.4 second 0-60 time for the WRX, and a 4.6 sec 0-60 time for the STi. If you do 7,000 rpm clutch drops and blow up your transmission, do you expect Subaru to warranty it?

Porsche advertises how track ready their 911 GT3 is, and in fact, holds track days for 911 owners. Yet, the warranty manual explicity voids coverage if you participate in Porsche sponsored track days. If you blow up your 911 at a Porsche covered track day, do you expect them to warranty it?

It all comes down to personal responsibility, again. I completely do not understand why people simply can't man up and agree that if they abuse the car and use it in ways not intended, they are responsible for the damage. The bottom line is - pay to play.
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:07 PM   #15
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... my bad for not reading the GT-R manuals. i said what i said only because i think there are owners out there who would like to use (not abuse) the launch control feature. i thought it would have been nice of nissan if they were to program the launch control in someway to protect the car's tranny...
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:14 PM   #16
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Launch Control ain't advertised, and it ain't in the user's manual. It's a hidden feature, and to activate it, you have to disable things that the user's manual tells you not to disable. I don't get why people aren't bright enough to figure out that hey, maybe the manual tells you NOT TO DO THIS means, maybe, "DON'T DO THIS!"

It all boils down to personal responsibility again. People can't man up and accept personal responsibility for abusing their car, and now the rest of us are paying the price.
I think you're just a whiner. Nissan never "advertised" this feature. It doesn't technically "exist". So why, again, do you want a feature that is known to break your transmission and void your warranty?
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:25 PM   #17
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I like to use my STi's features to autocross and perhaps an occasional track day. I am not going to expect Subaru to fund my misadventures out on the tarmac. Yeah, they don't make 300 hp, AWD, DCCD, etc, etc, for daily commuting, but I am cognisant of the fact that track use is inherently abusive to the car. Again, personal responsibility.

If I owned a GTR, I would probably use LC once to see what it's like, and then never use it again, because I don't drag race. But it's good to know that it is there, and who knows - maybe I will want to drag race, or I get into Prosolo. I want all of the features, and I don't want lawyers or whiners telling me not to use it - again, personal responsibility.
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:30 PM   #18
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i thought the control was mentioned in the user's manual so people knew using it would void the warranty?... it was my impression after reading the threads..

and... define "ain't advertised" for me please - do they really have to put it in the commercial and say it every time it plays for that featuer to be advertised?

the bottom line is, WHETHER ITS A HIDDEN FEATURE OR NOT, NISSAN TOLD THE MAGAZINES ABOUT IT FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS AND ADVERTISEMENT AND WHEN IT CAME BACK AND BIT THEMSELVES IN THE ASS, THEY REFUSED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
yeah i bet you were just lined up w your checkbook ready to buy a 2010 GT-R? Am I right?

or are you just another armchair racer who bitches about cars he's probably never going to buy/afford in the first place? Am I right?

Never has a car brought more retardedness/stupid debates than the GT-R on internet car forums lately.

For that the GT-R sucks and i hope it gets cancelled as a model line so the internet losers will have to jump on some other boat.
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Old 11-20-2008, 12:31 PM   #19
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Foxy in 2012!
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Old 11-20-2008, 01:36 PM   #20
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i thought the control was mentioned in the user's manual so people knew using it would void the warranty?... it was my impression after reading the threads..

and... define "ain't advertised" for me please - do they really have to put it in the commercial and say it every time it plays for that featuer to be advertised?

the bottom line is, WHETHER ITS A HIDDEN FEATURE OR NOT, NISSAN TOLD THE MAGAZINES ABOUT IT FOR BRAGGING RIGHTS AND ADVERTISEMENT AND WHEN IT CAME BACK AND BIT THEMSELVES IN THE ASS, THEY REFUSED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.
How is this any different to people with our cars trying to duplicate the published 0-60 times, breaking their transmissions and axles in the process, and then complaining about it?

How is it different to the advertised 0-60 times that gave everyone a hard-on when the WRX first showed up in 2001?

The 0-60 time isn't in the manual, we aren't told about how to perform a clutch dump from 5K rpms either.. We still figured it out.. Call it a hidden feature if you will. Subaru also advertised the 5.4 sec 0-60 time of the WRX back then also, but wouldn't replace broken transmissions either..

If Subaru really wanted to bend us over the same way Nissan is caving in at the moment, they would only send an 4EAT version of the WRX and STi over for us to play with... No more broken first or second gears or broken axles...

It is a shame that people cannot figure out that an AWD car will not... I repeat, will not... take that kind of beating for very long..

The Veyron's can't either, and a new transmission for those costs almost 130K... Why would they release that figure? Perhaps for prospective owners who are thinking they want to go from 0-60 in less than 3 secs every day without repercussions?
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... my bad for not reading the GT-R manuals. i said what i said only because i think there are owners out there who would like to use (not abuse) the launch control feature. i thought it would have been nice of nissan if they were to program the launch control in someway to protect the car's tranny...
I forgot to mention also, that Porsche has the DSG gear box in the 997 C4s now I believe. Yes, they have a launch control setting on it, but just like Nissan, they never advertise it (although the 0-60 times it produces is fair game), or spoke about how to use it in the manual... Hidden feature... I highly doubt that they will cover transmission damage either from its use.. If they would, the feature would be advertised, and instructions as to how to use the feature would be in the manual.

What Nissan did in the first place is no different to what has been going on for eons now. I think the difference here is that people have in their minds some visions of grandeur when it comes to the GTR specifically since they have heard so much about the thing.

Just because someone hands you a loaded gun, does that mean that you should take aim and shoot someone? And if you do kill someone (despite warnings about its use), are you not to blame? Or is it the gun manufacturer that is to blame?

I'm not attacking you here or anything, I'm just a bit tired of people trying to shift the blame here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what will and will not break a vehicle. Despite all the technology out there, we ultimately cannot protect ourselves from our own stupidity.

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Old 11-20-2008, 03:37 PM   #23
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I forgot to mention also, that Porsche has the DSG gear box in the 997 C4s now I believe. Yes, they have a launch control setting on it, but just like Nissan, they never advertise it (although the 0-60 times it produces is fair game), or spoke about how to use it in the manual... Hidden feature... I highly doubt that they will cover transmission damage either from its use.. If they would, the feature would be advertised, and instructions as to how to use the feature would be in the manual.

What Nissan did in the first place is no different to what has been going on for eons now. I think the difference here is that people have in their minds some visions of grandeur when it comes to the GTR specifically since they have heard so much about the thing.

Just because someone hands you a loaded gun, does that mean that you should take aim and shoot someone? And if you do kill someone (despite warnings about its use), are you not to blame? Or is it the gun manufacturer that is to blame?

I'm not attacking you here or anything, I'm just a bit tired of people trying to shift the blame here. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what will and will not break a vehicle. Despite all the technology out there, we ultimately cannot protect ourselves from our own stupidity.
Well said, most people think that the GTR is greater than it actually is if you drive any of the popular stock GT-R's of past (32/33/34) they were nice but not the awe flashing jaw dropper that people think they are. Just like with any car from Japan they are on the limit but well within the capabilities of the average driver.

There was so much hype that the GT-r and the new GTR was the unbeatable invincible monster from japan that nobody could ever come close to. WRONG!! Its just a car just like any other car with similar capabilities. Tires wear out and parts break just like any bling brand car just because its a nissan dont expect them to provide you a kia warranty.
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ahh very good........were not going to fix the problem with our product, were just going to remove one of the features that could lead to premature failure of the product.....now if our product fails by this method again, we can claim abuse on our product.....

"this will make the 2009 gtr special" it will make them extinct because all their gearboxes are going to grenade.....

im with boxer inside..........just put a damn 6 spd manual in it!!!!
are you kidding???

launch any car multiple times and you'll have issues.. we've seen so many sti's have this problem.. evos, you name it..

the car is awesome.. for the price to be able to keep up with a gt2 on the track.
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If I owned a GTR, I would probably use LC once to see what it's like, and then never use it again, because I don't race.
EXACTLY!!! How many times do normal street cars need launch control ZERO TIMES THATS HOW MANY!!!

On a race circuit how many times per race do you need lauch control ZERO TO ONE TIME ONLY!!!!

On a rally stage how many time do you use launch control? One time per stage and its not the soggy bottom crap that comes stock on 99% of cars on the market.

At the drag strip how many times do you use launch control ONCE EVERY TIME YOU RUN.... that can be 4-15 times during a TT day with 15sec of 100% burden on the car each run. Thats abuse like rape 15 times.
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